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Granblue Fantasy Discussion thread 3

Seofon. Even at base. he has been stated to be really fast that even threo/Sarasa struggles to hit him.
Eahta whom Narmaya downscales to might be able to and have done so but Narmaya downscales from him so I doubt it.
It's literally speed vs skill
But Seox has the option of shadow clone who moves just as much as him and Narmaya has butterfly form which might be hard to catch and pin down.
 
Since main story has being announced hopefully we get another amp for the cosmology again or we actually see dad who went to buy milk
 
Funny that heart of the sun rerun is like 2 days before it.

And we know where phoenix went in the ending.
If that's not hinting who else we meet I don't know what is it's goal
 
I guess one thing is certain then, we are definitely not seeing the clone of the omnipotent or gran dad since this is just part 1 btw
We still have up to part 10 ( hopefully not )
 
We might actually see them.

4 chapter is usually long enough for a full island arch
Part 2 is probably because it's gonna be a long info dump about the history of creation and a story about it
Then followed by conclusion just like the King testament arc then followed by Edan Arc/Legion void fight
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Seofon. Even at base. he has been stated to be really fast that even threo/Sarasa struggles to hit him.
Eahta whom Narmaya downscales to might be able to and have done so but Narmaya downscales from him so I doubt it.
It's literally speed vs skill
But Seox has the option of shadow clone who moves just as much as him and Narmaya has butterfly form which might be hard to catch and pin down.
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Guess Narmaya is the most impressive Sky Dweller period
 
i just realized i wrote seofon instead of seox lmao
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ZERO7772 said:
Guess Narmaya is the most impressive Sky Dweller period
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We pretty much have luminary knights like blue Knight who can fight and stalement base siete and generally all luminary knights scales to base eternal even at their base
 
And just realized we should definitely get a new tier for luminary knights
Like them upscaling from the crew after they fought akasha and upscaling from war primals who can easily cut off multiple timelines
 
Luminary knights scaling shouldn't really scale to Akasha.
But they do have some scaling in recent main story because Crimson Knight baragona parried A Skyfall from Otherworld dragon
 
3Pencil said:
Even then
Shouldn't they upscale from Ymir and Thor alius
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Not sure. There are General War Primals and there are specialized war primals.

Like we Know Medusa alone can do certain things. But together with her Gorgon sisters Their capabilities are way above.

Unless we found a direct link to scale them we can't really scale them eitherway

but afaik Black Knight or Apollonia Vaar is already rated 5-A, likely 4-C.

iirc there was an event where Black Knight appeared but that was when She already possessed Blutgang so I doubt it would scale to other Luminary Knights since Blutgang has stated to have made her far stronger than regular Luminary Knights.

Lastly not all Luminary Knights are equal in strength. White Knight and Blue Knight seems to be in a far higher rating
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Not sure. There are General War Primals and there are specialized war primals.

Like we Know Medusa alone can do certain things. But together with her Gorgon sisters Their capabilities are way above.

Unless we found a direct link to scale them we can't really scale them eitherway

but afaik Black Knight or Apollonia Vaar is already rated 5-A, likely 4-C.

iirc there was an event where Black Knight appeared but that was when She already possessed Blutgang so I doubt it would scale to other Luminary Knights since Blutgang has stated to have made her far stronger than regular Luminary Knights.

Lastly not all Luminary Knights are equal in strength. White Knight and Blue Knight seems to be in a far higher rating
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Ymir wasn't really built for combat, at least not shown to fight directly and Thor alius was just an early primal who never experienced the war and Thor did infact almost break a branch but got stopped by grimnir and skuld

You are right about luminary knights not being equal in strength, anyways since we never saw green knight engage in combat we can probably consider her having much awareness same like violet knight who observed a ruined sky realm
 
3Pencil said:
Ymir wasn't really built for combat, at least not shown to fight directly and Thor alius was just an early primal who never experienced the war and Thor did infact almost break a branch but got stopped by grimnir and skuld

You are right about luminary knights not being equal in strength, anyways since we never saw green knight engage in combat we can probably consider her having much awareness same like violet knight who observed a ruined sky realm
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Ymir is built for creating things, and he indeed created a primal beast capable of defeating the Original Thor. That alone makes him special. Surtr seems notable.
We already saw how Europa was capable of actually dealing with all of them alone until they used Branch hax. Which already shows they are not really on their level (Disciples). (Although we can argue this is Europa FLB where she's already stronger than a Primarch with Galilei's Insight hax that stems from miracles/Reality warping)

Violet Knight from the Ruined Sky-realm has the King's eye, which makes him far superior to the one who died in the main timeline.
Green Knight fought mostly in the sidelines as she is more of a secretary
White Knight definitely should be far stronger than Crimson Knight.
The Golden Knight and the Black Knight are equal
With Crimson Knight probably being slightly above them in strength, since it did say Scarlet Knight is known for his strength even among the Luminaries
Blue Knight is the direct scaling for Eternals, but IIRC the eternal event should have happened way later when they are all already 4-A.

6-A is reserved for Tiamat and early primals
5-A is for War primal beast like Corow
4-C is reserved for certain primals as their maximum limit, like Malice scaling from Eternals and Luminary Knights, as Even Black Knight struggled to fully subdue Malice Yggy

Vyrn restricted Akasha hence I'm not sure about letting people fully scale from Akasha's 4-A rating.

What we can use though is Echidna since iirc she took care of even war primal beast and Gilbert being granted authority and power by True King which might make the character at that point 4-A specially with innermost teaching

but that means Zeyen should also be 4-A with innermost teaching. It would make sense though since Innermost teaching let them beat Scarlet Knight who is known for his strength among Knights
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Ymir is built for creating things, and he indeed created a primal beast capable of defeating the Original Thor. That alone makes him special. Surtr seems notable.
We already saw how Europa was capable of actually dealing with all of them alone until they used Branch hax. Which already shows they are not really on their level (Disciples). (Although we can argue this is Europa FLB where she's already stronger than a Primarch with Galilei's Insight hax that stems from miracles/Reality warping)

Violet Knight from the Ruined Sky-realm has the King's eye, which makes him far superior to the one who died in the main timeline.
Green Knight fought mostly in the sidelines as she is more of a secretary
White Knight definitely should be far stronger than Crimson Knight.
The Golden Knight and the Black Knight are equal
With Crimson Knight probably being slightly above them in strength, since it did say Scarlet Knight is known for his strength even among the Luminaries
Blue Knight is the direct scaling for Eternals, but IIRC the eternal event should have happened way later when they are all already 4-A.

6-A is reserved for Tiamat and early primals
5-A is for War primal beast like Corow
4-C is reserved for certain primals as their maximum limit, like Malice scaling from Eternals and Luminary Knights, as Even Black Knight struggled to fully subdue Malice Yggy

Vyrn restricted Akasha hence I'm not sure about letting people fully scale from Akasha's 4-A rating.

What we can use though is Echidna since iirc she took care of even war primal beast and Gilbert being granted authority and power by True King which might make the character at that point 4-A specially with innermost teaching

but that means Zeyen should also be 4-A with innermost teaching. It would make sense though since Innermost teaching let them beat Scarlet Knight who is known for his strength among Knights
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Anyways we should do all this gradually and just wait for recents CRT to get accepted before we actually go deeper into other characters

Zeyen being 4-A seems fine and that would mean the crew excluding danchou, lyria and vryn would have that same 4-A rating

Loki would be far higher into 4-A or probably upscaling from flb Europa since astrals can draw out powers beyonds primal potency
 
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3Pencil said:
Anyways we should do all this gradually and just wait for recents CRT to get accepted before we actually go deeper into other characters

Zeyen being 4-A seems fine and that would mean the crew excluding danchou, lyria and vryn would have that same 4-A rating

Loki would be far higher into 4-A or probably upscaling from flb Europa since astrals can draw out powers beyonds primal potency
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4-A stems from the base Europa. Which Loki could be at
FLB Europa iirc should be on the same level as Shiva, which is low 1-C (Thank you Supernal Plane)
I just haven't made a CRT to update Europa as well.

What we have, though, is that the Otherworld river is at least low 2-C or 2-C since it can erase 2 Branch at the same time.

4-A Rating should be at the innermost teaching arc until the Island of Justice Arc.

White Knight is pretty strong and capable of holding its own against Otherworld River, which makes him low 2-C or 2-C but I'm not sure Loki would be at that level then
But He fought Captain to a stalemate on the Island of Entertainment, so We could move it earlier for Captain.
Loki would get 1-C with Fenrir in his late keys anyway just not done yet. Plan to correct Tierring after Black Knight CRT
 
Ok so uh.

Part 1 is too short.
They did add some things, but nothing very concrete and such. We still have no full idea about Estalucia. It seems to only be done just to setup part 2

Part 2 is hinted to be the 2nd War, and the Astrals are said to be invading again, according to the narrator. Sky-God went to Estalucia to confront Captain, saying all things are in place and it's the deciding point.

Important key notes

Estalucia is the Afterlife (so we are revising Afterlife and Sky-God and likely return it back to 8D granblue)
But Estalucia is separated into multiple heavens. The Entrance is the First Heaven. The Boundary is in the 7th Heaven and is also the Throne, and where Gran's Dad was fist fighting an Omnipotent clone until the Otherworlders took it

So that at least confirms that the Afterlife is Estalucia but at the same Time Estalucia also has multiple heaven that separates it.

There exists something far more ancient than the Otherworld. Phoenix is likely driven by said Godlike being called Ineffable Genesi. It has no form or structure and flows smoothly. Gran's dad called it Fate

This thing hates the Omnipotent for creating a world, and may have likely been one that drove Phoenix to fight and defeat the Omnipotent

The Omnipotent exists in everything and has never disappeared.

The Priestess is indeed Our Aunt.

You cannot die in Estalucia (Duh)

The Estalucia has a caretaker speaker. Rel Estalucia. She knows everything, including Wedges. She even summoned Mugen Simularcru,m but Gran's Dad said it's not even half the power of the real thing and defeated it

First Heaven is the entrance called First Heaven Vilon

Second Heaven Raqia is where Personal spaces and realms are created for each soul.

From the picture, 7th Heaven is the last Heaven before you reach what looks like a Mausoleum.

You cannot interfere with Sky-realm or reality anymore once you've reached Estalucia it seems

Concept of Time doesn't Exist in Estalucia

Lastly, the 2nd War is coming. Astrals are invading again, according to the narrator, and the Sky-God personally visited Captain to hasten things up. Both are likely waging War to see which of the 2 Twins will ascend as the Omnipotent using Lyria and Vyrn. The Otherworld is also in the move despite being destroyed and defeated already according to Ferry
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Ok so uh.

Part 1 is too short.
They did add some things, but nothing very concrete and such. We still have no full idea about Estalucia. It seems to only be done just to setup part 2

Part 2 is hinted to be the 2nd War, and the Astrals are said to be invading again, according to the narrator. Sky-God went to Estalucia to confront Captain, saying all things are in place and it's the deciding point.

Important key notes

Estalucia is the Afterlife (so we are revising Afterlife and Sky-God and likely return it back to 8D granblue)
But Estalucia is separated into multiple heavens. The Entrance is the First Heaven. The Boundary is in the 7th Heaven and is also the Throne, and where Gran's Dad was fist fighting an Omnipotent clone until the Otherworlders took it

So that at least confirms that the Afterlife is Estalucia but at the same Time Estalucia also has multiple heaven that separates it.

There exists something far more ancient than the Otherworld. Phoenix is likely driven by said Godlike being called Ineffable Genesi. It has no form or structure and flows smoothly. Gran's dad called it Fate

This thing hates the Omnipotent for creating a world, and may have likely been one that drove Phoenix to fight and defeat the Omnipotent

The Omnipotent exists in everything and has never disappeared.

The Priestess is indeed Our Aunt.

You cannot die in Estalucia (Duh)

The Estalucia has a caretaker speaker. Rel Estalucia. She knows everything, including Wedges. She even summoned Mugen Simularcru,m but Gran's Dad said it's not even half the power of the real thing and defeated it

First Heaven is the entrance called First Heaven Vilon

Second Heaven Raqia is where Personal spaces and realms are created for each soul.

From the picture, 7th Heaven is the last Heaven before you reach what looks like a Mausoleum.

You cannot interfere with Sky-realm or reality anymore once you've reached Estalucia it seems

Concept of Time doesn't Exist in Estalucia

Lastly, the 2nd War is coming. Astrals are invading again, according to the narrator, and the Sky-God personally visited Captain to hasten things up. Both are likely waging War to see which of the 2 Twins will ascend as the Omnipotent using Lyria and Vyrn. The Otherworld is also in the move despite being destroyed and defeated already according to Ferry
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Done with my own reading

Oh boi, it's short

But yeah at least we won't have to wait for years for the next chapters
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Ok so uh.

Part 1 is too short.
They did add some things, but nothing very concrete and such. We still have no full idea about Estalucia. It seems to only be done just to setup part 2

Part 2 is hinted to be the 2nd War, and the Astrals are said to be invading again, according to the narrator. Sky-God went to Estalucia to confront Captain, saying all things are in place and it's the deciding point.

Important key notes

Estalucia is the Afterlife (so we are revising Afterlife and Sky-God and likely return it back to 8D granblue)
But Estalucia is separated into multiple heavens. The Entrance is the First Heaven. The Boundary is in the 7th Heaven and is also the Throne, and where Gran's Dad was fist fighting an Omnipotent clone until the Otherworlders took it

So that at least confirms that the Afterlife is Estalucia but at the same Time Estalucia also has multiple heaven that separates it.

There exists something far more ancient than the Otherworld. Phoenix is likely driven by said Godlike being called Ineffable Genesi. It has no form or structure and flows smoothly. Gran's dad called it Fate

This thing hates the Omnipotent for creating a world, and may have likely been one that drove Phoenix to fight and defeat the Omnipotent

The Omnipotent exists in everything and has never disappeared.

The Priestess is indeed Our Aunt.

You cannot die in Estalucia (Duh)

The Estalucia has a caretaker speaker. Rel Estalucia. She knows everything, including Wedges. She even summoned Mugen Simularcru,m but Gran's Dad said it's not even half the power of the real thing and defeated it

First Heaven is the entrance called First Heaven Vilon

Second Heaven Raqia is where Personal spaces and realms are created for each soul.

From the picture, 7th Heaven is the last Heaven before you reach what looks like a Mausoleum.

You cannot interfere with Sky-realm or reality anymore once you've reached Estalucia it seems

Concept of Time doesn't Exist in Estalucia

Lastly, the 2nd War is coming. Astrals are invading again, according to the narrator, and the Sky-God personally visited Captain to hasten things up. Both are likely waging War to see which of the 2 Twins will ascend as the Omnipotent using Lyria and Vyrn. The Otherworld is also in the move despite being destroyed and defeated already according to Ferry
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We should wait before revising to 8D Cosmo since boundary being 9D doesn't seem far fetched considering it's the throne of the clone
 
3Pencil said:
We should wait before revising to 8D Cosmo since boundary being 9D doesn't seem far fetched considering it's the throne of the clone
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Estalucia afaik would still be 9D or 10D
Since the journal entry for Mindscape explained that Mindscape is like a horizontal axis while layers are vertical.
 
Ok so Concepts are made in Heaven



Seeing that this confirms Boundary is at the peak of Estalucia. It would technically make everyone who can tap into Omnipotent's power be 9D

Currently we accept that Afterlife is 8D (and wrongly assume Sky-God handled it). Which is still the Case since the Mindscape is still something that exist horizontally

That means it being 8D is indeed correct
boundary and Estalucia being 9D as a whole is also correct but
drawing from the Boundary should be 9D now rather than just 8D


error on the 4th pic
 
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TheGreatJedi13 said:
Ok so Concepts are made in Heaven



Seeing that this confirms Boundary is at the peak of Estalucia. It would technically make everyone who can tap into Omnipotent's power be 9D

Currently we accept that Afterlife is 8D (and wrongly assume Sky-God handled it). Which is still the Case since the Mindscape is still something that exist horizontally

That means it being 8D is indeed correct
boundary and Estalucia being 9D as a whole is also correct but
drawing from the Boundary should be 9D now rather than just 8D


error on the 4th pic
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I wanted to touch on this topic last week but forgot

Boundary is 9D so drawing powers would be 9D as you said since altho not directly present in the boundary you are still able to touch this dimension
 
Furthermore seeing that Concepts and principles are basically something God's power can just create and forget easily
boundary powers are then Superior to concepts in Granblue.

and must be why it can ignore and fight wedges and such as well and somewhat ignore their role as wedge/concept
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Ok so Concepts are made in Heaven



Seeing that this confirms Boundary is at the peak of Estalucia. It would technically make everyone who can tap into Omnipotent's power be 9D

Currently we accept that Afterlife is 8D (and wrongly assume Sky-God handled it). Which is still the Case since the Mindscape is still something that exist horizontally

That means it being 8D is indeed correct
boundary and Estalucia being 9D as a whole is also correct but
drawing from the Boundary should be 9D now rather than just 8D


error on the 4th pic
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Afterlife being 8D is correct since technically not all estalucia are connected to the boundary
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Furthermore seeing that Concepts and principles are basically something God's power can just create and forget easily
boundary powers are then Superior to concepts in Granblue.

and must be why it can ignore and fight wedges and such as well and somewhat ignore their role as wedge/concept
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Pretty much and let's not forget the role of afterlife and otherworld being swapped because of the misconception of sky dwellers
Which would directly imply sky dwellers can affect estalucia via beliefs and their possible 8D resistance would be straight up 8D
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Furthermore seeing that Concepts and principles are basically something God's power can just create and forget easily
boundary powers are then Superior to concepts in Granblue.

and must be why it can ignore and fight wedges and such as well and somewhat ignore their role as wedge/concept
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The omnipotent clone would be 10D since MC needed the power of the omnipotent to defeat phoniex since phoniex would basically resist anything in creation and those scaling to otherworldy dragon would get H1C rating
 
3Pencil said:
Pretty much and let's not forget the role of afterlife and otherworld being swapped because of the misconception of sky dwellers
Which would directly imply sky dwellers can affect estalucia via beliefs and their possible 8D resistance would be straight up 8D
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It did say that Willpower and belief do let people do certain things based on how they are created. which is also what allowed the Otherworld to corrupt them as well, by using their lack of will to corrupt them.

Since the willpower resists the Universe as it states. That means they can resist thing up to 8D level given enough willpower so I think we should just list it as Up to 8D rather than a flat 8D
 
And it seems like instead of just taking powers from the boundary, the otherworlders actually took the omnipotent clone and corrupted him

And it kinda surprises me why rel doesn't seem that troubled, lol sounds like the omnipotent being killed might be false information RN
 
Sky-realm - 4D
Supernal Realm - 5D
Astral Realm - 6D
Otherworld default (Legion Void / Otherworldly River) - 7D
Orologia simulated reality in his/her personality / Afterlife / Mindscapes - 8D
Orologia tapping into the Boundary 9D & Boundary (7th Heaven) - 9D
Collective Unconscious (Including Otherworldly Dragon that Otherworld has reached) / Omnipotent Clone / Phoenix & Sun Realm - 10D
11D - Ancient Deity Argo
1-A = Observers/Players
3Pencil said:
And it seems like instead of just taking powers from the boundary, the otherworlders actually took the omnipotent clone and corrupted him

And it kinda surprises me why rel doesn't seem that troubled, lol sounds like the omnipotent being killed might be false information RN
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Nah, they confirmed Omnipotent clone die,d but Rel wasn't troubled because the Omnipotent exists in everyone ,anyway and it would simply reascend again
And now that Lyria and Vyrn are ready it is pretty much possible to achieve. So he really doesn't really die just losing Forms
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Sky-realm - 4D
Supernal Realm - 5D
Astral Realm - 6D
Otherworld default (Legion Void / Otherworldly River) - 7D
Orologia simulated reality in his/her personality / Afterlife / Mindscapes - 8D
Orologia tapping into the Boundary 9D & Boundary (7th Heaven) - 9D
Collective Unconscious (Including Otherworldly Dragon that Otherworld has reached) / Omnipotent Clone / Phoenix & Sun Realm - 10D
11D - Ancient Deity Argo
1-A = Observers/Players
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Gallant 10D
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Nah, they confirmed Omnipotent clone die,d but Rel wasn't troubled because the Omnipotent exists in everyone ,anyway and it would simply reascend again
And now that Lyria and Vyrn are ready it is pretty much possible to achieve. So he really doesn't really die just losing Forms
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He is one with reality after all so anything works
And we should either give collective unconscious a jump in tier or let it be for now since all statement points to it being stronger than the omnipotent but lacks any form to interact with
 
3Pencil said:
And we should either give collective unconscious a jump in tier or let it be for now since all statement points to it being stronger than the omnipotent but lacks any form to interact with
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Let it be since afaik Omnipotent can indeed resist it, but Gallant is somewhat worried about it.
 
Personally, I believe we shouldn't make a CRT yet.
There are so many unanswered things. It could change very easily
specially collective unconscious since Gallant believes it too is working under a bigger power
 
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