Gojo jjk vs thragg Invincible (Comics)

[AyOgUyS]

dont see why gojo wouldnt go for unlimited void as soon as his normal stuff dsoent work. Arent viltrumites egos through the roof too? if thragg tries insta speedblitzing thragg and it fails, i dont see why gojo would think hes way above his level in at least some way.

in the time it takes gojo to move a single centimeter, thragg can probably circle the earth 83216 times. UV is never landing unless thragg decides to just stand still for a century for some reason

 

[XxZetsuxX]

No it isn't my dude, at all.
That's not how it works here, that's not how it will ever work here.
Perception/reaction speed is how we rate that. You're very clearly confusing characters who can bolster their innate perception on top of that (Link, Raiden, etc.) with an ability, as needing an ability at all to perceive things slow. You don't, you just need to be have a specific speed value.

I am 99.999999999999999999999% sure this is not how the wiki treats incredibly fast reactions and perceptions but I'll let more knowledgeable people speak on that

"The timeframe it takes for a character to notice an event or reaction. But crucially, this does not grant any movement; at most, it allows the user to activate a thought-based ability."

 

[Chariot190]

dont see why gojo wouldnt go for unlimited void as soon as his normal stuff dsoent work.

How would he know? He'd be dead. Gojo in the absolute best case situation, gets one (single) hit in if Thragg is being generous, and then it's Thragg's turn and he runs through all his options and kills Gojo via ED or collateral before Gojo's synapses even fire once.

Arent viltrumites egos through the roof too?

Being egotistical doesn't mean you're dumb, careless or stupid dude, where did you get that from?
The very fact they send people to planets is so they can have one infiltrate defenses, bypass risks, and root out any problems without compromising themselves or put themselves in needless danger.

Like man, Nolan's WHOLE JOB was to systematically nip problems in the bud, some of which he said screw fighting them and screwed the whole planet up instead to kill them off; they don't just eat attacks for fun if they aren't sure they can take them, except for Conquest, but he's actually called out for that in how he views his own fights like a game and doesn't take it seriously.

if thragg tries insta speedblitzing thragg and it fails, i dont see why gojo would think hes way above his level in at least some way.

Uh, that's the problem, it won't fail?
Thragg could throw a quintillion punches, fly around the planet, lift the whole continent up and into space, all before Gojo even realizes "oh my punch didn't work".

 

[Chariot190]

"The timeframe it takes for a character to notice an event or reaction. But crucially, this does not grant any movement; at most, it allows the user to activate a thought-based ability."

"Reaction speed is defined as a single movement in a defined timeframe, which a character has been shown capable of. A series of movements in similar timeframes makes this combat speed, so this term should only be applied for a single, quick movement. Examples include ducking backwards to dodge bullets and diving away to dodge extremely fast vehicles. When measured in terms of a single movement of often undefined, small distance, humans have displayed between 300 milliseconds (below average human) to 100 milliseconds (peak human) reactions. Autonomous body reactions for humans can also reach as high as 40 milliseconds, but this is oftentimes inapplicable to reaction speed and shouldn't be used.

Perception speed refers to a character's ability to quickly process and understand sensory information. Unlike reaction speed, it's about the initial intake of data, not any subsequent actions, so perception speed doesn't encompass decision-making or actions beyond the initial sensory processing; characters with a perception speed higher than their reaction speed would be able to notice something without necessarily being able to dodge it."

Yeah cool thankfully Thragg's speed also applies to literally every single speed category

 

[Jaynic1]

He also often completely mauls and murders people before they even get a chance to blink.
Context matters.
Him letting a known target get a hit in out of respect isn't the same as letting complete actual fodder throw hands on him. He even teaches his kids this in general fight training.

This also doesn't matter, Gojo doesn't lead with UV, Gojo's first hit will be completely completely different, in which Thragg will kindly immediately respond with retaliation back even in your best case situation, realize this dude is borderline untouchable, and just say aight screw this and circumvent the fight entirely before Gojo gets a follow up or can realize "oh this dude is a tank".

What’s stopping gojo’s first attack whether it be blue or red from spawning inside thrash?

 

[ByArrow]

Why does everyone here assume that Thragg’s perception is always at full speed? What I mean is, yes, he’s thousands of times faster, but Thragg’s perception doesn’t operate at maximum speed all the time like Red Rush’s does. As long as he isn’t using his super-speed, he perceives the world just like a normal person.

 

[Chariot190]

What’s stopping gojo’s first attack whether it be blue or red from spawning inside thrash?

The trillion times speed gap, the very fact you just had to say "or", the fact you're arguing maybes isn't exactly good either. "What if Gojo uses a specific move that might work?", and what if he doesn't? He's dead now.
If Gojo needs to pick and choose his one free hit, you're already arguing a stack of what ifs before the match even started.

And that's best case, it's just as, if not more likely because why would Thragg care enough to let some random human waste his time, that Thragg attacks first and blitzes.

Also the fact half of Gojo's kit wouldn't do anything? Thragg's internals are still exponentially beyond the pull and force of those attacks.

Why does everyone here assume that Thragg’s perception is always at full speed? What I mean is, yes, he’s thousands of times faster, but Thragg’s perception doesn’t operate at maximum speed all the time like Red Rush’s does. As long as he isn’t using his super-speed, he perceives the world just like a normal person.

Not how it works, I pray you're not talking about the old handbook that we've had CRTs to discredit and by our own wiki standards ain't even usable given the writers involved. Especially given they've reacted to MFTL stuff at a stand still.
Hell not even MFTL, by your logic they can be blitzed by basic stuff like subsonic, which is blatantly not true given we've seen them react to surprise explosions for example from nothing.

 

[Planck69]

"The timeframe it takes for a character to notice an event or reaction. But crucially, this does not grant any movement; at most, it allows the user to activate a thought-based ability."

We do not need a CRT for acknowledging perception speed difference is a thing, this is a ridiculous line of reasoning.

Anyways, Thragg wins. He's not waiting eons to think "this dude needs air, lemme set that on fire".

 

[ByArrow]

Not how it works,

Kinda it is.

I pray you're not talking about the old handbook that we've had CRTs to discredit and by our own wiki standards din't even usable given the writers involved.

I don’t even know what are you talking about.

Especially given they've reacted to MFTL stuff at a stand still.
Hell not even MFTL, by your logic they can be blitzed by basic stuff like subsonic, which is blatantly not true given we've seen them react to surprise explosions for example from nothing.

No. Of course, they can react to suprise explosions. Even if an attack is launched at the speed of light, they are going to perceive it as completely frozen.

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. What I mean is, they don’t constantly perceive the world as frozen because their senses don’t always operate at that speed. If something happens very quickly—like an explosion—they’ll perceive it and see it as frozen, but if there’s no such situation, they perceive the world just like ordinary people do.

What I mean is that when they talk to a person, billions of years don’t pass for them, and they perceive the conversation just like a normal person would.

What I mean is, if Thragg doesn’t actively want it, billions of years won’t pass for him while Gojo is performing his hand gestures at the start of the battle.

 

[Chariot190]

Kinda it is.

Then make a thread.

I don’t even know what are you talking about.

That's not really something you should be admitting tho?

No. Of course, they can react to suprise explosions. Even if an attack is launched at the speed of light, they are going to perceive it as completely frozen.

Yep.

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. What I mean is, they don’t constantly perceive the world as frozen because their senses don’t always operate at that speed. If something happens very quickly—like an explosion—they’ll perceive it and see it as frozen, but if there’s no such situation, they perceive the world just like ordinary people do.

"Every viltrumite has automated perception that just so happens to auto act and just so happens to know, instinctively, when it should throttle because...".

Yeah no, we're not arguing headcanon here.

What I mean is that when they talk to a person, billions of years don’t pass for them, and they perceive the conversation just like a normal person would.

Talking is a free action, in Invincible, 99% of the time it's done with superspeed telepathy anyway but that doesn't matter.

Are you actually arguing basic writing tropes somehow act as a specific throttle speed cap ability that's perfectly automated?

What I mean is, if Thragg doesn’t actively want it, billions of years won’t pass for him while Gojo is performing his hand gestures at the start of the battle.

Yeah no. Your headcanon isn't a secret ability they have not indexed.

Make a wiki wide CRT to apply this to quite literally every verse ever as to make an excuse for why Thragg just so happens to be quadrillions of times to slow to react to basic stuff while having already admitted in context he and others can perceive things slow motion, reacting just fine, even though, in your own words, Thragg has human perception "unless he wants it".

The issue here is blatantly obvious, how in the world is he reacting or perceiving said ultra fast things while blindsided or from a standstill if, in your own words, at that instance his perception was only human level?
The thing in question would have completely blitzed him before he got the chance to "turn his speed" on or whatever absurdity you're arguing here because in your own words he has to turn it on and before he does so he's human level and thus would have been incapable in the same way a normal human could be shot at or nuked and they would NEVER be able to react in time to throttle some secret power.
Your whole point is incoherent, makes no sense, and your own concessions stop it even being possible without turning into a contradictory oxymoron.

 

[Planck69]

Even assuming all that nonsense about Thragg's selective perception exists and is correct (it is not), he knows he is in a fight. Why would he arbitrarily slow himself?

 

[Jaynic1]

The trillion times speed gap, the very fact you just had to say "or", the fact you're arguing maybes isn't exactly good either

whether he uses blue or red makes no difference here.

. "What if Gojo uses a specific move that might work?", and what if he doesn't?

It’s an ability he has and with the six eyes he’ll know Thragg has no innate domain making this possible. Using blue first thing isn’t that specific, only using it internally really is and that’s because every opponent he uses it on resists it

He's dead now.

Thragg has no way to kill him. Toss him in space? Infinity will stop the ground from reaching him. Make the sure inhospitable? The heat won’t do anything, and he can long range teleport to get to an area with breathable air.

If Gojo needs to pick and choose his one free hit,

The pick and choose is between red or blue, his basic attacks. But let’s just say he used blue first as that’s more consistent

you're already arguing a stack of what ifs before the match even started.

If I say a martial artist starts a fight with a punch or a kick it’s a what if stacked? The only if here is using it inside Thragg which gojo has no reason not to.

And that's best case, it's just as, if not more likely because why would Thragg care enough to let some random human waste his time, that Thragg attacks first and blitzes.

Can’t do anything with that blitz

Also the fact half of Gojo's kit wouldn't do anything? Thragg's internals are still exponentially beyond the pull and force of those attacks.

Didn’t robot kill an alt mark by making him ingest an explosive.

 

[Kellex]

Thragg FRA if it isn't a stomp.

 

[Hecky2222]

changing my vote to Thragg

 

[Chariot190]

whether he uses blue or red makes no difference here.

Except it does.
Blue's pull isn't remotely strong enough to impede Thragg even if used internally. It'd be like a slight jostling at best, like if someone pushed you a lil and your organs jostled because you moved slightly.
Red is the same inversely.

It’s an ability he has and with the six eyes he’ll know Thragg has no innate domain making this possible.

Ignoring that assumes he gets a chance, Red and Blue's force are completely useless here unless they exert Class Z levels.

Using blue first thing isn’t that specific, only using it internally really is and that’s because every opponent he uses it on resists it

As above.
Just as likely Gojo throws a punch too but either way.

Thragg has no way to kill him.

Shear the atmosphere.
Set the exosphere on fire.
Create a vacuum.
Throw the continent into space.
Etc.

Toss him in space? Infinity will stop the ground from reaching him.

Go read what I said again in my first message here and come back.

Make the sure inhospitable? The heat won’t do anything,

Radiation, sound, light, etc.

and he can long range teleport to get to an area with breathable air.

Teleport where dude? He can shear the whole planet.

The pick and choose is between red or blue, his basic attacks. But let’s just say he used blue first as that’s more consistent

So nothing because it doesn't remotely exert enough force to even shear a vein?

If I say a martial artist starts a fight with a punch or a kick it’s a what if stacked?

It is if the kick has a special property the punch doesn't and in this case the kick is the only viable option.

The only if here is using it inside Thragg which gojo has no reason not to.

Well for starters, why would he?
The hypocrisy gere for "oh Thragg would sit on his ass and ket Gojo run a gauntlet" is beyond ironic, why would Gojo do that against just some buff dude?
If you're pushing the "oh he wants to win real bad!", applies to Thragg too so Gojo never even gets a chance.

Can’t do anything with that blitz

He can LITERALLY rip the planet in half or throw the land mass into the sun dude.

Didn’t robot kill an alt mark by making him ingest an explosive.

Yeah a tier 5 quantum sound explosive and wasn't even sure it'd work because while less, they're still impossibly durable within. The internals are literally quadrillions of times above Gojo's output still either way. Thragg is also multiple gores above that Mark too in fact isn't there a statement saying viltrumites are so tough Eve can't just matter nuke them because their entire atomic binding is to tough?.

 

[ByArrow]

What I'm talking about here isn't a headcanon—it's an issue with speedsters in all fictional works. That's why the Speedsters are broken.

Normally, they should perceive the entire world as frozen, but they don’t; however, when there’s an explosion, they can perceive it.

In the series, the Viltrumians were not portrayed as constantly perceiving the world in slow motion or as frozen, as Red Rush.

I’m not saying that Thragg wouldn’t perceive Gojo as frozen. I’m saying that if Thragg underestimates Gojo and decides to let him make his hand gestures, he won’t wait for thousands of years.

Instead of searching the world, Omni-Man waited for William to tell where is Mark for thousands of years.

 

[Keshirou]

Gojo FRA

 

[Chariot190]

What I'm talking about here isn't a headcanon—it's an issue with speedsters in all fictional works. That's why the Speedsters are broken.

So headcanon.

Normally, they should perceive the entire world as frozen, but they don’t; however, when there’s an explosion, they can perceive it.

So headcanon

In the series, the Viltrumians were not portrayed as constantly perceiving the world in slow motion or as frozen, as Red Rush.

Except when they do.

I’m not saying that Thragg wouldn’t perceive Gojo as frozen. I’m saying that if Thragg underestimates Gojo and decides to let him make his hand gestures, he won’t wait for thousands of years.

You are literally arguing it in real time, that's exactly what you're saying.

Instead of searching the world, Omni-Man waited for William to tell where is Mark for thousands of years.

Yep. Ironically quicker too.
Let's say he moves at 1,000,000c, it would take him 1.7 seconds to cover ever square meter of Earth looking for Mark, who could also be moving, and could ALSO be inside a building or something where scanning won't help, so Nolan would need to check millions of buildings, even if we limit it to just America, that would increase time and area needed to cover an absolute shit ton.
But that also risks ludicrous collateral Nolan really did not want (he even says himself, hell in comic his killcount was super low because of it), he'd ruin the whole planet too, killing billions at that speed, undercut his whole plan given he needs the earth in decent condition, and it'd be obnoxious like be real actually more demanding of him then waiting 3 seconds irl time.

Factor in that scene is show only too...

 

[Jaynic1]

Except it does.
Blue's pull isn't remotely strong enough to impede Thragg even if used internally. It'd be like a slight jostling at best, like if someone pushed you a lil and your organs jostled because you moved slightly.
Red is the same inversely.

A small explosion was able to kill an alt mark because he ingested it. I don’t believe Viltrumites internals scale when to their durability when it’s clearly portrayed as weaker

Ignoring that assumes he gets a chance, Red and Blue's force are completely useless here unless they exert Class Z levels.

He gets a chance because Thragg has no way to kill him

As above.
Just as likely Gojo throws a punch too but either way.

Not really. Against the coat rack guy, toji and clone guy he opened with blue. He didn’t against jogo cuz he needed info and didn’t against sukuna cuz they were feeling each other out. More times than not gojo’s first attack is blue.

Shear the atmosphere.
Set the exosphere on fire.
Create a vacuum.
Throw the continent into space.

He isn’t doing any of those things because per sba he’s in character and will find earth too valuable. This was brought up earlier
And the continent one wouldn’t even work, gojo applies his infinity to the ground.

Etc.

Go read what I said again in my first message here and come back.

Radiation, sound, light, etc.

Teleport where dude? He can shear the whole planet.

Can but won’t

So nothing because it doesn't remotely exert enough force to even shear a vein?

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Well for starters, why would he?
The hypocrisy gere for "oh Thragg would sit on his ass and ket Gojo run a gauntlet" is beyond ironic, why would Gojo do that against just some buff dude?
If you're pushing the "oh he wants to win real bad!", applies to Thragg too so Gojo never even gets a chance.

Thragg has no other choice. He can’t cause mass destruction to earth since he finds earth too valuable. His only option would be to throw the ground gojo’s standing on but gojo’s infinity is always applied to the ground too. Thragg has no wincon

He can LITERALLY rip the planet in half or throw the land mass into the sun dude.

Above

Yeah a tier 5 quantum sound explosive and wasn't even sure it'd work because while less, they're still impossibly durable within. The internals are literally quadrillions of times above Gojo's output still either way.

if that’s what it took then it’s a draw then. I just remembered it as a bomb.

 

[Jaynic1]

If you’re voting based of Thragg destroying the planet then read the first page

 

[Chariot190]

A small explosion was able to kill an alt mark because he ingested it.

Yep. A tier 5 bomb.

I don’t believe Viltrumites internals scale when to their durability when it’s clearly portrayed as weaker

What you believe doesn't matter, and I don't mean that to be rude: If you don't like it, go make a CRT to change it because what you're arguing is very much not how it's accepted, and while you're at it, explain the hundreds of times tier 5 shockwaves and more that pass through their bodies and they don't instantly drop dead.

He gets a chance because Thragg has no way to kill him

Except:
Excessive radiation from environmental destruction.
Turning the entire area into a vacuum.
Setting the atmosphere and oxygen he breathes on fire.
Throwing the shit he stands on into space.
Etc.

Not really. Against the coat rack guy, toji and clone guy he opened with blue.

"He didn't here", is not "he hasn't or won't".
It means his leads are inconsistent.

He didn’t against jogo cuz he needed info and didn’t against sukuna cuz they were feeling each other out. More times than not gojo’s first attack is blue.

Context matters.
What is Gojo's lead on people without CE he assumes are generally not absurd?

He isn’t doing any of those things because per sba he’s in character and will find earth too valuable. This was brought up earlier

Uh what? Thragg wants Earth gone in character anyway.
You're confusing Thragg when he first shows up with end of comic Thrag. He literally could not give less of a shit about the planet.

And the continent one wouldn’t even work, gojo applies his infinity to the ground.

Yeah, no, nice try.
Gojo's range on that isn't even remotely large enough to stop Thragg from picking up the tectonic plate and everything above it and throwing it into orbit. You're acting like he's gonna lift a perfect lil 1m AoE around Gojo instead of the entire chunk of land he's on.

Can but won’t

Can but will because he doesn't give a shit, wants Gojo gone, wants to win, and his other options don't work so he's forced to either way?
Even IF Thragg doesn't want Earth gone, SBA makes him do it anyway as a last resort in the same vain SBA would make Batman kill of nothing else works.

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Not a rebuttal.

Thragg has no other choice. He can’t cause mass destruction to earth since he finds earth too valuable.

Let me just tell Kirk to rewrite the end of invincible ig.

His only option would be to throw the ground gojo’s standing on but gojo’s infinity is always applied to the ground too.

Me and you both know it doesn't encompass anything but the lil chunk he stands on, I'm not humoring this.

Thragg has no wincon

Except even if we run with every incoherent argument you've made.
Literally just him moving to fast and setting the atmosphere on fire burning all the oxygen in a giant AoE would work given Gojo's teleportation range isn't remotely planetary.

The fact Thragg actually has like a dozen options and you're simply trying to deny them whether or not they'd fail is besides the point.

Above

Yep, not a sufficient argument.

if that’s what it took then it’s a draw then. I just remembered it as a bomb.

A bomb from a tier 5 character?
Why would you think Gojo's doing anything would even be on the table? Thragg's internals could be a billion times weaker even and it STILL would be to high for Gojo.

 

[Jaynic1]

Yep. A tier 5 bomb.

What you believe doesn't matter, and I don't mean that to be rude: If you don't like it, go make a CRT to change it because what you're arguing is very much not how it's accepted, and while you're at it, explain the hundreds of times tier 5 shockwaves and more that pass through their bodies and they don't instantly drop dead.

I acknowledged it won’t work already

Except:
Excessive radiation from environmental destruction.
Turning the entire area into a vacuum.
Setting the atmosphere and oxygen he breathes on fire.
Throwing the shit he stands on into space.
Etc.

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"He didn't here", is not "he hasn't or won't".
It means his leads are inconsistent.

So we use the one he leads with the most.

Context matters.
What is Gojo's lead on people without CE he assumes are generally not absurd?

In this situation he knows he can harm him

Uh what? Thragg wants Earth gone in character anyway.
You're confusing Thragg when he first shows up with end of comic Thrag. He literally could not give less of a shit about the planet.

Then Thragg stomps, but I’ll address the rest of your comment.

Yeah, no, nice try.
Gojo's range on that isn't even remotely large enough to stop Thragg from picking up the tectonic plate and everything above it and throwing it into orbit. You're acting like he's gonna lift a perfect lil 1m AoE around Gojo instead of the entire chunk of land he's on.

Maybe if it was the planet being moved but if it’s just a continent then his infinity will recognize the ground under him is being moved and will protect gojo. Doesn’t need to cover the range of a tectonic plate, just that 1m

Can but will because he doesn't give a shit, wants Gojo gone, wants to win, and his other options don't work so he's forced to either way?
Even IF Thragg doesn't want Earth gone, SBA makes him do it anyway as a last resort in the same vain SBA would make Batman kill of nothing else works.

I see.

Not a rebuttal.

It was acknowledgement

Let me just tell Kirk to rewrite the end of invincible ig.

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Me and you both know it doesn't encompass anything but the lil chunk he stands on, I'm not humoring this.

above. The other shit will work but throwing the continent up won’t.

Except even if we run with every incoherent argument you've made.
Literally just him moving to fast and setting the atmosphere on fire burning all the oxygen in a giant AoE would work given Gojo's teleportation range isn't remotely planetary.

None of my arguments were incoherent. The premise was that any mass destruction Thragg would do would be localized as he finds earth too valuable. Since this isn’t newly arrived Thragg the premise was wrong.

The fact Thragg actually has like a dozen options and you're simply trying to deny them whether or not they'd fail is besides the point.

Chucking the ground won’t work that’s for sure🖲

Yep, not a sufficient argument.

A bomb from a tier 5 character?
Why would you think Gojo's doing anything would even be on the table? Thragg's internals could be a billion times weaker even and it STILL would be too high for Gojo.

So gojo can’t hurt Thragg while Thragg will have no reservations about destroying earth. Then this is a stomp

 

[Chariot190]

I acknowledged it won’t work already

While also arguing against it.

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Not a rebuttal.

So we use the one he leads with the most.

Context matters and no, the very fact there's a massive chance Gojo doesn't even lead with that simply means "massive chance Gojo screws up and dies even in the best case".

That's the furthest possible thing from a "reliable/consistent" lead and "wins majority" if there's a hefty chance he pucks wrong before the match even starts.

In this situation he knows he can harm him

No he doesn't? He doesn't have prior knowledge, six eyes isn't omniscience. Like yeah he can tell Thragg doesn't have CE. And?
Would Gojo instant slime max power phase blue inside what he perceives as a normal school girl or something too?

That's rhetorical, hell no he wouldn't
For ones who kept arguing "Thragg wouldn't do this" you sure keep ignoring Gojo isn't a batshit crazy psychopath and would likely try to incap a normal non-CE human first before doing what's been suggested here (from what he can tell at a glance before Thragg starts doing shit, but if Thragg starts doing shit he loses so either way).

Then Thragg stomps, but I’ll address the rest of your comment.

Hey you've been arguing it, not me.

Maybe if it was the planet being moved but if it’s just a continent then his infinity will recognize the ground under him is being moved and will protect gojo. Doesn’t need to cover the range of a tectonic plate, just that 1m

He can LITERALLY rip the planet in half and move the planet too but ignoring that...
Also your argument is incoherent.
"If he moves THIS amount of land ok but not this OTHER amount that's just as big comparatively to the best feat he even has doing this".

You know how I know this is completely wrong? The fact Gojo's lil chunk of ground isn't dislodged into space normally at like 100km/s simply due to earth's rotation around the sun.

The way you're treating this, Gojo and his lil chunk of rock would, quite literally, screw themselves over just collaterally because the planet and land is moving anyway regardless of Thragg at cosmic speeds. Evidently, the lil chunk Gojo stands on is connected and moves with the surrounding land too. There is no "maybe" here, it's demonstrably observable.

I see.

It was acknowledgement

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Then actually concede instead of continuing to argue it.

above. The other shit will work but throwing the continent up won’t.

Going by your own logic, Gojo defeats himself because his lil chunk of rock gets ejected into space just from the planet's natural pathing.

Not that I have to argue a NLF like that, or an oxymoron, or even given you already admitted moving the planet would work, there's no difference between the planet and any other sufficiently large chunk of landmass, if one is true, both are, it's completely arbitrary distinction.

None of my arguments were incoherent.

Your very current argument is incoherent, and just stacks of arbitrary distinctions between chunks of land that don't even apply visibly.

The premise was that any mass destruction Thragg would do would be localized as he finds earth too valuable.

Even localized would be enough, Gojo's range or speed isn't remotely enough to escape in time if he decides half of asia has to go.

Since this isn’t newly arrived Thragg the premise was wrong.

It would still be wrong. SBA forces factors to happen should it be required yo win, they know it has to happen, and there's no other option.

That Batman kill example wasn't hyperbole; in a match Batman will kill. It won't be his first option, or 3rd, or even 50th, yet if Batman knows nothing else will work besides killing, he will act on it even though normally he never would.
Thragg would do the same because he can literally run through every option he has before being forced to do that in lack of other options due to speed gap.

Chucking the ground won’t work that’s for sure🖲

Hey real quick, show me the largest range Gojo's funny ground meme encompasses, and then explain why his lil chunk moves around with the rest of the land anyway?

So gojo can’t hurt Thragg while Thragg will have no reservations about destroying earth. Then this is a stomp

You were told that but kept arguing it anyway.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Isn't this match a Stomp? Since its in character for Thragg to destroy Earth...

 

[Jaynic1]

While also arguing against it.

Not a rebuttal.

Context matters and no, the very fact there's a massive chance Gojo doesn't even lead with that simply means "massive chance Gojo screws up and dies even in the best case".

Per sba he knows losing will have dire consequences. He isn’t treating Thragg like a civ.

That's the furthest possible thing from a "reliable/consistent" lead and "wins majority" if there's a hefty chance he pucks wrong before the match even starts.

No he doesn't? He doesn't have prior knowledge, six eyes isn't omniscience. Like yeah he can tell Thragg doesn't have CE. An

sba

Would Gojo instant slime max power phase blue inside what he perceives as a normal school girl or something too?

Losing to a normal school girl will have dire consequences?

That's rhetorical, hell no he wouldn't
For ones who kept arguing "Thragg wouldn't do this" you sure keep ignoring Gojo isn't a batshit crazy psychopath and would likely try to incap a normal non-CE human first before doing what's been suggested here (from what he can tell at a glance before Thragg starts doing shit, but if Thragg starts doing shit he loses so either way).

Hey you've been arguing it, not me.

He can LITERALLY rip the planet in half and move the planet too but ignoring that...
Also your argument is incoherent.
"If he moves THIS amount of land ok but not this OTHER amount that's just as big comparatively to the best feat he even has doing this".

You know how I know this is completely wrong? The fact Gojo's lil chunk of ground isn't dislodged into space normally at like 100km/s simply due to earth's rotation around the sun.

and you think Thragg dragging a continent at lightspeed will have gojo effectively stationary like the earth’s rotation?

The way you're treating this, Gojo and his lil chunk of rock would, quite literally, screw themselves over just collaterally because the planet

I said continent not planet.

and land is moving anyway regardless of Thragg at cosmic speeds.

Evidently, the lil chunk Gojo stands on is connected and moves with the surrounding land too. There is no "maybe" here, it's demonstrably observable.

A continent being lifted is nit the same as the planets rotation, this is nonsense. You’d be actively moving away from the earths gravity.

Then actually concede instead of continuing to argue it.

I thought the last part of a message took priority as the conclusion. But yes as I said page 1, thragg having no concern for earth makes this matchup definitive.

Going by your own logic, Gojo defeats himself because his lil chunk of rock gets ejected into space just from the planet's natural pathing.

Nonsense fra

Not that I have to argue a NLF like that, or an oxymoron, or even given you already admitted moving the planet would work, there's no difference between the planet and any other sufficiently large chunk of landmass, if one is true, both are, it's completely arbitrary distinction.

Why on earth do you think a suddenly acceleration to lightspeed moving against the earth’s gravity won’t be felt. These aren’t arbitrary distinctions.

Your very current argument is incoherent, and just stacks of arbitrary distinctions between chunks of land that don't even apply visibly.

Even localized would be enough, Gojo's range or speed isn't remotely enough to escape in time if he decides half of asia has to go.

Asia will go, gojo will stay in place.

It would still be wrong. SBA forces factors to happen should it be required yo win, they know it has to happen, and there's no other option.

That Batman kill example wasn't hyperbole; in a match Batman will kill. It won't be his first option, or 3rd, or even 50th, yet if Batman knows nothing else will work besides killing, he will act on it even though normally he never would.
Thragg would do the same because he can literally run through every option he has before being forced to do that in lack of other options due to speed gap.

I see

Hey real quick, show me the largest range Gojo's funny ground meme encompasses, and then explain why his lil chunk moves around with the rest of the land anyway?

Explained above. A sudden acceleration upward will be felt

You were told that but kept arguing it anyway.

after knowing it was a tier 5 bomb I said it’s a draw, after knowing Thragg won’t care about earth here I said he stomps.

 

[Chariot190]

Per sba he knows losing will have dire consequences. He isn’t treating Thragg like a civ.

Which is to say you can't actually prove it and your entire lane of argumentation thus far now needs to change because it was arguing based on what he's actually done, not what he'd do if you tweaked him.

Ok now apply that to Thragg.

sba

As above, apply it to Thragg now too.

Losing to a normal school girl will have dire consequences?

Sure, how would he know? He isn't omniscient. Which is my point, without Thragg doing something, his own ability screws him over because it'd give him a false positive that Thragg is fodder based on his perception and knowledge of what bolsters power.

and you think Thragg dragging a continent at lightspeed will have gojo effectively stationary like the earth’s rotation?

You clearly don't know how this works.
Your OWN argument would result in Gojo being FLUNG into space with the chunk of rock he's on because PER YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS "that rock would stay stationary even if everything else got lifted".
If that was even SLIGHTLY true, then the instant Gojo does that, he is being ejected into space because the land he and his special lil ground zone are touching is hurtling through space at cosmic velocities.

Your own argument is completely incoherent and you seemingly don't even get why.

Anyway yes, he would actually, because Gojo isn't light speed and it'd happen before Gojo could even react to it occuring.

I said continent not planet.

I know and I'm saying to bad?
You don't get to arbitrarily pick, there's no real difference here at this scale.

There is no difference between a planet, a continent, a country, or even a mere few hundred meter chunk of land here given what Gojo is actually capable of.

Any and all would work. It doesn't matter if Gojo is rooted to the ground if the ground he's rooted to is attached to other ground that gets thrown into orbit. And don't try to act like it's impossible, we've seen the environment Gojo is surrounded by get destabilized by far less.

No, your excuse doesn't work. If you don't understand that the land is constantly in motion, your whole argument falls apart.
If Gojo and his lil chunk become unmovable, even if the land around them moves, cool, then he dies anyway because he gets left behind as the land and continent move at cosmic speeds without him and he BFRs himself and probably dies in the vacuum of space.

A continent being lifted is nit the same as the planets rotation, this is nonsense. You’d be actively moving away from the earths gravity.

Except a continent has its own gravity, everything with mass does.
I am going to ignore you just admitted something as basic as gravity gets through infinity because that opens the path to a million different kill conditions, and say:
If Thragg legitimately lifted the continent into space, the landmass would still have its own gravitational pull.
I'm also going to ignore that you just shot your own argument in the foot because the planet's rotation I'm discussing involves the sun's gravitational pull, not Earth's.
And I'm also going to assume you know well enough that Infinity has nothing to do with gravity, if it did that would make unironically dozens of scenes in JJK incomprehensible, all because you're trying to argue something not even hinted at, as being true.

I thought the last part of a message took priority as the conclusion. But yes as I said page 1, thragg having no concern for earth makes this matchup definitive.

No, it doesn't.
Don't go "oh I conceded but I also write a whole reply anyway", if you concede stop arguing for the sake of it?.
Like what's the goal there?

Nonsense fra

If you legitimately have no idea the basic science of this all. Stop arguing.
Your argument is but contradictory oxymorons that can't all simultaneously be true as several go.against each other fundamentally, and because you don't actually have a rebuttal to it or an actual explanation without resorting to headcanon, all you can do is call it nonsense because it's a direct observable inconsistency to your claim.

Why on earth do you think a suddenly acceleration to lightspeed moving against the earth’s gravity won’t be felt. These aren’t arbitrary distinctions.

For the same reason you don't feel yourself hurtling through space at 100kms, also the fact it's happening a billion times quicker than Gojo can feel anything is another good one, also since when was the qualifier for infinity "to be felt"? It aint, never was too.
And that's an excuse. Where exactly does it show Gojo's lil rock platform being completely distanct from the landmass he's on despite the fact that if true and it truly was immovable relative to the other land, he would unironically be left behind in space, and given you're arguing gravity gets past him, nothing a lil bit of a trillion g forces can't handle now.

Asia will go, gojo will stay in place.

Yeah I'm not doing this with you, where's the feat of Gojo doing this?

Not withstanding that would create a massive vacuum which would kill Gojo anyway given a continent was just ejected out into space at phenomenal speeds, but alas.

I see

Explained above. A sudden acceleration upward will be felt

"If you ignore how infinity works, ignore basic physics, observable evidence, and the obvious contradictions, while also making Gojo a trillion times faster so he can "feel it", something might happen".

after knowing it was a tier 5 bomb I said it’s a draw, after knowing Thragg won’t care about earth here I said he stomps.

And yet you keep arguing your NLF that is demonstrably not remotely true anyway.

 

[Planck69]

Almost the entire argument for Gojo seems to be either NLF, headcanon or the assumption that Thragg is lobotomized pre-fight. Honestly, the more I look at it the more stompish it seems.

Gojo has never done that "root himself to the ground stuff". Ever. It's pure headcanon that doesn't need to be entertained. He's never opened with internal organ crush on what is functionally a normal human to him, and that would fail here anyways, cause Thragg's organs would have to be billions of times tougher than any force Gojo can output just for his breathing not to atomize his diaphragm.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Agreed, Idk where people thought he could do it INSIDE of people. He Absolutely would've at least tried against Sukuna.

This match is 100% a Stomp

 

[AyOgUyS]

Agreed, Idk where people thought he could do it INSIDE of people. He Absolutely would've at least tried against Sukuna.

This match is 100% a Stomp

Well he can't against Sukuna cuz of innate domains or smth

 

[Jaynic1]

Which is to say you can't actually prove it and your entire lane of argumentation thus far now needs to change because it was arguing based on what he's actually done, not what he'd do if you tweaked him.

Ok now apply that to Thragg.

As above, apply it to Thragg now too.

Sure, how would he know? He isn't omniscient. Which is my point, without Thragg doing something, his own ability screws him over because it'd give him a false positive that Thragg is fodder based on his perception and knowledge of what bolsters power.

Fair

You clearly don't know how this works.
Your OWN argument would result in Gojo being FLUNG into space with the chunk of rock he's on because PER YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS " rock would stay stationary even if everything else got lifted".that

Please explain how infinity stopping the section of rock gojo is on from moving while the rest of the land is moving will make him be the one that gets flung to space. He'll just be on an earth with one less continent

If that was even SLIGHTLY true, then the instant Gojo does that, he is being ejected into space because the land he and his special lil ground zone are touching is hurtling through space at cosmic velocities.

Makes no sense. If everything but you is moving then you'll be in the same position.

Your own argument is completely incoherent and you seemingly don't even get why.

You're trying to claim that someone whose standing on a stationairy platform will end up in a different location if the rest of the platform is in motion Thats nonsensical, his coordinates will literallly be the same as he is the one that is stationairy while his surroundings move away from him.

Anyway yes, he would actually, because Gojo isn't light speed and it'd happen before Gojo could even react to it occuring.

Gojo's infinity is automatic, he doesnt need to react and you miss the point besides. A large landmass suddenly being accelerated will be felt by infinity and cannot be compared to the constant rotation of the earth. Gojo's infinity not stopping him from moving with the earth doesnt mean chucking the land he's standing on into space is suddenly a wincon.

I know and I'm saying to bad?
You don't get to arbitrarily pick, there's no real difference here at this scale.

I do get to pick because I said "all the other shit will work except for that" You're the one that mentioned a contient and my disagreement in this part was specifically a continent. And yes there is a difference between a continent suddenly accelerating upwards and the entire earth being moved. The difference is scale, gravity and motion. I can pick what I disagree with.

There is no difference between a planet, a continent, a country, or even a mere few hundred meter chunk of land here given what Gojo is actually capable of.

To put it another way, try putting a really heavy object on a paper and then try lifting the paper from the edges, you'll lift it but the area with the heavy object will tear and remain on the table.

Any and all would work. It doesn't matter if Gojo is rooted to the ground if the ground he's rooted to is attached to other ground that gets thrown into orbit. And don't try to act like it's impossible, we've seen the environment Gojo is surrounded by get destabilized by far less.

No, your excuse doesn't work. If you don't understand that the land is constantly in motion, your whole argument falls apart.

Your argument falls apart because for some reason you're treating the constant rotation of the earth as the same as a land mass being accelerated a million times faster suddenly.

If Gojo and his lil chunk become unmovable, even if the land around them moves, cool, then he dies anyway because he gets left behind as the land and continent move at cosmic speeds without him and he BFRs himself and probably dies in the vacuum of space.

You're arguing thragg moves the planet once again, I literally said that works.

Except a continent has its own gravity, everything with mass does.

Very revelatory

I am going to ignore you just admitted something as basic as gravity gets through infinity because that opens the path to a million different kill conditions, and say:
If Thragg legitimately lifted the continent into space, the landmass would still have its own gravitational pull.

It having its own gravity doesnt mean its not going to trigger infinity when the velocity is suddenly changed explosively

I'm also going to ignore that you just shot your own argument in the foot because the planet's rotation I'm discussing involves the sun's gravitational pull, not Earth's.
And I'm also going to assume you know well enough that Infinity has nothing to do with gravity, if it did that would make unironically dozens of scenes in JJK incomprehensible, all because you're trying to argue something not even hinted at, as being true.

No, it doesn't.
Don't go "oh I conceded but I also write a whole reply anyway", if you concede stop arguing for the sake of it?.
Like what's the goal there?

To prove that yanking the ground gojo stands on isnt a wincon? Can i not hold one position and argue about it?

If you legitimately have no idea the basic science of this all. Stop arguing.
Your argument is but contradictory oxymorons that can't all simultaneously be true as several go.against each other fundamentally, and because you don't actually have a rebuttal to it or an actual explanation without resorting to headcanon, all you can do is call it nonsense because it's a direct observable inconsistency to your claim.

Its nonsense because trying to act like being stationairy while everything else is in motion will leave you at a different location just doesnt work. This is just common sense.

For the same reason you don't feel yourself hurtling through space at 100kms, also the fact it's happening a billion times quicker than Gojo can feel anything is another good one, also since when was the qualifier for infinity "to be felt"? It aint, never was too.

Velocity is one of the factors that triggers infinity. When I say feel I dont mean he will feel it physically and then react, I mean it will not be treated as nonexistent just because infinity doesnt filter out the earth's movement and will be blocked by infinity.

And that's an excuse. Where exactly does it show Gojo's lil rock platform being completely distanct from the landmass he's on despite the fact that if true and it truly was immovable relative to the other land, he would unironically be left behind in space, and given you're arguing gravity gets past him, nothing a lil bit of a trillion g forces can't handle now.

Earth's motion does not trigger infinity. The ground being accelerated to lightspeed upward will though

Yeah I'm not doing this with you, where's the feat of Gojo doing this?

We've seen him walk on infinity in shibuya and in the ant scene. There's no reason infinity will not apply to the bottom of his feet.

Not withstanding that would create a massive vacuum which would kill Gojo anyway given a continent was just ejected out into space at phenomenal speeds, but alas.

Doubt it

"If you ignore how infinity works, ignore basic physics, observable evidence, and the obvious contradictions, while also making Gojo a trillion times faster so he can "feel it", something might happen".

Infinity will feel it, or filter it out to be more exact, gojo doesnt need to.

 

[Doggo]

Thragg punches him.
Doesn't work.
Thragg tries again.
Doesn't work.
Thragg not being an idiot says aight and either throws the land beneath his feat into space with him on it, or turns the area into a vapid hot zone that's inhospitable and Gojo just dies either way.

All without him needing to know UV is a thing, which, even if he didn't, he could react in time before it gets to bad and do either or.

actually a decent wincon

 

[Doggo]

Thragg FRA

 

[AThe1412]

Grand Regent FRA. This match is 100 men vs 1 gorilla level of stupid. I've never seen anyone arguing this off-site bring up how low JJK's speed scaling is compared to Invincible or that Thragg would be able to do a trillion things before Gojo even thinks of using DE.

 

[Harith0cell]

Thragg fra

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

The Great Grand Regeant FRA. Thragg has 320+ years to defeat Gojo before he does his hand signs and like 200 additional years for his abilities to travel. Gang, let's all be real. Gojo isn't doing anything to someone who statues him for years.

 

[AyOgUyS]

To put it another way, try putting a really heavy object on a paper and then try lifting the paper from the edges, you'll lift it but the area with the heavy object will tear and remain on the table.

Said heavy object has more mass than the paper probably. Gojo does not have more mass than a landmass. This analogy is a false equivalence and doesn't work.

Its nonsense because trying to act like being stationairy while everything else is in motion will leave you at a different location just doesnt work. This is just common sense.

Buddy if I am a fixed point that is impossible to move and I am on top of a car, the car will leave me behind. I am 99.999999999999999% certain that is how physics work.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Gojo has never done that "root himself to the ground stuff". Ever. It's pure headcanon that doesn't need to be entertained.

Anyway this ^

There is not a single moment in Jujutsu Kaisen where Infinity is treated as some kind of anchor that chains Gojo to the ground.

 

[Thunderman101]

switching vote to the grand bum regent

 

[Apotheosis69]

Well he can't against Sukuna cuz of innate domains or smth

Based on what? What evidence is there...

 

[AyOgUyS]

Based on what? What evidence is there...

I think there's a section on the cursed energy manipulation page abt innate domains or smth