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(GRACE) Post-Udon Luffy vs King
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pretty cool scenario
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Thanks. Honestly was kinda surprised this didn't happen since everyone looked really concerned when King stomped Sanji
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Future Sight and dura neg save Luffy
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And his RE.
Luffy gets a second chance if King ends up killing Luffy, and King has no counter to G5.
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Different Luffy key, not sure we would assume Luffy will activate Gear 5 outside of that key.
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King can go FTE with Flames off to blitz Luffy's Kenbun, and his durability with Zoan and flames on is absurd. IMO he can outlast Luffy.
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Luffy is at a disadvantage in everything but Haki so his only option would be accelerated development but King isn't a good match up for Luffy to progress. Voting King.
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King FRA
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I'm going with King.
With flames on Zoan King is more durable than Zoan Kaido who tanked a shit ton of attacks from G4 Luffy with only some blood from the mouth and being knocked down once, so King should definitely be able to tank Luffy's G4 attacks.
Also, King has intelligence, speed once the flames come off, ranged attacks, and demolishes Luffy once Luffy loses G4.
With flames on Zoan King is more durable than Zoan Kaido who tanked a shit ton of attacks from G4 Luffy with only some blood from the mouth and being knocked down once, so King should definitely be able to tank Luffy's G4 attacks.
Also, King has intelligence, speed once the flames come off, ranged attacks, and demolishes Luffy once Luffy loses G4.
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Who do you think wins?
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It took Zoro a while to realize it, plus would Luffy survive long enough?
The dura neg didn't work on Kaido.
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Yes tf it did
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Ok allow me to reword that: It did some minor damage and drew a bit of blood from him when G4 used it and when G3 used it he bruised base Kaido.
Keep in mind Flame on Zoan King is tougher than Dragon Kaido though
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It hurt him to the point where he thought he was at the level of Whitebeard
Zoan King has a harder exterior than Dragon Kaidou. Not a better interior or better stamina
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Still only left a small bruise, and even so King has the durability to tank that level of power
Even WITHOUT flames, he took multiple Haoshoku Infused blows from Zoro and kept going.
King's stamina is comparable to Zoro's.
Besides, we shouldn't turn Ryou into a NLF. There's a reason the scabbards couldn't one shot Kaido or even Jack (and Jack's WAY below King).
Also, King is faster than Post Udon Luffy in Zoan or with flames off IIRC, and his flames can keep Luffy at a distance.
And his Pride Stake can both badly hurt and blitz Luffy while his explosions might kill Luffy if he's not careful or fast enough since they nearly killed Zoro.
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Yes luffy would survive long enough, he is stronger, more skilled and is used to dealing with foes faster than him
He would mid-high diff king
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Kaidou has regen
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If King fights in full zoan keeping his distance by flying and using flame bullets and imperial deep pride stake he has a good chance of winning.
If Luffy uses Gear 4th and King outlasts his time limit, potentially in a similar way Doflamingo attempted (only King wouldn't be at the major speed advantage Doffy had) then I could see him winning. Luffy without access to Buso would be at a pretty extreme disadvantage.
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So does King.
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2 Haoshoku Blows is still superior to any hit Luffy could dish out.
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Yes, and the first one didn't do too much damage besides some blood and cutting off his mask.
Even though the 2nd one did slash a lot of his body, he was still standing fine and was suffering more from exhaustion from the fight than damage from Haoshoku.
And Zoro even with Haoshoku didn't think he could damage Flame-On King.
Doesn't mean King doesn't have high enough stamina to tank hits from G4 Luffy, assuming Luffy even touches him.
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Doesn't G4 Luffy last for about 5 minutes or something close to that? King has more than enough Stamina to handle until Luffy runs out.
King can still move freely through the air to make it even more difficult for Luffy to hit him and cause significant damage.
King can still move freely through the air to make it even more difficult for Luffy to hit him and cause significant damage.
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Well, G4 Luffy in the manga lasted a few pages at most?
Not with the same proficiency as King. In the scan I sent, Luffy finds himself impressed with this ability of King.
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He fought Doflamingo for 20 minutes. This is an injured and tired Luffy with much less Haki than current
Luffy is not impressed with the ability of king, he's noting that he can't get to the sky because of the plethora of Beast Pirates who can fly
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Scan? And that's not very long btw.
Why would mentioning this help Luffy's situation? If he couldn't reach the sky for the Beast Pirates, imagine against King who is superior in everything to the rest?
Do we assume that Post-Udon Luffy and Post-Enma Zoro are comparable? King was completely ineffated by Zoro's Conqueror Haki, in addition to Enma.
King also has a good skill advantage. G4 Luffy is very much about power punches, King can counter this as he has countered even 360° attacks from Zoro and his projectiles.
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785, in the middle of their fight
Most of the fights on the roof were for that long
Cause he was in base, being told to save his energy for Kaidou, and King was there blocking the sky as well while he's in the mouth of Queen
Luffy w/ Hao fought Hybrid Kaidou. He's not comparable, he's superior to this Zoro.Do we assume that Post-Udon Luffy and Post-Enma Zoro are comparable? King was completely ineffated by Zoro's Conqueror Haki, in addition to Enma.
Luffy is more skilled than Zoro. This is nothing. Zoro is about power swings with this logic, and that wasn't a 360º attack, it was a straight line.King also has a good skill advantage. G4 Luffy is very much about power punches, King can counter this as he has countered even 360° attacks from Zoro and his projectiles.
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It's a wincon for King, I'd rather wait before voting tho
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Good evening my fellow gentlemen and my fair ladies, I have come to express my opinion about this discussion.
I think that Luffy can easily beat King, as King may have incredible durability, above that of Kaidou and the rather rotund dame that is claimed to be equal to him in terms of durability and strength, but it is clear that he does not have organs as durable as his outer body. Thus I imagine that Luffy will use Advanced Armament haki and try to explode his innards, and I doubt King has a counter to this. I would also like to mention that Luffy's enhanced Future Sight ability, and his movement reading abilities, would help him easily dodge or block any attack from King, even if he has his flame off, as he was able to easily start dodging and blocking multiple attacks from Kaidou, who is arguably as fast as King, if not faster. Though a good amount of the participants in this discussion attempted to explain their thoughts on why King beats Luffy, I simply seriously doubt he actually can, until he can prove his insides are as tough as his outsides, which is nigh impossible after we've seen the navy admiral Aramaki stab his organs easily without advanced haki. In conclusion, I am voting Luffy, for my very own reasoning. Farewell, participants of the thread.
I think that Luffy can easily beat King, as King may have incredible durability, above that of Kaidou and the rather rotund dame that is claimed to be equal to him in terms of durability and strength, but it is clear that he does not have organs as durable as his outer body. Thus I imagine that Luffy will use Advanced Armament haki and try to explode his innards, and I doubt King has a counter to this. I would also like to mention that Luffy's enhanced Future Sight ability, and his movement reading abilities, would help him easily dodge or block any attack from King, even if he has his flame off, as he was able to easily start dodging and blocking multiple attacks from Kaidou, who is arguably as fast as King, if not faster. Though a good amount of the participants in this discussion attempted to explain their thoughts on why King beats Luffy, I simply seriously doubt he actually can, until he can prove his insides are as tough as his outsides, which is nigh impossible after we've seen the navy admiral Aramaki stab his organs easily without advanced haki. In conclusion, I am voting Luffy, for my very own reasoning. Farewell, participants of the thread.
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King can keep his distance freely in the air and spam Danmaku by realizing the nature of Luffy's Advanced Haki. The maximum amount of time Luffy can maintain G4 is 20 minutes, and even Doflamingo who is far less mobile than King could hold him off and avoid several of his attacks.
Also, something that is being overlooked is that G4 Luffy's strikes are primarily focused on the power of his blows, so Luffy in-character would not use dura neg as his first attack but rather use the advantages that G4 itself brings him.
King also has good intelligence and speed feats, hitting Sanji and Zoro and abusing his unpredictability to surprise them, and both also being dura neg and Kenbunshoku Haki users.
If it's not already clear, I vote for King.
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20 minutes isn't his maximum. If anything that's his exhausted minimum since he fought for much longer
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I blame Oda and the narrative's bad showings of time passage for the confusion on G4's timespan.
Still rooting for King tho FRA
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I feel the gear 4th timelimit has been shorter in Wano than the 20 minutes in Dresrosa.
Maybe I'm wrong or maybe it is and the cause of that is the usage of Ryuo and/or Hao infusion in conjunction.
Maybe I'm wrong or maybe it is and the cause of that is the usage of Ryuo and/or Hao infusion in conjunction.
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