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Orochimaru's statement that "they all perceive the chakra even though they aren't sensory types" literally implies that sensing chakra isn't normal unless your a sensory type, he's not claiming anyone can do it
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Gon Freecss vs Naruto Uzumaki
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But they did it. They sensed chakra showing that its possible, and their were numerous case in which non-sensory types could feel big changes in chakra.
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Yeah, but its not normal and its certainly not something anybody in the naruto verse can do. So why should we assume kid sasuke can do the same?
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Why is kakashi being able to detect chakra being brought up here? Were talking about sasuke
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Just trying to point out that anyone can do it, why not Sasuke
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Its not anyone.. Kakashi is a prodigy and a genius, He's a very high tier jonin too, arguably kage level. and not just strength either, In battle smarts as well. Its widely known that kakashi is smart and all that. Why do we have to assume that sasuke can do it just because kakashi can?
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And I know sasuke is a prodigy as well but kakashi has way more experience than him. But even if sasuke is just better at him at anything it still wouldn't mean we have to assume that whatever kakashi can do sasuke can do too
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But there is an indication that everyone can sense wild spikes in chakra, it's possible that Sasuke did the same with orochimaru.
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No there isn't, the scan you sent of orochimaru debunks that claim quiet literally, The fact he said "They perceived the chakra even though they aren't sensory ninjas" implies thats something sensory ninjas can do.
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No it implies that they can do because they literally did perceive it.
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You are missing the point by a mile, I never said that those people who perceived it can't, what I'm saying is that not everyone can do it and we have nothing telling us that kid sasuke can do it
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My point is that it is possible, and can serve as a logical explanation to why he was able to feel orochimaru's chakra in the forest. This means that what happened there can't be coughed up to fear manipulation, which there has also been no indication of, and the presence of another explanation throws the first into jeopardy.
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It being possible doesn't mean sasuke should automatically be able to do it. And no you'd have to prove that sasuke could sense chakra in the first place. We can just assume things to disprove something. Also the sensing thing has never been used as an explanation on why sasuke got scared, Idk where you got that from. Its just a thing that a few ninjas can do and we have no reason to assume otherwise. And even then, lets say sasuke did sense his chakra, that wouldn't scare sasuke not one bit, Naruto's chakra reserves dwarves that of sasuke's and he had no qualms fighting naruto. Chakra isn't the be all end all in naruto and sasuke knows it.
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Yes but at the same time almost the exact same thing I did is being used as an arguement for orochimaru having fear manipulation.
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There, found it
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That has nothing to do with orochimaru, even then this panel shows physical interaction (He kicked and sasuke touched his feet), In orochimaru's case he didnt even touch sasuke at all
There, found it
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So what, this proves that he can sense other peoples chakra. You cannot prove that this was the case with Orochimaru, but you also cannot disprove it. The same thing applies to orochimaru using fear manipulation, therefore none of these outcomes can be taken as fact. So to say that Naruto has resistance to fear manipulation because of this incredibly vague incident, is wrong.
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Wdym so what? He made physical contact, he didn't sense it? He literally only commented on the chakra on his arm. The burden of proof is on you to prove that sasuke got scared of orochimaru's chakra (which he can't sense) since you made that claim, you'd have to prove he can sense chakra. Also how is it vague? It isn't. Sasuke got scared, Naruto didn't. Besides your totally ignoring my point that him seeing orochimaru's chakra wont do anything even if his pool is bigger than sasuke's. Naruto's chakra reserves dwarves sasuke's yet he still fought him chakra isn't the be all end all and sasuke knows it
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First of all, I stated that non-sensory type ninjas can sense wild spikes in chakra. This would mean that they sense chakra output not reserves. Second of all, there is no indication that sasuke can only sense chakra through contact, that is merely your observation. Third of all, the ultimate point i'm trying to make, is that there is no indication that orochimaru used fear manipulation. It's vague because nothing was explained, you have to rely on observations and come to your own conclusions, of which there are many.
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1. Yeah very very few of them, Plus wild spikes in chakra? Orochimaru doesn't have a crazy chakra reserve why would sasuke sense anything? 2. No it isn't, There isn't anything saying he can sense chakra without contact either, and sensing chakra with contact is vastly different than sensing chakra without contact, You'd have to prove he can do the latter, it isn't an observation, its you having the burden of proof. 3. Its not a mere observation, its literally whats shown to us. Nothing being explained doesn't make it vague, if someone catches in fire we don't have to get a confirmation saying "he got burned by the fire". Sasuke got scared while orochimaru didn't do anything, which means fear aura. The other conclusions are just flawed or assuming wrong things. Kid sasuke has never been shown to sense chakra without contact
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Also you still ignored my point that even if sasuke did sense orochimaru's chakra that it wont change anything since orochimaru just having a higher chakra pool means nothing, So it wouldn't make sense for him to get scared of orochimaru's chakra when 1. he cant even sense and 2 even if he can he wont be scared by it
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1. You didn't understand point one.
2. That's like saying a character can only shoot fireballs out of his right hand because you've only seen them shoot it out of their right hand.
3. Yes, we did see sasuke get scared because of Orochimaru, but there was no explanation as to how exactly he got scared. Fear can come from many things, it doesn't automatically equate to fear manipulation.
2. That's like saying a character can only shoot fireballs out of his right hand because you've only seen them shoot it out of their right hand.
3. Yes, we did see sasuke get scared because of Orochimaru, but there was no explanation as to how exactly he got scared. Fear can come from many things, it doesn't automatically equate to fear manipulation.
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1. I did
2. No it ain't, Its like saying you can feel fire from a mile because you feel the fire from 1 meter away.
3. Fear manipulation is literally inducing fear into one person in any way possible except for strength, demeanor or authority. Fear inducement isn't just one way of striking fear, you can induce fear by a lot of ways. Orochimaru didn't induce fear by strength demeanor or authority so its fear manip.
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What makes you think a 13 year old kid won't be afraid in the face of something much stronger than them.
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And what makes you think that said 13 year old kid had any idea orochimaru was stronger than him?
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1. Chakra output is not the same as chakra reserves. Think about dragon ball and ki. Goku at base level would have an incredible ki reserve, but very often nobody senses this until he powers up, thus putting his ki on output. It's the same with nen, you cant gauge how strong someones nen is unless they have it on display. You cant guage reserves, only output.
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And what difference does this make?
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You kept trying to point out that sasuke doesnt fear naruto who has a larger chakra reserve.
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Yeah I know, But chakra reserves being different than chakra output doesn't make a difference. Sasuke doesn't fear naruto who has a larger chakra reserve and he feared orochimaru so orochimaru didn't scare him with his chakra. Since naruto has a higher reserve than orochimaru, and orochimaru didn't output chakra to scare sasuke so chakra output is irrelevant.
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If there was no chakra output, then that would mean that nothing supernatural occurred. Ergo, no fear manipulation.
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Why does orochimaru have to output chakra to make something supernatural occur? That doesn't make sense. it was his aura that made sasuke scared not his chakra
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Aura is chakra
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How?
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If there was no chakra output, then it’s not based on Orochimaru’s strength and is thus fear manip.
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All power systems that pertain to life force, such as chakra, is a form of aura, albeit different ideas and applications of it
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Everything supernatural in naruto needs chakra, if there is no chakra then everyone is the same as an ordinary human, and ordinary humans aren't capable of fear manipulation.
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What? No. That'd mean every character in every anime that has life force as their power systems has an aura, which they don't. How if life force related to aura?
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