Goku and Vegeta fight a 10-B Human

[That_moron2]

It is not NLF. If you can resist having your soul completely destroyed, then you would obviously resist having it damaged by a spear.

This is like saying resisting EE gives you immortality and invulnerability btw

 

[GarrixianXD]

This is like saying resisting EE gives you immortality and invulnerability btw

I mentioned destruction, not merely erasure specifically.

 

[That_moron2]

I mentioned destruction, not merely erasure specifically.

Semantics. The overall message is the same

 

[Omegabronic]

It is not NLF. If you can resist having your soul completely destroyed, then you would obviously resist having it damaged by a spear.

Does me resisting EE or Matter manip on an atomic level make me "resist" getting punched in the face and splatted by a 60000000000x times AP difference?

You are comparing Apples to Oranges, there is no "better" here, they are just different in function

Existence Erasure is directly pertained to destruction in the case with Dragon Ball;

EE is destruction is general, so no, it is "in the case of DB", it is in EVERY case as destroying is literally what EE does

arguing that one can resist getting their body utterly destroyed, but can get killed by a stab simply because they weren't shown to be able to survive a stab, is incoherent.

no, it is basic logic, EE is not equivalent to being stabbed, so resist EEZ is completely worthless against a Stab that is much higher in AP than you

Though, discussing about this shit is irrelevant since Uta's soulhax doesn't seem to be damage based.

You didn't make that dinstinction earlier

Being destruction based is irrelevant, the type of destruction is what matters

So if Uta has Soul Destruction, it would work, IF it isn't Soul Erasure, Soul EE is all Goku resists for Soul destruction currently after all, not any other type of soul destruction stuff

 

[GarrixianXD]

Does me resisting EE or Matter manip on an atomic level make me "resist" getting punched in the face and splatted by a 60000000000x times AP difference?

You are comparing Apples to Oranges, there is no "better" here, they are just different in function

You're comparing apple to oranges. Soul stabbing and complete soul destruction are all soulhax variants; being able to resist complete soul destruction would logically make you resistant to your soul getting stabbed, because both variants all revolve around soul damage. AP is obviously different since it isn't a hax.

EE is destruction is general, so no, it is "in the case of DB", it is in EVERY case as destroying is literally what EE does

I'm pretty sure it isn't destruction in-general, which is why EE is listed as a hax ability that needs a UES to scale to physical statistics in the first place. Though, I do agree it is something that causes destruction in the Dragon Ball franchise which I did say.

no, it is basic logic, EE is not equivalent to being stabbed, so resist EEZ is completely worthless against a Stab that is much higher in AP than you

You didn't make that dinstinction earlier

Being destruction based is irrelevant, the type of destruction is what matters

So if Uta has Soul Destruction, it would work, IF it isn't Soul Erasure, Soul EE is all Goku resists for Soul destruction currently after all, not any other type of soul destruction stuff

I disagree. Both variants and techniques revolve around the concept of raw damage. Also, I literally said that it would be a different case if Uta's soul hax was some type of status effect inducement such as inducing it to sleep.

 

[That_moron2]

I disagree. Both variants and techniques revolve around the concept of raw damage. Also, I literally said that it would be a different case if Uta's soul hax was some type of status effect inducement such as inducing it to sleep.

It is status effect inducement

 

[Omegabronic]

You're comparing apple to oranges. Soul stabbing and complete soul destruction are all soulhax variants

which doesn't matter at all, as that is EXACTLY my point "they are both soul manip" cool cool, how does resisting Erasure make you resist someone pulling it apart with TK for example? How is EE comparable to someone eating a digesting a it for example?

Them being the same type of hax doesn't matter, that is exctly the point, a hax can be done is several specific ways, resisting memory wipe doesn't give you mind control resistance even tho both are mind manip, that isn't, never was and never will be how this works, one scales to what they have been shown to do with a hax, the exact same applies to one's resistances

; being able to resist complete soul destruction would logically make you resistant to your soul getting stabbed, because both variants all revolve around soul damage. AP is obviously different since it isn't a hax.

Nope, since the method of stabbing is the same in both, nothing changes, a stab doesn't erase the soul in this scenario, so it isn'r comparable, ripping a soul apart with one's bare hands also isn't erasure, eating a soul also isn't erasure

I'm pretty sure it isn't destruction in-general, which is why EE is listed as a hax ability that needs a UES to scale to physical statistics in the first place.

Non-Sequitur, it not scalling to physicals means literally nothing

it is still objectively desteuction, this isn't up to debate, it is destruction and the only way one can say it isn't is by being pedandic or using semantics

Though, I do agree it is something that causes destruction in the Dragon Ball franchise which I did say.

I never said this for you to agree with. It is destruction in ALL VERSES, that is literally what erasing is to begin with

I disagree. Both variants and techniques revolve around the concept of raw damage.

no they aren't, EE doesn't damage the same way a punch damages, nor does it in the same way as a soul being split, or broke apart by deconstruction

You are simply wrong here

Also, I literally said that it would be a different case if Uta's soul hax was some type of status effect inducement such as inducing it to sleep.

No, you didn't, you specified nothing and was on general "interaction" of any kind

I'm pretty sure it still applies; Soul Manipulation defines one's ability to resist their souls being lethally interacted; Goku and Vegeta can resist their souls being destroyed, meaning interaction with their souls won't do much. Though, if this is some kind of Status Effect Inducement then is a different story, but if it's correlated to raw soul damage/interaction then I see no reason why Goku and Vegeta won't resist their "their souls getting captured".

You didn't specified, you said any type of soul interaction, ANY, i don't know why you are changing your argument all of a sudden

Status inducement =/= soul manip, you simply said that another hax would work since Goku and Vegeta do not resist it. That's all, nothing about "other type of Soul manip", cause you talked about Soul Manip in general being resisted

 

[GarrixianXD]

Dawg, I do not need you to twist and misinterpret my arguments. I know what I'm saying; sure, could've been more clear but I obviously know my own stance. And like I said already, discussing that shit is irrelevant now; I already conceded that Goku and Vegeta might not resist Uta's hax because of sleep manipulation and the different effects of her soulhax. End of the story.

 

[BoastJr]

How instantaneous is the sleep Hax ?

If Goku and Vegeta needs less then a second to fall asleep they can still fire a stray ki blast at her

This was also done against Hit when goku have his heart punched through

 

[That_moron2]

How instantaneous is the sleep Hax ?

Pretty much instant. Its not gradual or anything