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(GRACE) Homelander vs. Deku: A True Hero

Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
Deku is the real American hero here (even though he’s not American)
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He’s American in spirit

anyways analytical prediction that worked on Mirio who’s far faster and blitzed other members of his class after like 3 seconds of study time means Homelander will have a hard time hitting deku

but also because 8% is the same tier you can’t restrict it
 
Therefir said:
When has Mineta ever blinded anyone or suffocated someone with his Quirk? Please refrain to canon showings.

Either way, Mineta's Quirk best showing is restraining someone with Unknown lifting strength, and there's no reason for us to believe that his spheres could restraint someone with Class 25 and up to Class K in lifting strength.

This is a stomp, Mineta can't do shit.
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What I said
 
Basically the story of this thread

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Solider-Boy can survive his own radiation based heat blasts and Homelander's eyes are a direct upgrades from Solider-boy's powers. Deku is not surviving direct contact from Homelander's eye-beams which can burn people like Solider-Boy.



Also speaking of Solider-Boy, Homelander can tango with the guy who's specifically been trained to kill, not subdue meaning his method of attacking would be much more aggressive, in turn making Solider-Boy's method of combat much more lethal than Deku's amongst Solider-Boy having vastly more experience than Deku or even All-Might.



People mistake Comic-Book Homelander for the Amazon series Homelander. Homelander not being able to fight in the comics means jack shit since The Amazon series doesn't follow the comics, and in the TV series Homelander is shown holding his own against Solider-Boy and Butcher with Solider-Boy having decades of experience on his side.



Unlike the Comic Homelander this one has experience when it comes to fighting against those more skilled than himself with killing intent in a 3 vs 1 for awhile before he retreated, but still shares the same amount of brutality and violence as his comic counter-part.
 
LordGinSama said:
Solider-Boy can survive his own radiation based heat blasts and Homelander's eyes are a direct upgrades from Solider-boy's powers. Deku is not surviving direct contact from Homelander's eye-beams which can burn people like Solider-Boy.
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According to different sources Plasma seems to range from mostly 28000 C to 300 Million C

Thats certainly a heat difference

All Might and Deku both scale to OFA protecting them from outright punching it

Nuclear means Jack shit for tempature if we don’t have one because Nuclear explosions like Hiroshima’s were only 3000 to 4000 C
LordGinSama said:
Also speaking of Solider-Boy, Homelander can tango with the guy who's specifically been trained to kill, not subdue meaning his method of attacking would be much more aggressive, in turn making Solider-Boy's method of combat much more lethal than Deku's amongst Solider-Boy having vastly more experience than Deku or even All-Might.
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How so?
Soldier boy has been around since 1919 but he was kept in a chamber for a good amount of that time.
Also lethality in fighting style doesn’t matter much here, multiple headshots is still going to hurt no matter how lethal your opponents style is
LordGinSama said:
People mistake Comic-Book Homelander for the Amazon series Homelander. Homelander not being able to fight in the comics means jack shit since The Amazon series doesn't follow the comics, and in the TV series Homelander is shown holding his own against Solider-Boy and Butcher with Solider-Boy having decades of experience on his side.
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Again, he was kept in a chamber for a good amount of that time, so cut that decades down a bit
(And about All Might, All Might is compareable to AFO who has a centuries worth of training and combat experience, not saying more since that’s not the threads point but)
Greatsage13th said:
It sliced through an aeroplane like a hot knife through butter scotch.
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that only required 695 C iirc
 
LordGinSama said:
Solider-Boy can survive his own radiation based heat blasts and Homelander's eyes are a direct upgrades from Solider-boy's powers. Deku is not surviving direct contact from Homelander's eye-beams which can burn people like Solider-Boy.
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Soldier Boy didn't have the Radiation Blast during his tenure, no? How exactly would Vought design Homelander's eyes to be superior to a chest blast they didn't know about?

LordGinSama said:
Homelander can tango with the guy who's specifically been trained to kill, not subdue meaning his method of attacking would be much more aggressive
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While it's true that military training is meant to kill compared to MHA hero training that is meant to subdue (for the most part)...
Homelander squaring with someone using mainly his strength doesn't really mean he scales to Soldier Boy's military experience and training, especially since their fight was closer to brawl. It just means he can contend with someone with that level of skill while being stronger than them.

Both Homelander and Soldier Boy had no experiences fighting someone comparable to them until after they met and fought. Prior to that, they just bullied the heroes in their own team (and Soldier Boy got jumped and lost to his own team, and again by MM in Season 3).

LordGinSama said:
vastly more experience than Deku or even All-Might.
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Maybe more experience than JT arc Deku fighting in war zones as a nigh-invulnerable superhero. Which I don't believe is a fair comparison.
Soldier Boy's "experiences" is also highly questionable, according to The Legend. He got jacked with Compound V but was mostly used as a propaganda figure.

Meanwhile All Might has been fighting superpowered villains for decades, and eventually ended the reign of a villain king that reigned for over a hundred years. He held One For All for 40 years, likely being active as a hero for at least 30 years.
By the Joint Training arc, Deku has experienced fighting villains 6 times: USJ Incident, Hosu Incident, Forest Camp Incident, Camino Raid, Overhaul Raid, and Gentle's Infiltration Attempt. All within the span of some months.

Soldier Boy was active from the 1940's until 1980's.

SB might have a longer tenure than them, but qualitatively, their experiences are incomparable.
 
Mapl3Sy4up said:
According to different sources Plasma seems to range from mostly 28000 C to 300 Million C

Thats certainly a heat difference

All Might and Deku both scale to OFA protecting them from outright punching it

Nuclear means Jack shit for tempature if we don’t have one because Nuclear explosions like Hiroshima’s were only 3000 to 4000 C

How so?
Soldier boy has been around since 1919 but he was kept in a chamber for a good amount of that time.
Also lethality in fighting style doesn’t matter much here, multiple headshots is still going to hurt no matter how lethal your opponents style is

Again, he was kept in a chamber for a good amount of that time, so cut that decades down a bit
(And about All Might, All Might is compareable to AFO who has a centuries worth of training and combat experience, not saying more since that’s not the threads point but)

that only required 695 C iirc
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I don’t even know if the things in Vigilantes were supposed to be plasma, but they definitely weren’t high energy density. Probably about a 10,000+ K.
On the other hand, most modern nuclear bombs use nuclear fusion, which needs about 4 million K to occur.

Obviously lethality in fighting style matters here. Sure if it was a massive difference Deku could afford to hold back but it isn’t so.

Metalballrun said:
Soldier Boy didn't have the Radiation Blast during his tenure, no? How exactly would Vought design Homelander's eyes to be superior to a chest blast they didn't know about?


While it's true that military training is meant to kill compared to MHA hero training that is meant to subdue (for the most part)...
Homelander squaring with someone using mainly his strength doesn't really mean he scales to Soldier Boy's military experience and training, especially since their fight was closer to brawl. It just means he can contend with someone with that level of skill while being stronger than them.

Both Homelander and Soldier Boy had no experiences fighting someone comparable to them until after they met and fought. Prior to that, they just bullied the heroes in their own team (and Soldier Boy got jumped and lost to his own team, and again by MM in Season 3).


Maybe more experience than JT arc Deku fighting in war zones as a nigh-invulnerable superhero. Which I don't believe is a fair comparison.
Soldier Boy's "experiences" is also highly questionable, according to The Legend. He got jacked with Compound V but was mostly used as a propaganda figure.

Meanwhile All Might has been fighting superpowered villains for decades, and eventually ended the reign of a villain king that reigned for over a hundred years. He held One For All for 40 years, likely being active as a hero for at least 30 years.
By the Joint Training arc, Deku has experienced fighting villains 6 times: USJ Incident, Hosu Incident, Forest Camp Incident, Camino Raid, Overhaul Raid, and Gentle's Infiltration Attempt. All within the span of some months.

Soldier Boy was active from the 1940's until 1980's.

SB might have a longer tenure than them, but qualitatively, their experiences are incomparable.
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Yeah obviously it isn’t directly superior but Soldier Boy never seems to be that hurt by being at the epicentre of most of his blasts and he’s been hurt by heat vision + Homelander’s heat resistance would upscale from Soldier Boy’s and he’s been hurt by them as well.

Wdym their fight was closer to a brawl? There was clearly skill going on there, nice dodges, blocks, feints, etc.

I think it’s more worthwhile to consider Butcher for skill tbh. Dude was a vet who got contacted to join a special ops team and I’d actually say Homelander was shown to be more skilled than him, just less… savvy ig.
 
Tago238 said:
On the other hand, most modern nuclear bombs use nuclear fusion, which needs about 4 million K to occur.
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I haven't seen The Boys but can you send any scans stating Soldier Boy's blast is the result of nuclear fusion cuz his page only state that they are "nuclear infused energy blast"
 
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