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Goku vs. Garou (Martial Arts Battle)

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That's not even the most wow thing... It's that this is for fun and games...

I see no fun in this😅
 
Nothing is fun when debating... Well... when debating against each other, well.... when debating with bad intent..... 🙈
 
Neither his attack against Blackluster or EFJ are implied to be any form of Durability Negation.
Zero reasons to think this way. And EFJ is a stronger version of GFJ, no reason to assume it doesn't have the durability negation of its weaker version.
Also, if making some cough up blood with an attack qualifies for Durability Negation, then Goku has numerous DN attacks as well.
Kinda missed the point but if Goku has a martial art technique that allows him to negate durability he is more than welcome to use it here.
His attack against Blackluster were not with the palm of his hands.
The scan you posted literally shows Garou with open palms with the next scan being this. Next, you see Darkshine while clutching the dust created by Garou's attack (the exact same thing that happens when Garou used EFJ which is also a strikingly similar attack) even states right after that Garou used him as a stepping stone to improve his techniques, further implying that what Garou did wasn't just a normal dual-handed punch. Why would Garou whose barrage of punches moments before didn't put a scratch on Darkshine suddenly stop his own momentum to even do that? Why would said attack even cause Darkshine to cough blood? why would Darkshine mention techniques when looking at the result of Garou's said attack? and why would Garou's barrage of punches right after said attack not make Darkshine cough blood?
And EFJ is literally just Garou grabbing Saitama's torso and slamming him down.
That doesn't mean the technique is different. If it were meant to be different it would've been named different and not another dual palm push.
It's not purely a hand-to-hand combat technique, so of course it's possible to restrict it.
It is. Its effects have range but it's a hand-to-hand technique. Similar to techniques like GoH that utilize friction or airflow to create flame kicks, ice kicks or shockwaves with martial arts. Just ask the OP if the technique is allowed.
 
Zero reasons to think this way. And EFJ is a stronger version of GFJ, no reason to assume it doesn't have the durability negation of its weaker version.
Of course there is. Nothing you've said so far is suggested, implied or shown in the manga. It's just an assumption based on ''Fa Jin'' being in the name. That's it.

Kinda missed the point but if Goku has a martial art technique that allows him to negate durability he is more than welcome to use it here.
It isn't and never will be accepted, but yeah, Goku has showcased similar feats.

The scan you posted literally shows Garou with open palms with the next scan being this.
Scan 1 does not show him with open palm the way you're suggesting, and scan 2 does not show his hands at all.

Next, you see Darkshine while clutching the dust created by Garou's attack (the exact same thing that happens when Garou used EFJ which is also a strikingly similar attack)
One instance is Garou smashing a huge body into an underground wall, and in the other Garou's firing an extra blast against already-crumbling buildings. There's gonna be dust and crumbles. This feels like a huge reach.

Why would Garou whose barrage of punches moments before didn't put a scratch on Darkshine suddenly stop his own momentum to even do that?
You already answered your own questions; because Garou was using Darkshine as a stepping stone. He was constantly getting stronger throughout their fight to the point that he turned it around.

Why would said attack even cause Darkshine to cough blood? why would Darkshine mention techniques when looking at the result of Garou's said attack?
Because punches to the stomach from stronger characters can cause internal bleedings. Something that happens irl as well. Because Garou specializes in martial arts, which involves techniques...

It is. Its effects have range but it's a hand-to-hand technique. Similar to techniques like GoH that utilize friction or airflow to create flame kicks, ice kicks or shockwaves with martial arts.
Yeah, which is not pure martial arts either. They're mixed with other abilities.

I doubt the OP specified ''hand-to-hand combat only'', then took away Goku's ki-related abilities just so Garou can still use all of his abilities. But you might be right. @Kin201 did you intend to restrict these type of abilities too, or are they still allowed.
 
Of course there is. Nothing you've said so far is suggested, implied or shown in the manga. It's just an assumption based on ''Fa Jin'' being in the name. That's it.
That's enough of an assumption, as it is literally on his profile.
It isn't and never will be accepted, but yeah, Goku has showcased similar feats.
Then tell us those feats
Scan 1 does not show him with open palm the way you're suggesting, and scan 2 does not show his hands at all.
Then what are Garou's hand's doing in the scene?
One instance is Garou smashing a huge body into an underground wall, and in the other Garou's firing an extra blast against already-crumbling buildings. There's gonna be dust and crumbles. This feels like a huge reach.
Completely incorrect. Garou is not firing any beams during his EFJ, he is literally just pushing Saitama into the building. That is why you get a page showing Garou rushing to Saitama before he makes contact with Saitama. No building or instructor, no matter how destroyed, is just gonna be reduced to powder as shown by what Garou did in both fights.
You already answered your own questions; because Garou was using Darkshine as a stepping stone. He was constantly getting stronger throughout their fight to the point that he turned it around.
Getting stronger yes, but not being able to make Darkshine spit up blood or even swell and cut his face with barrages of punches directly to his face after is another thing if Garou did something other than Fa Jin.
Because punches to the stomach from stronger characters can cause internal bleedings. Something that happens irl as well. Because Garou specializes in martial arts, which involves techniques...
That would be true if Garou was stronger than Darkshine at that point in time, which he wasn't. Darkshine was stronger up until the last kick Garou threw, Darkshine was just too scared of fighting a fight where he has a chance of losing.
Yeah, which is not pure martial arts either. They're mixed with other abilities.
They are. It's fictional martial arts, of course, no different than ki in that aspect except instead of being energy manipulation its shit like sliding your foot fast enough against the ground to generate enough friction and create a fire then kicking with said fire or creating turbulence with your body to generate a low temperature and form ice and kicking with said ice. It's a realistic base but taken to the extreme whereas ki is just magic by comparison.
 
using UI without godki?
Master roshi in the manga used it. UI doesn’t use god Ki in the anime.

God Ki doesn’t give your resistance to power mimicry.

You guys are treating God Ki as something completely different from regular, it isn’t.

God Ki is way over blown by the fan base. Moro was only over loading because of the AP he copied from Merus. AP is not a factor in this fight.

There is pretty much no difference between god Ki and regular Ki.
 
Is anybody actually keeping track of votes or is this shit deadass gonna go on forever.
 
The idea of your body moving independently of your mind is not an idea that is unique to dragon ball. Baki characters have been doing that for over 20 years now
 
Master roshi in the manga used it. UI doesn’t use god Ki in the anime.

God Ki doesn’t give your resistance to power mimicry.

You guys are treating God Ki as something completely different from regular, it isn’t.

God Ki is way over blown by the fan base. Moro was only over loading because of the AP he copied from Merus. AP is not a factor in this fight.

There is pretty much no difference between god Ki and regular Ki.
He didn't actually used UI though..
Whis said it had resemblance but not actual UI
 
I actually remember a stats equal Yujiro Hanma vs Ultra instinct Goku thread going in the same direction. Yujiro won because he would just copy the practical usage of ultra instinct not the exact ability.
 
You know what let’s unequal the stats and let them use all their abilities so Goku can die of cancer and all call it a day.
 
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