Goku vs Marisa

[Mickey1940]

I did, I thought he could just knock her out or something.

He CAN knock her out as a wincon.

 

[Dangeroustaco]

For how long would she be knocked out? And has Goku ever canonically used this as a tactic in combat?

 

[Mickey1940]

For how long would she be knocked out? And has Goku ever canonically used this as a tactic in combat?

If killing her over and over again only leads to her reviving over and over again, then he will either 1. Knock her out, or 2. use Mafuba

 

[EucliCantEatOranges]

Goku's AP and BFR make him take this for me, vote for Goku.

Or he can chop her on the back of the neck for incap, a fair few options to use tbh.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Goku punches.

 

[Dangeroustaco]

For how long would she be knocked out? And has Goku ever canonically used this as a tactic in combat?

If killing her over and over again only leads to her reviving over and over again, then he will either 1. Knock her out, or 2. use Mafuba

But how will he know to do that after all the deaths? The deaths cause time reversal, and Goku would lose his memories of having fought her in the first place. Think of it like Frisk and their save file in Undertale.

 

[Mickey1940]

For how long would she be knocked out? And has Goku ever canonically used this as a tactic in combat?

If killing her over and over again only leads to her reviving over and over again, then he will either 1. Knock her out, or 2. use Mafuba

But how will he know to do that after all the deaths? The deaths cause time reversal, and Goku would lose his memories of having fought her in the first place. Think of it like Frisk and their save file in Undertale.

It's quite in-character for Goku to neck-chop against beings vastly weaker than himself

 

[AwkguyDB]

neck chop

 

[Dangeroustaco]

How long does this incap for?

 

[Akreious]

... It's a neck chop. How long do you think it lasts for?

Anyways, SBA says this:

"Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions."

Getting hit on the neck by such a stronger person would definitely make you stay conked out for more than an hour, I'd say. If I get smashed in the face by Hulk Hogan or something, yeah I'm staying down for a good 2 hours. Possibly get hospitalized. Still technically KO.

 

[ProudLearner]

Son Goku FRA

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

goku fra

 

[AwkguyDB]

yeah I'm voting Goku

 

[AwkguyDB]

I see 7 Votes for Goku Cena so I think we are in Grace

 

[BlastX]

Goku FRA

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This can be added now.

 

[Leon_Help4]

Goku fra

 

[AwkguyDB]

Goku Cena Wins Lol

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This still needs to be added.

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Added it on Marisa's Profile but Goku's profile is locked.

 

[Overlord775]

Does Marisa even have a wincon here ?

Like, Goku scales immesurably in Low 2-C via scaling to GoDs being halfway from Low 2-C to 2-C, so she can't harm him

 

[Overlord775]

Does Marisa even have a wincon here ?

Like, Goku scales immesurably in Low 2-C via scaling to GoDs being halfway from Low 2-C to 2-C, so she can't harm him.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

saiyan FRA

 

[Overlord775]

Am i nonexistant to you ?

<-<

 

[Mickey1940]

I just wanted to point out that Goku starts out in SSGSS here, not UI

Do the arguments still stand?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

The arguments stand because the victor is already announced

 

[Mickey1940]

The arguments stand because the victor is already announced

but were they aware of this rule tho?

 

[GarrixianXD]

Saiyajin FRA

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

Grace already happened. That's what I meant

 

[Overlord775]

Does Marisa even have a wincon here ?
Like, Goku scales immesurably in Low 2-C via scaling to GoDs being halfway from Low 2-C to 2-C, so she can't harm him.

^^^^^^^

it very much looks like a stomp to me

 

[Dangeroustaco]

Won't incaping her require melee contact?

 

[NothingToDebateWith]

When Marisa can scale to Suika, the Drunk Oni who destroyed an infinite-sized realm known as 'Heaven/Paradise' just so she could make people fear, which had a being that's- uh... really bigger than the Universe itself within it (Amitabha, who dwarfs the Universe itself as if it's at the planck length)... And she did that in maximum 12 hours (overnight).


Yeah, considering that, plus the fact that Marisa can dodge her attacks like how every 2hu protagonist or mid-high tiers or 2hu do... Busting such an area with relatively small amount of time (????) should equal to a great amount of 'greater-than-baseline' AP for her to be honest.

Here's the calc, even though it's a lowball.

 

[NothingToDebateWith]

Marisa, like Reimu; was able to beat Kurumi (In Pc-98, there were no spellcard rules.), a Vampire (Where Vampires were said to be maintaining the power-balance in Gensokyo, also equal in-power to inhabitants of Youkai Mountain. Including Oni's -The likes of Suika, since they also were living in the Youkai Mountain). I can provide everything via screenshots, so there it is. ^^

 

[Overlord775]

Goku's scaling chain is so massive isn't not even funny, so no, Marisa can't even scratch him.

 

[NothingToDebateWith]

Goku's scaling chain is so massive isn't not even funny, so no, Marisa can't even scratch him.

But she could beat/harm the 'Sagacious Spirit' who wasn't bound by any concept (Purified herself to lack names/concepts) under Spellcard Rules and with the help of UOE, which she already drank it as how it seems.

 

[Overlord775]

Junko being aconceptual doesn't make her any large margin higher in potency. it's just a different state of being

also under spellcards rules characters restrain themsels, so it's not usefull for scaling

 

[NothingToDebateWith]

Junko being aconceptual doesn't make her any large margin higher in potency. it's just a different state of being
also under spellcards rules characters restrain themsels, so it's not usefull for scaling

Technically, harming aconceptual beings should qualify, since she is the only one who completely lacks conceptual bounds.

 

[Overlord775]

1. Junko's true form is the only aconceptual one, her physical forms aren't like those of every other god

2. It would just be Nonphysical Interactions anyway

 

[NothingToDebateWith]

1. Junko's true form is the only aconceptual one, her physical forms aren't like those of every other god
2. It would just be Nonphysical Interactions anyway

Non-physical interaction on that scale, yes. Now why can't she exactly stratch Goku?

 

[PhantomØ4]

Goku's scaling chain is so massive isn't not even funny, so no, Marisa can't even scratch him.

^