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Golduck vs Heavy Weather
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If you're talking about Cloud Nine, that ain't gonna stop Heavy Weather, given Cloud Nine has never shown the ability to negate effects that effect the ozone itself but rather only localized weather, but also because Cloud Nine makes the weather clear, that's all it does. Which if anything is gonna make Heavy Weather more effective as there'd be nothing in the way to **** with the lighting.
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It doesn't make the weather clear. It negates its effects without clearing it. Harsh sunlight still exists but the various buffs and debuffs it creates don't apply. Also it negs even Delta Stream which does affect the ozone, but idk how ozone would matter. It's not like affecting the ozone gives it any special qualities of hax.
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This is... strange.
And oddly fascinating.
And oddly fascinating.
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Not entirely true, in everything outside of the games, Cloud Nine specifically clears it, completely. It makes the weather neutral.
Delta Stream doesnt effect the ozone, don't know where you got that bit of info but that isn't said anywhere, it whips up incredibly strong winds (turbulence in the japanese version) to overpower and negate other weather conditions while doing some flying type shit, it has absolutely zero effect on the ozone itself. You may be thinking that because it's the main ability of Rayquaza that it effects the ozone but that simply is not the case, don't know why you'd think that would be the case anyway given high stormy winds dont exactly exist in the upper ozone either.
>but idk how ozone would matter.
Because if Golduck cant prevent Heavy Weather, aka light entering the ozone layer in such a way that it induces a effect that turns organisms into snails, Golduck is gonna get turned. And Cloud Nine can't exactly stop light entering the atmosphere in such a oddly specific way that it induces that effect, given Cloud Nine simply lacks the ability to change the ozone, but it's also not like Cloud Nine gets rid of the light in general, it aint like it's sunny day, all light entering induces the effect and Cloud Nine sure as hell doesnt make it pitch black and night time.
Although honestly, saying Golduck would prevent the effects of Heavy Weather to begin with is sus as **** anyway, you honestly cant tell me Cloud Nine is going to negate subliminal messaging, given that has nothing to do with the weather itself but rather the perception of the viewer, that being Golduck in this case, given we both know Cloud Nine isnt going to change the light itself or how it's reflected, given the inability to effect the ozone, but also the inability to change something as specific as how light looks.
Delta Stream doesnt effect the ozone, don't know where you got that bit of info but that isn't said anywhere, it whips up incredibly strong winds (turbulence in the japanese version) to overpower and negate other weather conditions while doing some flying type shit, it has absolutely zero effect on the ozone itself. You may be thinking that because it's the main ability of Rayquaza that it effects the ozone but that simply is not the case, don't know why you'd think that would be the case anyway given high stormy winds dont exactly exist in the upper ozone either.
>but idk how ozone would matter.
Because if Golduck cant prevent Heavy Weather, aka light entering the ozone layer in such a way that it induces a effect that turns organisms into snails, Golduck is gonna get turned. And Cloud Nine can't exactly stop light entering the atmosphere in such a oddly specific way that it induces that effect, given Cloud Nine simply lacks the ability to change the ozone, but it's also not like Cloud Nine gets rid of the light in general, it aint like it's sunny day, all light entering induces the effect and Cloud Nine sure as hell doesnt make it pitch black and night time.
Although honestly, saying Golduck would prevent the effects of Heavy Weather to begin with is sus as **** anyway, you honestly cant tell me Cloud Nine is going to negate subliminal messaging, given that has nothing to do with the weather itself but rather the perception of the viewer, that being Golduck in this case, given we both know Cloud Nine isnt going to change the light itself or how it's reflected, given the inability to effect the ozone, but also the inability to change something as specific as how light looks.
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>In everything outside of the games.
Cloud Nine has only appeared inside of the games. Has no anime or manga appearances. The most you can say is PMD, but it works the same way as in the mainline games as of SMD.
>Can't prevent
It doesn't have to prevent anything. As it doesn't. It doesn't change the weather, it negates its effects. The subliminal messaging is an effect of the weather changing. You brought up Sunny Day. Cloud Nine doesn't negate the boosted sunlight, even when its brought to Primal Groudon levels, but it negates the effects that it has on other Pokémon. I still don't see how ozone matters. It's still weather, and manipulating the ozone isn't hax or even some boosted form of weather manip. And it does in fact have feats of preventing transformation, as Pokémon like Castform and Cherrim can't change while under the influence of Cloud Nine.
Cloud Nine has only appeared inside of the games. Has no anime or manga appearances. The most you can say is PMD, but it works the same way as in the mainline games as of SMD.
>Can't prevent
It doesn't have to prevent anything. As it doesn't. It doesn't change the weather, it negates its effects. The subliminal messaging is an effect of the weather changing. You brought up Sunny Day. Cloud Nine doesn't negate the boosted sunlight, even when its brought to Primal Groudon levels, but it negates the effects that it has on other Pokémon. I still don't see how ozone matters. It's still weather, and manipulating the ozone isn't hax or even some boosted form of weather manip. And it does in fact have feats of preventing transformation, as Pokémon like Castform and Cherrim can't change while under the influence of Cloud Nine.
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>The most you can say is PMD, but it works the same way as in the mainline games as of SMD.
last I checked it straight up erased the weather completely in PMD.
>it negates its effects. The subliminal messaging is an effect of the weather changing
No it aint? The subliminal messaging is an effect of the viewers perception of the light itself. The only way it's gonna negate anything is if it completely removed the light, which it wont do, in your own words mind you. The light will remain the same and as such, the subliminal messaging will remain intact, this isnt some super special mystical effect or mind hax, it's something that will happen as long as the light is reflected and continuing to be reflected.
> I still don't see how ozone matters. It's still weather,
You're joking right? No this isnt weather, that's the thing. Heavy Weather, despite it's name, isnt changing the weather, it's changing the ozone layer, which, of course, has absiolutely nothing to do with weather as one tends to think of it, something completely out of cloud Nine's control. Unless youre saying Cloud Nine can negate subliminal messaging (It cant, if it cant negate or change the lighting itself, the the light will still be refracted in such a way, and it's effect will still remain because the effect is coming from how one perceives it and Cloud Nine sure as **** aint negating how one perceives a picture based on real life phenomana).
>and manipulating the ozone isn't hax or even some boosted form of weather manip
It is literally both those things, so dont know what youre talking about. But no, my point is Cloud Nine has never been shown to negate Ozone effects, negating weather is one thing but negating things up in the ozone is something else entirely, something it'd need feats for, of which there are none. Especially when Heavy Weather is absolutely nothing like the things it's shown to negate and even then, the effect of Heavy Weather has nothing to do with the weather itself but how one views the light, and then think they are a snail.
>And it does in fact have feats of preventing transformation, as Pokémon like Castform and Cherrim can't change while under the influence of Cloud Nine.
False equilavence. Ignoring that Heavy Weather makes one think theyre becoming a snail, and the body belives it to be so. Not the same thing as a flower blooming under sunlight. You're basically saying Cloud Nine can prevent Goku from going Super Saiyan, because that's about as close as the snail ransformation is to your examples. The snail transformation isnt reliant on the weather (it's reliant on the light, but not even the light, simply how it looks and that's only what begins it, it's not what actually causes it). The transformation is caused by the target thinking theyre a snail, if Golduck sees the light, it'd effect him, and he'd believe hes a snail deep down, and the become one, not because of the weather, but that's what his body and mind think he is.
So in short. Cloud Nine isn't doing shit. Because
1. It cant effect the Ozone and thus prevent the light entering from being changed.
2. It doesnt actually change the weather but merely the secondary effects of the weather, which has no bearing on how Heavy Weather effects something.
3. The transmutation isnt an effect of the light but rather an effect of seeing the light, if Cloud Nine doesnt actually change the weather than the light will remain the same, and thus viewed the same, which in turn will inlicit the snailing. The snailing isnt an effect of the Stand's manipulating anything, Cloud Nine cant effect or rather, negate, how someone sees something).
4. Cloud Nine prevents transformations strictly reliant on the weather, Snailing isnt based on the weather or the conditions, it's caused by the body believing it's a snail so much it physically changes itself to become one, Cloud Nine cant prevent megas, Origin Giratina, etc, forms that happen due to other activation sources, as such it aint gonna stop the snail transformation because, as said, it was explained in great detail that the snailing is because of the body doing it itself, not the weather. It's also why simply closing your eyes wont work, your brain already thinks it's one.
last I checked it straight up erased the weather completely in PMD.
>it negates its effects. The subliminal messaging is an effect of the weather changing
No it aint? The subliminal messaging is an effect of the viewers perception of the light itself. The only way it's gonna negate anything is if it completely removed the light, which it wont do, in your own words mind you. The light will remain the same and as such, the subliminal messaging will remain intact, this isnt some super special mystical effect or mind hax, it's something that will happen as long as the light is reflected and continuing to be reflected.
> I still don't see how ozone matters. It's still weather,
You're joking right? No this isnt weather, that's the thing. Heavy Weather, despite it's name, isnt changing the weather, it's changing the ozone layer, which, of course, has absiolutely nothing to do with weather as one tends to think of it, something completely out of cloud Nine's control. Unless youre saying Cloud Nine can negate subliminal messaging (It cant, if it cant negate or change the lighting itself, the the light will still be refracted in such a way, and it's effect will still remain because the effect is coming from how one perceives it and Cloud Nine sure as **** aint negating how one perceives a picture based on real life phenomana).
>and manipulating the ozone isn't hax or even some boosted form of weather manip
It is literally both those things, so dont know what youre talking about. But no, my point is Cloud Nine has never been shown to negate Ozone effects, negating weather is one thing but negating things up in the ozone is something else entirely, something it'd need feats for, of which there are none. Especially when Heavy Weather is absolutely nothing like the things it's shown to negate and even then, the effect of Heavy Weather has nothing to do with the weather itself but how one views the light, and then think they are a snail.
>And it does in fact have feats of preventing transformation, as Pokémon like Castform and Cherrim can't change while under the influence of Cloud Nine.
False equilavence. Ignoring that Heavy Weather makes one think theyre becoming a snail, and the body belives it to be so. Not the same thing as a flower blooming under sunlight. You're basically saying Cloud Nine can prevent Goku from going Super Saiyan, because that's about as close as the snail ransformation is to your examples. The snail transformation isnt reliant on the weather (it's reliant on the light, but not even the light, simply how it looks and that's only what begins it, it's not what actually causes it). The transformation is caused by the target thinking theyre a snail, if Golduck sees the light, it'd effect him, and he'd believe hes a snail deep down, and the become one, not because of the weather, but that's what his body and mind think he is.
So in short. Cloud Nine isn't doing shit. Because
1. It cant effect the Ozone and thus prevent the light entering from being changed.
2. It doesnt actually change the weather but merely the secondary effects of the weather, which has no bearing on how Heavy Weather effects something.
3. The transmutation isnt an effect of the light but rather an effect of seeing the light, if Cloud Nine doesnt actually change the weather than the light will remain the same, and thus viewed the same, which in turn will inlicit the snailing. The snailing isnt an effect of the Stand's manipulating anything, Cloud Nine cant effect or rather, negate, how someone sees something).
4. Cloud Nine prevents transformations strictly reliant on the weather, Snailing isnt based on the weather or the conditions, it's caused by the body believing it's a snail so much it physically changes itself to become one, Cloud Nine cant prevent megas, Origin Giratina, etc, forms that happen due to other activation sources, as such it aint gonna stop the snail transformation because, as said, it was explained in great detail that the snailing is because of the body doing it itself, not the weather. It's also why simply closing your eyes wont work, your brain already thinks it's one.
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Does it matter? Cloud Nine isnt stopping something it has no feats of effecting, that being the ozone, subliminal messaging, or how an organism views a picture (because the effect is the light being changed, if Cloud nine doesnt change the actual condition itself, then there goes it's only chance of actually stopping it), nor is it stopping how one views a picture of something, given it even effected insects.Uniasha said:
There's a reason why it's listed as subliminal messaging, it's that which causes the transformation and all the other haxes, not the light itself.
Just because something happens in the sky doesnt mean Clud Nine nulls it, especially when that thing is seeing a picture in rays of light and not even truly a weather condition (At that point you may as well argue solar winds and meteors are weather conditions).
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Dude. The light comes into existence because of the weather. There's no denying that. It's a rainbow. It comes from a weather manipulating stand. No amount of workarounds changes that. Yes, it's light, but it's light from the weather. And no, you don't need feats of ozone manipulation, because again, Weather Report manipulates the weather, not contrary to the name. Yes. Heavy Weather is hax. But it's because of the effect, not the cause. The cause is and will forever be weather based. Pucci outright says it's weather based. The sun refracts in such a way that creates a weather effect that causes the light to subliminally message. And asking for feats of ozone manipulation in this scenario is like asking for a fire manipulator for feats of manipulating blue flames or flames that are 10K degrees when they produce 5K ones. It's asking for a feat for an unremarkable distinction. This match straight up wouldn't have been made if it were normal transmutation. Because of how complicated the ability is is why this fight exists. The effect can't happen if the cause is shut down.
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>The light comes into existence because of the weather.
Wrong, the light is natural light from the sun, when it enters the atmosphere, it gets refracted in such a way that those who see the light subconsciously see a picture of a snail within it. The light isnt made by the weather or the Stand or anything, it comes from space and is natural and from the sun. So you're already off to a horrible start there.
>There's no denying that.
dont need to deny it, the source material straight up says you're wrong.
>It's a rainbow.
It has rainbows, that's just one facet of the ability.
>It comes from a weather manipulating stand.
And Made In Heaven manipulates gravity, but can reset the universe and can give everyone precognition. A Stand's primary power means jack shit whe it comes to upgraded powers or secondary powers. Like Echoes having gravity manipulation.
>No amount of workarounds changes that.
That it manipulates the weather? Yes, you're right, unfortunately that doesnt mean Cloud Nine is negating the effects that dont derive from it.
>Yes, it's light, but it's light from the weather
No it's complete natural light that enters earth from space.
> And no, you don't need feats of ozone manipulation, because again, Weather Report manipulates the weather, not contrary to the name.
Odd, because I'm telling you the opposite is true. Cloud Nine needs feats of manipulating the zone, negating effects from the ozone and so on and so forth otherwise you're in NLF territory, made even worse when the thing youre trying to say it negates isnt even weather. Weather Report manipulates the weather isnt an argument, I can name off characters who can maniplate the weather and as such can create giant cosmic gas storms or solar storms, are you going to say Cloud Nine can negate the effects of those because they come from a weather manipulator? No you wouldn't, at least I hope you wouldn't. And no, Weather Report couldnt manipulate the ozone prior to the upgrade, despite being able to replicate any weather phenomana in history. That alone should tell you manipulating the ozone to the point of being able to destroy it completely ist simply manipulating the weather. Not withstanding manipulating the ozone isnt weather manipulation in the first place. Weather occurs in the lowest levels of the atmosphere, conviently ending just below the ozone layer, that alone is enough to void your argument of negating weather being enough, but the fact Cloud Nine has absolutely no feats of effecting anything above that or the ozone itself.
>But it's because of the effect, not the cause. The cause is and will forever be weather based.
The cause is seeing a picture in the light, Cloud Nine doesnt negate that, the only way it'd negate that is Cloud Nine effects the perception of those in it's AOE or it manulaly gets rid of the pictures reflected in the light, but as you said, it doesnt. The cause of the effect is the body itself believing it's a snail, not the light or the weather, this isnt difficult to grasp.
> Pucci outright says it's weather based. The sun refracts in such a way that creates a weather effect that causes the light to subliminally message.
Are you really resorting to misintepreting the line? It's a weather phenomana in the loosest sense of the word, and only in the context of JoJo. This doesnt translate over to Pokemon. And given you explained it yourselfi dont think I need to explain it again, but chances are I'm going to have to so may as well.
And he's technically wrong, by definition, anything that takes place in the ozone is no longer apart of the weather, he outright contradicts himself with his own explanation, even then, still wouldnt mean Cloud Nine can negate it given regardless of if you want to admit it, it needs feats of negating ozone effects, even if theyre called weather based, for the sole reason Cloud Nine aint negging cosmic weather events either, just because it's called a weather event, doesnt mean it falls under the weather effects Cloud Nine can negate, or even true weather conditions anyway (Solar flares have been called weather events before, same with eclipses, they arent though). Light from space enters the ozone, the light is refracted in such a away that the light has invisible pictures of snails within it. Anything that sees the light subconciously believes they are becoing a snail due to seeing the subliminal pictures ofthe snails in the light, as such thir body proceeds to physically change into a snail because it truly thinks it's a snail. Unless Cloud Nine can prevent the light from being refracted in the first place, anyone who sees it will be subliminally effected because the effect isnt from the light itself but rather simply how the light looks and the only way to get around that is if Cloud Nine makes it so there is no pictures of snails in the light, which you said yourself, Cloud Nine doesnt actually cahnge the weather or the conditions itself, only the secondary effects. And pictures of snails is something that wont be changed if that's the case, and because of that Cloud Nine wont prevent anything because every single other effect relating to Heavy Weather comes directly from someone seeing it and their mind, body and brain doing the rest to itself. Unless you think Cloud Nine would prevent someone being subliminally messaged to get thirsty via a movie (as per the direct example given by Pucci), it aint doing shit Cal, because the effect is vision based, the has nothing to do with the weather, and Cloud Nine doesnt actually change how it looks. Put two and two together.
>And asking for feats of ozone manipulation in this scenario is like asking for a fire manipulator for feats of manipulating blue flames or flames that are 10K degrees when they produce 5K ones.
No I'm asking for someone who can read minds to show the ability to mind control someone from 90 feet away. Or someone who resisted psychic mind control to resist having their biological brain and neurons physically mixed up. False analogy Cal.
>It's asking for a feat for an unremarkable distinction.
You are literally wrong on this front, even if you think basic weather manip and manipulating the ozone is the same thing, it simply isnt.
>This match straight up wouldn't have been made if it were normal transmutation. Because of how complicated the ability is is why this fight exists.
Something tells me that isnt why this fight exists.
>The effect can't happen if the cause is shut down.
The cause being shutdown would be, preventing the light from having invisible pictures of snails in the first place which by your own admission, isnt what Cloud Nine does, or Golduck being blind or clinically braindead down to a subconscious level because the cause of the transformation is due to Golduck himself, not the weather. The weather just makes him subliminally think it, but it's no different than if Golduck looked directly at the sun and burned his eys out. Would you say Cloud Nine would protect someone from eye damage via looking at the sun? Or seeing a shape in the cloud? If not then this argment is pointless. Cloud Nine cant effect the ozone, it doesnt change the light, and he effect in question is literally just seeing a picture, all the complex things comes from the viewer's mind and body itself, not the weather.
Wrong, the light is natural light from the sun, when it enters the atmosphere, it gets refracted in such a way that those who see the light subconsciously see a picture of a snail within it. The light isnt made by the weather or the Stand or anything, it comes from space and is natural and from the sun. So you're already off to a horrible start there.
>There's no denying that.
dont need to deny it, the source material straight up says you're wrong.
>It's a rainbow.
It has rainbows, that's just one facet of the ability.
>It comes from a weather manipulating stand.
And Made In Heaven manipulates gravity, but can reset the universe and can give everyone precognition. A Stand's primary power means jack shit whe it comes to upgraded powers or secondary powers. Like Echoes having gravity manipulation.
>No amount of workarounds changes that.
That it manipulates the weather? Yes, you're right, unfortunately that doesnt mean Cloud Nine is negating the effects that dont derive from it.
>Yes, it's light, but it's light from the weather
No it's complete natural light that enters earth from space.
> And no, you don't need feats of ozone manipulation, because again, Weather Report manipulates the weather, not contrary to the name.
Odd, because I'm telling you the opposite is true. Cloud Nine needs feats of manipulating the zone, negating effects from the ozone and so on and so forth otherwise you're in NLF territory, made even worse when the thing youre trying to say it negates isnt even weather. Weather Report manipulates the weather isnt an argument, I can name off characters who can maniplate the weather and as such can create giant cosmic gas storms or solar storms, are you going to say Cloud Nine can negate the effects of those because they come from a weather manipulator? No you wouldn't, at least I hope you wouldn't. And no, Weather Report couldnt manipulate the ozone prior to the upgrade, despite being able to replicate any weather phenomana in history. That alone should tell you manipulating the ozone to the point of being able to destroy it completely ist simply manipulating the weather. Not withstanding manipulating the ozone isnt weather manipulation in the first place. Weather occurs in the lowest levels of the atmosphere, conviently ending just below the ozone layer, that alone is enough to void your argument of negating weather being enough, but the fact Cloud Nine has absolutely no feats of effecting anything above that or the ozone itself.
>But it's because of the effect, not the cause. The cause is and will forever be weather based.
The cause is seeing a picture in the light, Cloud Nine doesnt negate that, the only way it'd negate that is Cloud Nine effects the perception of those in it's AOE or it manulaly gets rid of the pictures reflected in the light, but as you said, it doesnt. The cause of the effect is the body itself believing it's a snail, not the light or the weather, this isnt difficult to grasp.
> Pucci outright says it's weather based. The sun refracts in such a way that creates a weather effect that causes the light to subliminally message.
Are you really resorting to misintepreting the line? It's a weather phenomana in the loosest sense of the word, and only in the context of JoJo. This doesnt translate over to Pokemon. And given you explained it yourselfi dont think I need to explain it again, but chances are I'm going to have to so may as well.
And he's technically wrong, by definition, anything that takes place in the ozone is no longer apart of the weather, he outright contradicts himself with his own explanation, even then, still wouldnt mean Cloud Nine can negate it given regardless of if you want to admit it, it needs feats of negating ozone effects, even if theyre called weather based, for the sole reason Cloud Nine aint negging cosmic weather events either, just because it's called a weather event, doesnt mean it falls under the weather effects Cloud Nine can negate, or even true weather conditions anyway (Solar flares have been called weather events before, same with eclipses, they arent though). Light from space enters the ozone, the light is refracted in such a away that the light has invisible pictures of snails within it. Anything that sees the light subconciously believes they are becoing a snail due to seeing the subliminal pictures ofthe snails in the light, as such thir body proceeds to physically change into a snail because it truly thinks it's a snail. Unless Cloud Nine can prevent the light from being refracted in the first place, anyone who sees it will be subliminally effected because the effect isnt from the light itself but rather simply how the light looks and the only way to get around that is if Cloud Nine makes it so there is no pictures of snails in the light, which you said yourself, Cloud Nine doesnt actually cahnge the weather or the conditions itself, only the secondary effects. And pictures of snails is something that wont be changed if that's the case, and because of that Cloud Nine wont prevent anything because every single other effect relating to Heavy Weather comes directly from someone seeing it and their mind, body and brain doing the rest to itself. Unless you think Cloud Nine would prevent someone being subliminally messaged to get thirsty via a movie (as per the direct example given by Pucci), it aint doing shit Cal, because the effect is vision based, the has nothing to do with the weather, and Cloud Nine doesnt actually change how it looks. Put two and two together.
>And asking for feats of ozone manipulation in this scenario is like asking for a fire manipulator for feats of manipulating blue flames or flames that are 10K degrees when they produce 5K ones.
No I'm asking for someone who can read minds to show the ability to mind control someone from 90 feet away. Or someone who resisted psychic mind control to resist having their biological brain and neurons physically mixed up. False analogy Cal.
>It's asking for a feat for an unremarkable distinction.
You are literally wrong on this front, even if you think basic weather manip and manipulating the ozone is the same thing, it simply isnt.
>This match straight up wouldn't have been made if it were normal transmutation. Because of how complicated the ability is is why this fight exists.
Something tells me that isnt why this fight exists.
>The effect can't happen if the cause is shut down.
The cause being shutdown would be, preventing the light from having invisible pictures of snails in the first place which by your own admission, isnt what Cloud Nine does, or Golduck being blind or clinically braindead down to a subconscious level because the cause of the transformation is due to Golduck himself, not the weather. The weather just makes him subliminally think it, but it's no different than if Golduck looked directly at the sun and burned his eys out. Would you say Cloud Nine would protect someone from eye damage via looking at the sun? Or seeing a shape in the cloud? If not then this argment is pointless. Cloud Nine cant effect the ozone, it doesnt change the light, and he effect in question is literally just seeing a picture, all the complex things comes from the viewer's mind and body itself, not the weather.
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Actually thinking on it, why the hell does it matter what Weather can do? Just because it can do it doesnt mean Cloud Nine can, Weather Report can make it rain ******* poison dart frogs, Cloud Nine aint gonna negate the poison from the frogs because it's technically in the loosest sense of the word a weather effect. Weather could be able to make super giant black holes, just because it's coming from a weather manipulator doesnt mean Cloud Nine would negate the gravity from em.
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It's for that Reason Cloud Nine wont negate ozone shit because even though it's done by a weather manipulator (who couldnt even do it even when he could replicate any weather event in history seemingly) because even if done by Weather, it's not actually a weather event (unless you think light entering the earth is weather? Or the aforementioned things) but also out of Cloud Nine's ability to negate without encroaching on NLF, plus I'd go ahead and even say it's out of range, by like, a good 10km.
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It's for that Reason Cloud Nine wont negate ozone shit because even though it's done by a weather manipulator (who couldnt even do it even when he could replicate any weather event in history seemingly) because even if done by Weather, it's not actually a weather event (unless you think light entering the earth is weather? Or the aforementioned things) but also out of Cloud Nine's ability to negate without encroaching on NLF, plus I'd go ahead and even say it's out of range, by like, a good 10km.
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