Goku Black vs The TARDIS

[Colonel_Krukov]

Goku Black vs The TARDIS

Rules:

• Standard Battle Assumptions
• 4-B versions
• The Doctor is piloting the TARDIS
• Speed is equal if necessary

TARDIS: 8 (LoyalservantofInti,TakatoBlue,Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot,TISSG7Redgrave,The real cal howard,Ultima Reality,WilliamShadow,SomebodyData)

Goku: 9 (Miles Romero12,Gokuiscool144,Candy Vegetto,God-King Superman77,Quantu,Koopi,SPIDEY4576,Jeune fou,Cannibalistic999)

Inconclusive: 0 ()

 

[Hakaishim]

time machine bump

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The doctor could, I don't know... TRAVEL BACK IN TIME, and kill Goku?

TARDIS via spatial manipulation and time travel.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Bump

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I give it to The TARDIS

The Doctor is MUCH more smarter than Goku, and he can simply come back in time and kill Goku when he was still a baby

 

[Kyo_Zero]

I don't know why but I like to imagine this as the Tardis and Goku literally beating the shit out of eachother

 

[The_Ultimate_Dragon_Slayer]

Tardis because reasons above.

 

[Omegagoldfish]

TARDIS has time travel. Goku is not acausal.


TARDIS wins.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Goku Black could be a better choice tho.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Goku Black could be a better choice tho.

I see.

What would be better, changing this to Goku Black, or banning time travel?

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Change it to Goku Black

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

kk

Since I've changed the opponent, all votes have been removed.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

TARDIS via spatial manipulation

 

[Hakaishim]

Only goku adobe may not be acausal, but the tardis back in time would not affect the goku, because time travel in the world of dragon ball alone generates an alternate timeline

Where one or more events will not occur

 

[Ssr4vegito]

Its not goku in this fight its goku black he is acasual with time ring

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Bump

 

[Miles_Romero12]

Goku Black takes this thanks to accasuality.

 

[Gokuiscool144]

Goku black via accausality

 

[Miles_Romero12]

What is the Tardis gonna do? Kill Zamasu? Kill Baby Goku? Neither of them is gonna give that trashcan the victory.

 

[Candy_Vegetto]

Yup, Dragon Ball time manipulation works mostly on multiverse theory with some inconsistencies. Beerus deleted Zamasu in the present timeline, and it did not even affect the future version of Zamasu, let alone Goku Black.

Also, to whoever denied acasuality for Goku as well, you're flat out wrong. Future Trunks during Z traveled back in time to give Goku heart medicine to prevent his death in the future: doing so did not bring Future Goku back to life. Same with the entire Cell Saga cast being vastly superior to their Future counterparts: none of it changed the outcome of the future and did not affect the time stream.

Not to mention, Xenoverse shows you massively screwing with Goku's history and he does not change from any of it. Time travel has no effect on Dragon Ball characters, Goku and Goku Black both stomp Tardis with ease.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Neutral universe for point 1. Time Ring is the reason it didn't affect them.

Goku is far from acausal. You yourself stated multiverse theory exists for Dragon Ball. Other than exceptions for Zamasu, it's high-impossible for a verse with multiverse theory to become acausal.

XV isn't canon. Also, knowing Doctor, he'd just go back in time to prep, and come back to Skasis Paradigm him or some bull like that.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I'm limiting the fight between the TARDIS' capabilities, the Doctor is just here to pilot the TARDIS

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

So, the Tardis can do nothing but time travel and, like, ram into Black? Then yeah. Black stomps.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

So, the Tardis can do nothing but time travel and, like, ram into Black? Then yeah. Black stomps.

The TARDIS' has a tractor beam, can burn up Stars, and if it's accepted from the upgrade thread "It's possible that a TARDIS could visit these higher dimensions (11D) or even collapse it so that they could explore lesser ones."

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean, the profile states that those things are Star level

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

The tractor beam is Solar system level

 

[Candy_Vegetto]

Neutral universe for point 1. Time Ring is the reason it didn't affect them.
Goku is far from acausal. You yourself stated multiverse theory exists for Dragon Ball. Other than exceptions for Zamasu, it's high-impossible for a verse with multiverse theory to become acausal.

XV isn't canon. Also, knowing Doctor, he'd just go back in time to prep, and come back to Skasis Paradigm him or some bull like that.

The point is valid because of the neutral universe argument, I apologize for not reading through the original rules. If we are comparing the universes in terms of how the TARDIS can affect Goku's history, then the distorted multiverse theory negates it in the Dragon Ball world. So in that specific case, yes, Goku is acasual to TARDIS' attempts. Simply because in DB, that multiverse theory is only the rough draft of time explanation and how history works; Xenoverse shows incredibly inconsistency and lack of understanding on how time manipulation works, and basically creates unintentional hax on how people can be affected by changes in history. Which also, btw, anything under supervision and creation of Toryiama has validity as "canon" in the Dragon Ball world, despite inconsistencies in the plot caused by them (Think of the Arale crossovers, power inconsistencies mostly present in DB Super, and the missing tails from Trunks and Goten). Xenoverse 1 was supervised by Toryiama, and the example I used regarding Xenoverse 2 was a story that he gave the basic ideas for.* So when it comes to canon, you actually can't accurately dictate what is and isn't because Toryiama himself has never verified or denied any piece under his supervision or guidance with the term "canon". In fact, even with Super running, Toryiama labeled GT as a "side story" rather than confirming whether or not it exists as part of the main timeline. He has no intention of creating a real consistency in his universe, which means most logical rules are subject to fall in that realm depending on his wishes.

But yeah, in any case, Skasis Paradigm possibly stomps (it's very vague, considering the hax extent can be openly debated) and Goku Black stomps with the Time Ring in a neutral universe if the TARDIS can only manipulate time without the Doctor's startegy.

EDIT: Changed a little wording due to digging up the proof behind Xenoverse 2's story, where Toryiama only claimed to provide the story ideas behind it in his message regarding the Xenoverse 2 manga. Link: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtnDFdGWIAEKkSJ.jpg

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Could the Doctor tow Goku into a black hole and survive the return trip?

 

[Candy_Vegetto]

Could the Doctor tow Goku into a black hole and survive the return trip?

No, because SSG Goku and Beerus are proven to be universal busting level in the DBS anime. Goku Black in his SSJ Rose form is immensely stronger than SSG Goku, and can easily be argued above solar system level. In fact, he was still able to hold his own against an improved SSB Vegeta, who blew up an entire infinite dimension in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. I know you want to use 4-B for these characters, but star level is honestly a low tier analysis of DBS characters. Even if it's also not exactly unfair because of their power often being restricted to suit the plot of the story (IE, SSB Vegeta punching Black Goku into the ground with immense might and only causing a skyscraper to fall, but weakened final form Frieza can destroy that same planet from a small love tap).

 

[Kyo_Zero]

but weakened final form Frieza can destroy that same planet from a small love tap).

But it would take 5 minutes to blow up

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

So 4-B Goku Black can't survive black holes then?

 

[Candy_Vegetto]

So 4-B Goku Black can't survive black holes then?

No, but he'd casually destroy TARDIS before he had a chance to pull him into one.


EDIT: My mistake. Yes, 4-B Goku Black would lose in your specified scenario.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Huh. You're actually really respectful, @CV. I appreciate someone like that. I'd be happy to debate with you another day.

 

[Candy_Vegetto]

Huh. You're actually really respectful, @CV. I appreciate someone like that. I'd be happy to debate with you another day.

I try! There are some points I will attempt to refute, but I try to focus more on the presented arguments and keep an open mind to the logical process people have towards those conclusions. Where I can base some on fact, and the ones I make regarding their personal character, I disregard.

It's usually led to situations where people see that I enjoy debating for the sake of clashing opinions and the development/learning that comes from it. But there are other times where I may falter, so I do appreciate the discussion we had here and look forward to more with you as well!

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

So:

• TARDIS has 1 vote
• Goku Black has 5 votes
• No Inconclusive votes

Everyone okay with this?

 

[Legion350]

Goku Black for the above reasons.

 

[Quantu]

I mean Goku Black would end it before the black hole reasoning comes into effect. I vote for him

 

[Miles_Romero12]

7 votes for Black Goku.

 

[Koopi]

Yeah because a device that time travel can hurt Black Goku even though he's an acausality. Yeah going with Black Goku

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

That's 7. Before this gets added, should we wait for the upgrades to pass?