Gon Freecss vs Naruto Uzumaki

[SuperKamiGuru]

What? No. That'd mean every character in every anime that has life force as their power systems has an aura, which they don't. How if life force related to aura?

It does, not all anime, some use magic, and others use superpowers or science. But everything that uses life force as a source, whether it form the whole or but half of the picture, uses aura.

 

[Razor]

It does, not all anime, some use magic, and others use superpowers or science. But everything that uses life force as a source, whether it form the whole or but half of the picture, uses aura.

What? How does aura relate to life force energy? Aura is literally just surrounding your body with energy, what do you mean

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

It does, not all anime, some use magic, and others use superpowers or science. But everything that uses life force as a source, whether it form the whole or but half of the picture, uses aura.

although different authors ideas about aura are very different and thus these system don't interact with each other in a complimentary way, cause they're ultimately not the same thing

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

What? How does aura relate to life force energy? Aura is literally just surrounding your body with energy, what do you mean

Fine, what is your definition of aura?

 

[Razor]

Fine, what is your definition of aura?

Aura

The ability to have energy envelop the user. It can be used (consciously or subconsciously) for various purposes (such as intimidation). This covers supernatural abilities only, natural effects fall under Social Influencing. Explosive – When activated, this type of aura creates a powerful shock...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

And what is your definition of Chakra?

 

[Razor]

And what is your definition of Chakra?

What do you mean my definition of chakra? theres no definitions here, chakra has canon traits

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

Then by canon what is your definition.

 

[Razor]

Then by canon what is your definition.

Idk why ur asking me this, I dont have my own definition so heres a copy and paste from the wiki: On Earth, humans didn't have chakra until Hamura and Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki were born with it,[1] which was a result of their mother Kaguya eating their planet's chakra fruit from the God Tree. Hagoromo spread chakra to others through a practice called ninshū, intending to create peace by using the chakra to connect people's spiritual energy so that they would understand one another without even talking. However, the people did not use chakra in the way Hagoromo hoped, instead using it to connect their inner spiritual and physical energies. They kneaded their inner chakra to amplify and weaponise it, creating what is now known as ninjutsu.[2]

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

That's an origin not a definition.

Idk why ur asking me this, I dont have my own definition so heres a copy and paste from the wiki: On Earth, humans didn't have chakra until Hamura and Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki were born with it,[1] which was a result of their mother Kaguya eating their planet's chakra fruit from the God Tree. Hagoromo spread chakra to others through a practice called ninshū, intending to create peace by using the chakra to connect people's spiritual energy so that they would understand one another without even talking. However, the people did not use chakra in the way Hagoromo hoped, instead using it to connect their inner spiritual and physical energies. They kneaded their inner chakra to amplify and weaponise it, creating what is now known as ninjutsu.[2]

Chakra is a form of life force or aura that the characters are able to manipulate and perform jutsu with.
In order for Orochimaru to do anything inhuman, he needs chakra, or are you implying that there is a second power system in Naruto?

 

[Razor]

That's an origin not a definition.

Chakra is a form of life force or aura that the characters are able to manipulate and perform jutsu with.
In order for Orochimaru to do anything inhuman, he needs chakra, or are you implying that there is a second power system in Naruto?

Where did you get that chakra is always an aura? cause it isn't. What how is that even remotely close to being relevant dude, When did I ever say anything even close to having the slight implication of a second power system in naruto. Even if we say orochimaru released chakra, why does it matter? He released his aura and it scared sasuke. not because he felt chakra but because thats the effect of his aura

 

[Nierre]

Sasuke clearly sensed Orochimaru's bloodthirsty aura, and as a response he contemplated suicide.

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

If he released aura to scare sasuke that would mean that he would have had to release chakra. By your arguement, that would mean that there is a second power system in Naruto, which there isn't, everything relates to chakra.

 

[Nierre]

When was it stated that any aura was "released".

 

[Razor]

If he released aura to scare sasuke that would mean that he would have had to release chakra. By your arguement, that would mean that there is a second power system in Naruto, which there isn't, everything relates to chakra.

So what if he released chakra?

 

[Nierre]

This literally doesn't matter. Whether his aura is chakra or not doesn't matter. This is derailment.

Sasuke resisted the urge to kill himself from Orochimaru's aura. That's resistance.

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

So what if he released chakra?

If it's chakra, then the sasuke sensing it and being afraid argument stands. Not fear manipulation, a natural response to overwhelming chakra output.

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

So what if he released chakra?

Also I didn't bring this up. You did.

 

[Razor]

If it's chakra, then the sasuke sensing it and being afraid argument stands. Not fear manipulation, a natural response to overwhelming chakra output.

The fear manip is literally the byproduct of the aura. Sasuke didn't sense it and then get scared cause it was too much, he would've been scared regardless

 

[Nierre]

Stop derailing, it doesn't matter. If you have a problem with it, go make a CRT.

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

Stop derailing, it doesn't matter. If you have a problem with it, go make a CRT.

Someone did

https://vsbattles.com/threads/removing-fear-manipulation-from-the-narutoverse.118476/

 

[Razor]

Someone did

https://vsbattles.com/threads/removing-fear-manipulation-from-the-narutoverse.118476/

and it didn't get accepted

 

[Nierre]

Actually it was closed by the OP cause he wanted to make an updated version. Whether he did or not, I've got no clue. But it seems to have been accepted by the general consensus.

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

There are a ton of alternative explanations as to why sasuke was scared, we cant just accept fear manipulation as sole reason and praise it as fact. Therefore, both Naruto and Sasuke have fear manipulation resistance, They're just brave kids. Unless there is some other incident I don't know of. Otherwise, Ren crushes.

 

[SuperKamiGuru]

There are a ton of alternative explanations as to why sasuke was scared, we cant just accept fear manipulation as sole reason and praise it as fact. Therefore, both Naruto and Sasuke have fear manipulation resistance, They're just brave kids. Unless there is some other incident I don't know of. Otherwise, Ren crushes.

correction *don't have fear manipulation resistance.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Gon wins but some of you are overestimating what ren can do in this fight

 

[Razor]

There are a ton of alternative explanations as to why sasuke was scared, we cant just accept fear manipulation as sole reason and praise it as fact. Therefore, both Naruto and Sasuke have fear manipulation resistance, They're just brave kids. Unless there is some other incident I don't know of. Otherwise, Ren crushes.

They do unless you make a CRT