Gojo jjk vs thragg Invincible (Comics)

[Lewis]

Distance: 10 meters
Location: LA,USA
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I've been going back and forth with a Facebook community for two days without any consensus. My point is that Thragg possesses planetary AP and far superior speed. I've come here to get a definitive answer on whether my take is right.

Thragg
Gojo jjk

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Link the profiles.
Also Can Gojo even Catch Thragg in his domain with that severe speed gap?

 

[Poketmonsrs]

I’m voting Incon, Thragg can’t get through Infinity and Gojo can’t hit Thragg due to his speed

 

[AThe1412]

I’m voting Incon, Thragg can’t get through Infinity and Gojo can’t hit Thragg due to his speed

Thragg is just gonna destroy the planet and Gojo dies because no oxygen.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Thragg is just gonna destroy the planet and Gojo dies because no oxygen.

Ah, then I vote Thragg, unless it becomes a stomp due to Thragg’s insane speed gap

 

[AThe1412]

Ah, then I vote Thragg, unless it becomes a stomp due to Thragg’s insane speed gap

Pretty sure it is. Nothing in Gojo's arsenal works other than UV and he'll have zero time to try it. Meanwhile, Thragg tries to hit him and sees that it doesn't work, tries throwing him into space and sees that he can't, then he just obliterates Earth.

 

[AyOgUyS]

yea thragg destroys, he's too fast to get caught in domain and he can win by destroying the earth if the fight drags on for long enough

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Gojo has no win conditions just a single stall condition (limitless) so calling it a stomp seems fair
As Thragg actually has a way to win

 

[Lewis]

Link the profiles.
Also Can Gojo even Catch Thragg in his domain with that severe speed gap?

"I have calculated typical human perception to be equivalent to 34GB/day . based on a 0.2-second data input over a 4-month period in domain. The measured speed is 20,000,000 km/s, which is still at least 15 times slower than Thragg. Consequently, it is hypothesized that the transmitted data may also be delayed by as much as 15 times."

 

[Frans_Kadmon]

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[Jackof_noTrades068]

"I have calculated typical human perception to be equivalent to 34GB/day . based on a 0.2-second data input over a 4-month period in domain. The measured speed is 20,000,000 km/s, which is still at least 15 times slower than Thragg. Consequently, it is hypothesized that the transmitted data may also be delayed by as much as 15 times."

By trap Thragg in the domain, I meant the formation of the barrier in the first place.
Gojo would be so slow from Thragg’s POV that when he raised his hand to do the handsign it’ll look like an eternity. And he could just fly back when he sees this weird black ball forming

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Thragg gets pissed off he can't hit him so he decides to destroy the planet

gojo dies a slow and painful death

the end

 

[Lewis]

And he could just fly back when he sees this weird black ball forming

I agree ,Thragg can escape rapidly upon receiving a vast amount of information, yet it is not enough to cause cognitive overload or "brain rot"

 

[Doggo]

By trap Thragg in the domain, I meant the formation of the barrier in the first place.
Gojo would be so slow from Thragg’s POV that when he raised his hand to do the handsign it’ll look like an eternity. And he could just fly back when he sees this weird black ball forming

Wont that be more perception speed than reaction speed?

He can react fast, but I doubt him or any Viltrumite is literally seeing things in slow motion lol

Plus, he won't know how dangerous the domain is, so he might just let it happen, thinking it won't harm him....which is worse since Gojo is literally weaker than him here.

 

[AThe1412]

Wont that be more perception speed than reaction speed?

Reaction encompasses perception. You need to be able to perceive an attack in order to react and dodge it in the first place.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Wont that be more perception speed than reaction speed?

He can react fast, but I doubt him or any Viltrumite is literally seeing things in slow motion lol

Plus, he won't know how dangerous the domain is, so he might just let it happen, thinking it won't harm him....which is worse since Gojo is literally weaker than him here.

Having that kind of reaction and combat speed gives that level of perception speed.

Whether Thragg just sits there and lets it happen though is possible. But since there’s a speed gap between them. Before enough info has time to overload him he could break the domain from the inside since Thragg is tiers stronger.

 

[Lewis]

"Thragg possesses such immense speed that it's akin to time being frozen (referencing Metro Man). I believe he is fast enough to take down Gojo before Gojo can even make a move."

Wont that be more perception speed than reaction speed?

He can react fast, but I doubt him or any Viltrumite is literally seeing things in slow motion lol

Plus, he won't know how dangerous the domain is, so he might just let it happen, thinking it won't harm him....which is worse since Gojo is literally weaker than him here.

 

[Doggo]

Reaction encompasses perception. You need to be able to perceive an attack in order to react and dodge it in the first place.

yeah ig

But would Thragg even consider escaping the domain when, from his perspective, none of Gojo's attacks could harm him? Also, the DE should be invisible to him (while you can see CE during life or death scenarios.....Gojo is so much weaker that Thragg won't feel remotely threatened until it's too late)

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Gojo can move at mach 7 or 0.00000827363645685849 c, with 0.129 c reaction speed. Thragg has 1304464280 c speed, making him 1.5766517e+14 times faster than Gojo, and 10112126201.6 faster than what Gojo can react to. So unless Thragg is willing to wait 14 eternities, Gojo gets speedblitzed to hell and back

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Gojo can move at mach 7 or 0.00000827363645685849 c, with 0.129 c reaction speed. Thragg has 1304464280 c speed, making him 1.5766517e+14 times faster than Gojo, and 10112126201.6 faster than what Gojo can react to. So unless Thragg is willing to wait 14 eternities, Gojo gets speedblitzed to hell and back

Thragg could basically leave trim his mustache and come back in the time it takes for Gojo to do a handsign

 

[Doggo]

Thragg could basically leave trim his mustache and come back in the time it takes for Gojo to do a handsign

I doubt Thragg's first thought would be "Oh, that guy is gonna one-shot me if he does that hand sign, quick! I gotta bust this planet."

y'all are lowkey assuming he is immediately gonna see the danger and do his main wincon, when it's more likely he would look down at Gojo upon realizing he is FAR weaker than him and not expect that he can mind hax him to oblivion.

Unless Thragg has prior knowledge, I don't see why he would resort to planet-busting before Gojo pulls out UV.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

I doubt Thragg's first thought would be "Oh, that guy is gonna one-shot me if he does that hand sign, quick! I gotta bust this planet."

y'all are lowkey assuming he is immediately gonna see the danger and do his main wincon, when it's more likely he would look down at Gojo upon realizing he is FAR weaker than him and not expect that he can mind hax him to oblivion.

Unless Thragg has prior knowledge, I don't see why he would resort to planet-busting before Gojo pulls out UV.

For every second Gojo experiences, Thragg experiences it 1.5766517e+14 times longer, meaning 1 second take as long as 49995.297437848807 centuries for Thragg, Thragg can live multiple lifetimes before Gojo does anything. Don’t know the character, but I do think viltrumites are pretty fine with blowing up planets, so while I don’t think he starts with planet explosion, he probably does use it after waiting for Gojo to do anything

 

[Lewis]

I doubt Thragg's first thought would be "Oh, that guy is gonna one-shot me if he does that hand sign, quick! I gotta bust this planet."

y'all are lowkey assuming he is immediately gonna see the danger and do his main wincon, when it's more likely he would look down at Gojo upon realizing he is FAR weaker than him and not expect that he can mind hax him to oblivion.

Unless Thragg has prior knowledge, I don't see why he would resort to planet-busting before Gojo pulls out UV.

I doubt Thragg's first thought would be "Oh, that guy is gonna one-shot me if he does that hand sign, quick! I gotta bust this planet."

y'all are lowkey assuming he is immediately gonna see the danger and do his main wincon, when it's more likely he would look down at Gojo upon realizing he is FAR weaker than him and not expect that he can mind hax him to oblivion.

Unless Thragg has prior knowledge, I don't see why he would resort to planet-busting before Gojo pulls out UV.

SBA rule :
State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave

"I think thragg would take him down instantly, without any hesitation or messing around."

 

[Sooshirohl]

i mean yeah idk i don't see thragg feeling threatened enough by anything gojo throws at him to feel like he needs to dodge UV. i doubt he's gonna see him put up a hand sign and immediately feel inclined to dodge, especially if he can't see the actual domain around him forming. i see gojo realizing nothing he has is working and resorting to using his domain happening sooner than thragg just deciding to destroy the entire planet, in which case thragg is probably just gonna stand there and end up getting brain fried

 

[Lewis]

After a few hits failed to leave even a scratch, Thragg realized he was in real danger. This wasn't normal. He had never encountered anyone who could make his power feel so useless, and that alone made them an absolute threat.

i mean yeah idk i don't see thragg feeling threatened enough by anything gojo throws at him to feel like he needs to dodge UV. i doubt he's gonna see him put up a hand sign and immediately feel inclined to dodge, especially if he can't see the actual domain around him forming. i see gojo realizing nothing he has is working and resorting to using his domain happening sooner than thragg just deciding to destroy the entire planet, in which case thragg is probably just gonna stand there and end up getting brain fried

 

[AThe1412]

yeah ig

But would Thragg even consider escaping the domain when, from his perspective, none of Gojo's attacks could harm him? Also, the DE should be invisible to him (while you can see CE during life or death scenarios.....Gojo is so much weaker that Thragg won't feel remotely threatened until it's too late)

Gojo doesn't start with domain. Thragg can't see CE but he can still feel and see the effects of Gojo's attacks on the environment (Limitless would just look like telekinesis), even when they can't hurt him, and will still try to win according to SBA.

I doubt Thragg's first thought would be "Oh, that guy is gonna one-shot me if he does that hand sign, quick! I gotta bust this planet."

y'all are lowkey assuming he is immediately gonna see the danger and do his main wincon, when it's more likely he would look down at Gojo upon realizing he is FAR weaker than him and not expect that he can mind hax him to oblivion.

Unless Thragg has prior knowledge, I don't see why he would resort to planet-busting before Gojo pulls out UV.

The speed difference allows Thragg to try pretty much anything else to kill Gojo over trillions of times before he even thinks of using UV. It'll realistically take at most 5 minutes from his perspective since he can't hurt or even touch Gojo through any other means.

 

[Jaynic1]

Op should include tags

 

[Jaynic1]

The fact that this fight takes place on earth, a planet thragg is interested in for conquest means he wont simply blow up the planet after seeing his punches cant reach gojo. And to thragg, gojo will be seriously slow and an otherwise normal human,he wont view him as such a serious threat that he immedeatly goes to blow up the planet.

And as for wheather thragg will allow himself to be caught in domain, well this is the same guy that did this

 

[Arkansalter2]

Doesn't Thragg just unga blitz and once he figures out he can't go through infinity, Thragg just nukes the planet? This will all happen faster than what Gojo can even react.
0.1c compared to 1b+c... cmon man.

 

[Doggo]

Gojo FRA ig

The fact Thragg won't bust Earth in character+Won't even feel the need to dodge an attack from a guy he perceives to be a dozen times weaker and slower than he is+Is an unga bunga character who would rather charge first, makes this a Gojo victory in my eyes.

 

[Lewis]

The fact that this fight takes place on earth, a planet thragg is interested in for conquest means he wont simply blow up the planet after seeing his punches cant reach gojo. And to thragg, gojo will be seriously slow and an otherwise normal human,he wont view him as such a serious threat that he immedeatly goes to blow up the planet.

And as for wheather thragg will allow himself to be caught in domain, well this is the same guy that did this

External influences, such as imperial colonization or individual empathy, shall not be taken into account under SBA rules."
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State of mind:Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

 

[Doggo]

The thing is, Thragg has no REASON to assume the hand sign poses any danger. He would just let it happen cuz he literally perceives Gojo as infinitely weaker than him.

External influences, such as imperial colonization or individual empathy, shall not be taken into account under SBA rules."
.
State of mind:Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

The first one is not part of the SBA. Idk why you are making stuff up.

The 2nd part is true but I fail to see how that applies here.

 

[Jaynic1]

External influences, such as imperial colonization or individual empathy, shall not be taken into account under SBA rules."

This isnt from sba

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State of mind:Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

Earth being an extremely valuable resource to thragg doesnt fit as a social consequence

 

[Doggo]

Ahhh, yes, making stuff up just so I can win lmao

Thank goodness everyone else is dumb enough not to check the SBA to verify my take.

 

[Sooshirohl]

yeah idk honestly i think i'm also gonna go gojo FRA. again, i see no reason why thragg would immediately assume gojo just putting up a hand sign would hurt him when nothing else he throws at him would, and i also don't see him just getting pissed enough to destroy the entire planet before gojo resorts to using his domain if A. he's actively been shown just standing and facetanking attacks from opponents he knows he's stronger than and B. he views earth as a valuable planet for conquest

 

[Arkenis]

IV won't do anything taking into account Thragg's processing speed being far higher than anything IV's known to induce, that is that even if it induces endless info flow, it doesn't induce infinite amount in a finite time, it just induces constant flow of one single thing, not infinite all at once. There's also the fact curses have different brain structure which reduces the effect of IV, making Gojo fear they'd awaken at any second, which in reality only lasted 4 mins. It'd be pretty disingenuous not to also follow this idea for an alien who's biology is different, but I do remember there's some statement the Viltrumites dna is similar to humans or vice versa. But even if that's contestable, there's still the fact Thragg's perception would let him see the domain expand at an astronomically slow rate and just move away rendering it pointless.

 

[MaskedDragon908]

again, i see no reason why thragg would immediately assume gojo just putting up a hand sign would hurt him

he views earth as a valuable planet for conquest

Gojo can move at mach 7 or 0.00000827363645685849 c, with 0.129 c reaction speed. Thragg has 1304464280 c speed, making him 1.5766517e+14 times faster

Do you know how long Thragg has to act? By the time a second has gone by for Gojo with his 0.129c reactions, Thragg has experienced approximately 320.612752112 years.
Masked doesn't have any information on how long it would take for Thragg to realize what he has to do to win, but 320 years is a long time.
This is assuming that IV can even incapacitate Thragg, considering how fast he can process information.

To be honest, this is probably a mismatch either way.
Masked will not be voting.

 

[Sooshirohl]

IV won't do anything taking into account Thragg's processing speed being far higher than anything IV's known to induce, that is that even if it induces endless info flow, it doesn't induce infinite amount in a finite time, it just induces constant flow of one single thing, not infinite all at once. There's also the fact curses have different brain structure which reduces the effect of IV, making Gojo fear they'd awaken at any second, which in reality only lasted 4 mins. It'd be pretty disingenuous not to also follow this idea for an alien who's biology is different, but I do remember there's some statement the Viltrumites dna is similar to humans or vice versa. But even if that's contestable, there's still the fact Thragg's perception would let him see the domain expand at an astronomically slow rate and just move away rendering it pointless.

Do you know how long Thragg has to act? By the time a second has gone by for Gojo with his 0.129c reactions, Thragg has experienced approximately 320.612752112 years.
Masked doesn't have any information on how long it would take for Thragg to realize what he has to do to win, but 320 years is a long time.
This is assuming that IV can even incapacitate Thragg, considering how fast he can process information.

To be honest, this is probably a mismatch either way.
Masked will not be voting.

i mean i'm not arguing that thragg won't be able to see the domain coming or anything like that, i'm moreso just arguing whether or not thragg would even bother to move if nothing gojo throws at him even remotely harms him. like "oh no i can't hit this guy with my attacks, but this guy also cannot physically harm me at all"

does his processing speed come directly from where his speed scales? cause if that's the case, then yeah, this is a stomp, gojo literally has no wincons

 

[Arkenis]

i mean i'm not arguing that thragg won't be able to see the domain coming or anything like that, i'm moreso just arguing whether or not thragg would even bother to move if nothing gojo throws at him even remotely harms him. like "oh no i can't hit this guy with my attacks, but this guy also cannot physically harm me at all"

Just basic assumption whatever could happen might potentially trap him since he's facing an unknown opponent.

does his processing speed come directly from where his speed scales? cause if that's the case, then yeah, this is a stomp, gojo literally has no wincons

I'd say yeah? He'd otherwise, and many others, would just be blitzing themselves, not knowing what happened. Could argue processing speed tends to be higher than one's physicals regularly so he may have even higher since the brain would need to fire off neurons far faster to convey the environment and what actions are to be taken.

 

[Lewis]

To be clear, external influences must be excluded. For instance, the argument that Thragg wouldn't destroy Earth due to its resource value is a political consideration, which has no place in an SBA evaluation. This should be viewed purely as a competitive arena, nothing more.