Goku & Vegeta CRT

[BOEGVELD]

Goku:

• Breath Attack (shown here)
• Large Size 1 & 2 (can create a giant ki construct around himself that varies in size)
• BFR (threw Gas into space)
• Forcefield Creation (can create barriers that protect him against attacks much stronger than him, and use it to protect others)
• Damage Boost (can increase the power of his attacks by concentrating his ki into a single point to do more damage)

Forcefield Creation would apply to Base Goku (DBS manga)
Breath Attack, Large Size, BFR would apply to UI Goku.
Damage Boost would apply to every version of Goku.
Spatial Manipulation would apply to EoZ Goku and everything after that.

Vegeta:

• Damage Boost (can increase the power of his attacks by concentrating his ki into a single point to do more damage)
• Fire Manipulation (attacked Granolah with the fire of his aura)

Damage Boost would apply to every version of Vegeta, and Fire Manipulation obviously only applies to UE Vegeta.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Seems like it looks fine, I agree

 

[Spinoirr]

Goku could actually use his forcefield and telekinesis in base when he was meditating

 

[SamanPatou]

Breath Attack (shown here)

Good

• Large Size 1 & 2 (can create a giant ki construct around himself that varies in size)

He already has it, although just type 1. Maybe we should scale the construct to Goku's height, who's visible in the head, instead of the tree of unknown size.

• BFR (threw Gas into space)

Good

• Forcefield Creation (can create barriers that protect him against attacks much stronger than him, and use it to protect others)

All ki users in our DB pages have it, this specific case should be described in the notable techniques section

• Damage Boost (can increase the power of his attacks by concentrating his ki into a single point to do more damage)

I thought all ki users had it already, but anyway, it's good.

• Spatial Manipulation (is stronger than Gotenks and Super Buu, who can create dimensional rifts with a powerful Kiai Shout)

He already has it in god form.

Vegeta:

• Damage Boost (can increase the power of his attacks by concentrating his ki into a single point to do more damage)
• Fire Manipulation (attacked Granolah with the fire of his aura

Ofc I agree with DB, but I don't thinl Vegeta's aura is actual fire, it just looks like fire, and it's pretty common for DB characters to attack with their aura.

 

[BOEGVELD]

Maybe we should scale the construct to Goku's height, who's visible in the head, instead of the tree of unknown size.

Type 2 seems pretty consistent since they dwarf numerous trees and even mountains located in the background.

All ki users in our DB pages have it, this specific case should be described in the notable techniques section

I thought I'd mention it separately due to its potency and ability to protect others, but that's fine as well.

He already has it in god form.

My bad. Removed it.

I don't thinl Vegeta's aura is actual fire, it just looks like fire

I guess you could argue that, though it'd be bit weird for it not to be fire imo.

 

[Damage3245]

This is fine, though I'm not sure about Vegeta's "fire". Could just be aura.

 

[Vietthai96]

He already has it in god form.

The scan is good though, almost all of DB profile at the level where they scale to Super Buu and Gotenks didn't have this scan, look so bad

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I'm not sure about the BFR part. Yeah it's essentially what it is, but nothing stopping them from simply returning assuming they survive in space (and Gas can, and has returned from the other side of the universe, so not exactly a BFR)

 

[Spinoirr]

I'm not sure about the BFR part. Yeah it's essentially what it is, but nothing stopping them from simply returning assuming they survive in space (and Gas can, and has returned from the other side of the universe, so not exactly a BFR)

i mean boros has bfr

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

i mean boros has bfr

How is this relevant? We aren't talking about OPM

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Yeah, Goku's and Boros' feat are basically the same, so Goku should have BFR too

And just because the character can return, it doesn't mean it's not BFR. A character with dimensional travel May return from a dimensional BFR, yet it doesn't invalidate it being BFR

 

[BOEGVELD]

I'm not sure about the BFR part.

That's still BFR though. With the right conditions you can obviously return, but there're a lot of characters who cannot.

The scan is good though

Yeah it's probably better if they're added. At least to clarify why they have it via powerscaling.

 

[Spinoirr]

also gas and granolah need range and iq upgrades for being able to fight goku and vegeta and push these combat geinus's

also their range should be better then goku and vegeta's god forms via being stronger then them due to the wish

 

[BOEGVELD]

Granolah's Precog is also pretty great But yeah that should probably be done in a CRT soon as well.

 

[Damage3245]

Technically speaking Goku should have BFR anyway just for being able to teleport his opponents elsewhere.

 

[BOEGVELD]

Technically speaking Goku should have BFR anyway just for being able to teleport his opponents elsewhere.

He already has it for this iirc. But since this is achieved via different means, I thought it should probably be added as well.

 

[SamanPatou]

Type 2 seems pretty consistent since they dwarf numerous trees and even mountains located in the background.

We should get an acuurate calc for safety, and the mountains in the background are affected by perspective

I guess you could argue that, though it'd be bit weird for it not to be fire imo.

Well, for starters it's purple, and it's never referred to as fire, doesn't burn anyone and there are no precedents of characters projecting fire instead of just energy aura. Also, iirc that's a common design for some auras in the DBS manga.

 

[sanicspood]

physical bfr never made sense to me

 

[Thelastmlg]

Same, is no different from AP/lifting strength being used in a specific way, but it is what it is

 

[silverfang]

Agree with everything except vegetas fire

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

He already has it in god form.

You're definitely right, but IMO this:

• Spatial Manipulation (is stronger than Gotenks and Super Buu, who can create dimensional rifts with a powerful Kiai Shout)

Is MUCH better looking and better formatted than this:

can possibly create dimensional rifts and destroy space-time and pocket dimensions with his energy via powerscaling,

But this is probably more of an issue with the verse's profiles in general, not just Goku's, and likely belongs in its own CRT.

Anyway, everything except Fire Manipulation seems alright.

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the op fra

 

[BOEGVELD]

We should get an acuurate calc for safety, and the mountains in the background are affected by perspective

You wouldn't be able to dwarf them by being a few meters tall regardless though. What would be a fair calc? I think taking the average size of a tree is pretty fair, and consistent due to the amount of trees close to them.

Well, for starters it's purple, and it's never referred to as fire, doesn't burn anyone and there are no precedents of characters projecting fire instead of just energy aura. Also, iirc that's a common design for some auras in the DBS manga.

Fair enough. Seems like most disagree with Fire Manipulation for Vegeta.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

You wouldn't be able to dwarf them by being a few meters tall regardless though. What would be a fair calc? I think taking the average size of a tree is pretty fair, and consistent due to the amount of trees close to them.

Using Goku as a measure should be better, especially in the new chapter as we see the spirit head right next to Goku

 

[BOEGVELD]

Using Goku as a measure should be better, especially in the new chapter as we see the spirit head right next to Goku

I disagree with that tbh. It doesn't look like Goku's completely on scale (he's as big as the trees etc). Plus the size that'd generate is not much bigger than a tree, and definitely not enough to dwarf mountains in the background. Taking the average size of a tree is safer and more consistent here imo.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I disagree with that tbh. It doesn't look like Goku's completely on scale (he's as big as the trees etc). Plus the size that'd generate is not much bigger than a tree, and definitely not enough to dwarf mountains in the background. Taking the average size of a tree is safer and more consistent here imo.

He's not tree sized. It just looks like it because of how perspective works

 

[BOEGVELD]

He's not tree sized. It just looks like it because of how perspective works

I'm not talking about the trees in background, but the ones in the foreground. Goku's around the same size as them, while he's also further away...

 

[Firestorm808]

Other than Fire Manip, the rest seem fine.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Bump

 

[BOEGVELD]

Should we wait for more (staff) input? It seems like everything except Fire Manipulation is fine to add.

 

[SamanPatou]

Goku might be drawn as tall as a tree, but calc wise we'd be working with different values, and give how the construct is proportionally accurate, I think it'd be safer to use Goku instead of the tree.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

We can scale Goku to the spirit head here

 

[BOEGVELD]

I wouldn't say that's consistent either. Here and here Goku's very small compared to the head of the construct, yet here he's a pretty big chunk of the size of its head. But the literal panel after that shows him as big as the eye that he was much bigger than in the previous panel.
The size of the trees compared to the construct and it dwarfing mountains in the background do remain consistent however. I still believe that should be used.

 

[Antvasima]

What our staff members have accepted above can probably be applied now.

 

[Spinoirr]

also Goku and Vegeta need their ages updated as the granolah saga (age 781) takes place a year after the ToP (780)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine to me.

 

[BOEGVELD]

What our staff members have accepted above can probably be applied now.

Okay, should I add this then?

 

[BOEGVELD]

also Goku and Vegeta need their ages updated as the granolah saga (age 781) takes place a year after the ToP (780)

Scan? I don't remember DB discussing the current year(s) in any recent arcs.

 

[Spinoirr]

Scan? I don't remember DB discussing the current year(s) in any recent arcs.

Takes place "41" years (47 using Daizenshuu/Xenoverse years) after Goku's birth in Age 734. For comparison Broly took place "40" years (48 using Daizenshuu/Xenoverse years) after Age 732. Placing the Granolah the Survivor Saga the year after Broly.

 

[Spinoirr]

Also Forced Spirit Fission should also grant Fissionism