Gojo jjk vs thragg Invincible (Comics)

[Apotheosis69]

I think there's a section on the cursed energy manipulation page abt innate domains or smth

Yeah that stuff is Mental. Not actually within one's flesh, bones, etc

 

[Chariot190]

Fair

Ok, so you accept Thragg moving the planet works. Which means you accept Infinity does not actually just root his ass down to a single coordinate. So now the only thing you're actually doing is arbitrarily trying to make a distinction between "continent/country/chunk of ground", even though the mechanism is the exact same between all of them.

Your argument is incoherent, it's basically headcanon and NLF rolled into one, checking his profile this isn't even mentioned to be a thing he can do so that's a bit of a red flag too.

Please explain how infinity stopping the section of rock gojo is on from moving while the rest of the land is moving will make him be the one that gets flung to space. He'll just be on an earth with one less continent

Because it's quite literally just your own argument at face value?
If Infinity prevents the rock under Gojo from moving with the rest of the landmass, then Gojo and that tiny "special zone" are no longer moving with the rest of the Earth's surface, continent, whatever. The surrounding land moves away. The reference frame he normally has with the planet is gone now.

Like you can't go "the chunk under him stays stationary" and then also act like he still conveniently remains part of the Earth's normal motion, position, atmosphere, and environment. That is the contradiction.

Either he moves with the ground, in which case Thragg BFRs him, or Infinity somehow prevents the ground from moving, in which case Gojo is now isolated from the surrounding land and the planet's motion becomes a problem as he's ejected into space because "he's stationary" relative to something as massive AS A CONTINENT per your own words.

Makes no sense. If everything but you is moving then you'll be in the same position.

Same position relative to what?
You're now actively dodging this and simply going "nuh uh". "Stationary" ain't some magic word, stationary relative to Earth? Stationary relative to the continent? Stationary relative to space? Those all produce vastly different results.

If everything around Gojo moves and he does not, then relative to everything around him, he has been left behind. Which is literally what "everything but you is moving" means my dude.
Unfortunately for your argument, you need to have this be true and not true at the same time, so you keep creating arbitrary distinctions that aren't even real to somehow have your cake and eat it too.

You're trying to claim that someone whose standing on a stationairy platform will end up in a different location if the rest of the platform is in motion Thats nonsensical, his coordinates will literallly be the same as he is the one that is stationairy while his surroundings move away from him.

Again, "coordinates" according to what frame?
You're just saying "he is stationary", which is absurd and a simple read of any fight he's ever been in is strife with examples contrary to how you're framing this, but all the same, you're acting like just saying those words somehow helps here, it doesn't. If the planet/continent/landmass is what defines his usable ref point, and that moves away while he does not, then he has been removed from the relevant battlefield.

That's BFR. You're not debunking it or whatever. You legit just describing it.
Your point can't have this, so you're trying to go "oh he's stuck in the same position relative to the Earth!", based on what? Where does it say that? Why assume he has planetary range with this even, that's so blatantly incorrect that I don't even have to argue that, JJK itself shoots that down or me, but then what? Relative to the ground he's standing on? Well lucky for you, that chunk of the ground moves with the other ground it's attached to, so either way you go about it, you're wrong.

Gojo's infinity is automatic, he doesnt need to react and you miss the point besides. A large landmass suddenly being accelerated will be felt by infinity and cannot be compared to the constant rotation of the earth. Gojo's infinity not stopping him from moving with the earth doesnt mean chucking the land he's standing on into space is suddenly a wincon.

Automatic doesn't mean it performs whatever extremely specific interaction everytime, especially for Infinity Gojo, had to finetune that shit.

Infinity being automatic means Gojo doesn't have to manually react to every incoming threat, that's it. It doesn't mean it perfectly parse "this connected continental mass is allowed to support his feet, but its movement is not allowed to transfer to him, but gravity still works, atmosphere still works, normal Earth motion still works, and he won't get behind, and also I can infer the difference between normal cosmic velocity in relation to the land, and unnatural cosmic velocity relative to the land at the scope being discussed here".

Hate to break it to you, but that ain't how it works, even worse, being automatic doesn't mean anything here given Thragg is quite literally faster than Infinity's automated process either way.

I do get to pick because I said "all the other shit will work except for that" You're the one that mentioned a contient and my disagreement in this part was specifically a continent.

Yes and unfortunate as it might be, you don't get to disagree with that notion unless you can actually prove a single one of your NLF headcanon claims, at that point it's just steel manning, or whatever we wanna call it.
It could be a continent, it could be like 20m, it doesn't even matter because there's no difference between any of them that actually exists in this context because not only can Gojo NOT do what you're saying he can, like it's not even a real thing, he never even does this the way you're describing.

Whether you like it or not, Gojo's ass moves with the ground he's on, we literally see this happen no less, and even just passively by the fact he's not yeeted into space by just existing shoots down your entire fabled special ability Gojo quite literally doesn't have.

I'm liable to say you're not even allowed to argue this in its most basic form unless you can actually show him doing it.

And yes there is a difference between a continent suddenly accelerating upwards and the entire earth being moved. The difference is scale, gravity and motion. I can pick what I disagree with.

Yeah, nah dude, you can't just "pick" a completely random distinction by listing off random stuff and not explaining how or why they actually differ between scenario A and B.

"Scale, gravity, and motion" is a legitimate non-argument. You're simply gesturing at differences while dodging the fact you need to prove why those differences make Infinity work in one case and fail in the other despite Infinity absolutely not working that way in both.

If moving the whole Earth works, then you straight up already admit Infinity doesn't make Gojo immune to being moved by the thing he's standing on. So now you need to prove why moving a continent, country, or whatever tf chunk of land suddenly doesn't work either or transfer to him.

And your answer, obviously, can't be "the chunk under him stays in place", because that creates the very issue I've been pointing out and you keep just going "nuh uh" at.

If Gojo and his lil baby patch of ground are so immobile that even ripping the continent upward into space leaves that exact chunk fixed where it was, then he is not rooted to the planet anymore. He is rooted to some random fixed point in space. And yet, the planet is very much not sitting still. Earth is rotating, orbiting, and moving through space at speeds everyone but Dabura could only dream of. So, if Infinity really locks him and his chunk in place to that extent, the planet just leaves him behind anyway as he and his lil ground tile get ejected into space.

Like you're just trying to get both versions at once given it's the only possible way your argument could even work:
Gojo is secretly connected to Earth because that helps him not get left behind by normal planetary motion.
Gojo is disconnected from the continent's or any relative chunk of land's motion because that helps him not get BFR'd.
Gojo’s ground is "immobile" when Thragg moves it, even if Thragg is actually just moving the ground it's attached to instead.
Gojo's ground is not actually immobile when Earth itself is moving.

That's the furthest possible thing from a coherent argument dude. You're just changing the rules of how this "ability" supposedly works depending on which outcome stops Gojo from being put on a shirt.

Either the ground's motion transfers to him, or Infinity makes him and his chunk fixed independent of the moved landmass, in which the planet's own motion becomes leaves him behind. You need an actual feat showing Infinity can selectively ignore only Thragg’s landmass movement while still letting Gojo remain normally attached to Earth's motion, gravity, and support. Otherwise, yeah sure disagree ig, but that won't change the fact you're wrong.

To put it another way, try putting a really heavy object on a paper and then try lifting the paper from the edges, you'll lift it but the area with the heavy object will tear and remain on the table.

This only only works by assuming the thing you need to prove. The heavy object there only stays because its weight/support against the table makes the paper fail first? Gojo isn't shown to become an absolute fixed point in space, and Infinity isn't shown to turn rock under his feet into some unmovable Juggernaut object, like where are you even getting this from?

And if you somehow are claiming that, then we're back to your argument being incoherent. If the chunk under Gojo is so stationary that even a whole continent being uprooted leaves it behind, then what is it fixed to exactly?

It obviously can't be fixed to the continent given your whole claim is that the continent moves without it. It also isn't fixed to the whole planet given Infinity doesn't have planet-wide range and you're only arguing for the lil bit under him. Not like you could argue for anything past that anyway, we've seen massive collateral around him in his fights done by others.

Regardless, either the chunk is connected to the larger landmass, in which case Thragg yeets that shit with Gojo on it, or it isn't connected, in which case Gojo is sitting on a loose lil rock fixed to a point in space that gets left in space because orbits go vroom.

Like be fr dude, you don't get to argue the rock is disconnected from the continent when Thragg moves it, but still magically anchored to Earth somehow. You're just switching your arbitrary rule based on the outcome you need. And Gojo can be destabilized in anyway. If you want to argue Infinity can anchor his ass to specifically Earth in particular so bad that a continent tears around him, show the feat.

Your argument falls apart because for some reason you're treating the constant rotation of the earth as the same as a land mass being accelerated a million times faster suddenly.

For this specific argument? Yeah actually, it's the same category of shit: what frame is Gojo and the ground under him attached to?

Obviously, the point isn't that Earth's normal motion and Thragg accelerating a landmass have the same speed actually they might thinking on it, force, or whatever else idc. The point, if you could even call this a real argument, is that your entire "rebuttal" requires Gojo's lil patch of ground to ignore the motion of the larger mass it is physically part of, but only selectively with layers of arbitrary distinctions and rules that aren't even real.

If Infinity makes the patch under him "stationary" relative to space, then Earth's normal motion matters and he goes buhbye
If the patch stays stationary relative to Earth, then it's still sharing Earth's motion, meaning it is not some absolute immovable point like you keep trying to argue.
And if the chunk shares the motion of the landmass it is attached to, then Thragg tossing that mf into orbit includes Gojo too.

"but one is sudden and faster" is more of your constant backpedaling. You still need to explain what the chunk under Gojo is anchored to, why it ignores Thragg moving shit, and why that same logic doesn't detach him from Earth itself if it's such an absolute fix, yet you can't do that, if only because this ability isn't even real to begin with so you have zero things to cite.

You're arguing thragg moves the planet once again, I literally said that works.

Jesus christ...If moving the planet works, then Infinity clearly doesn't stop Gojo from being moved along by whatever larger mass/frame he is standing on? So why would it suddenly stop working when Thragg moves a continent, country, or even a dinky-ass 10m chunk instead?

You're drawing an arbitrary line with no sauce behind it. Either Gojo moves with the thing under him, in which case Thragg launches him with it, or he don't, in which case he separates himself from the planet's motion and gets left behind anyway. There is no middle ground unless you want to start posting slop and actual scans for this shit.

The size of the chunk doesn't magically change this. The question is whether the movement of the ground transfers to Gojo or not. If it does, Thragg yeets. If it don't, your own argument turns into Gojo sliming himself.

"planet works, but chunk don't" ain't a real distinction. You're doing nothing but arguing Gojo survives while ignoring that the exact same reasoning applies downward.

Very revelatory

Given how you've been arguing, I can only take this as literal.

It having its own gravity doesnt mean its not going to trigger infinity when the velocity is suddenly changed explosively

The continent having its own gravity absolutely matters, what? It shows why your entire argument, ironically, makes no sense.

If your answer, which based on your last post is "Gojo is still bound to Earth's gravity", or whatever tf, that doesn't help ya. Earth's gravity isn't what physically keeps the continent from being lifted in the first place. If Thragg can move the continent, then "Earth's gravity exists" ain't stopping the BFR, like if Gojo is anchored to Earth via it's own gravitation pull, needless to say whatever Thragg is doing is vastly exceeding said pull keeping Gojo rooted so it's a complete non-factor.

And just going "gravity gets through Infinity, so he's pulled toward Earth still", helps my point, because every large mass has some notable gravity. A continent, country, or huge chunk of land still has mass and still has gravity. Ergo, if gravity is allowed through, that applies to just about everything and your argument is once again incoherent.

The "velocity suddenly changed" point is also just kinda absurd ngl. Since when does Infinity freeze Gojo's vector in place? Infinity stops things from reaching/touching him. It ain't some magic anti-inertia secret tech meme that can somehow parse shit like "the ground under Gojo changed velocity, so Gojo remains fixed in space".

And Earth is already moving absurdly fast. Gojo is constantly sharing that motion. Infinity clearly doesn't just go "high velocity = blocked", if it did, Gojo couldn't exist normally on Earth at all, his ass would be in space.

So, again, the actual question hasn't changed: what is Gojo moving relative to?
If Thragg moves a large enough chunk, Gojo and that chunk can share the same point, like a person inside a car. Same thing with Earth: Earth is moving fast, but Gojo feels stationary relative to Earth. If Gojo shares the frame of the landmass, he gets carried with it. If he does not share the frame, then he gets left behind. Either way, this whole sudden velocity thing is but again another case of slapping new powers on Infinity because just thinking it through for 5 seconds causes your entire point to cease being coherent.

To prove that yanking the ground gojo stands on isnt a wincon? Can i not hold one position and argue about it?

If you admit Thragg moving the planet is a wincon then you have already admitted Infinity doesn't inherently stop Gojo from being moved by moving the shit he's on. So now arguing "but moving a continent/country/chunk somehow won't work" needs an actual provable distinction, not just "I feel like this one triggers Infinity idk lmao".
Again, not a coherent argument, you're trying to push an arbitrary exception for something you still want to argue against for god knows what reason given you've already conceded Thragg wins.

Like yeah you can technically keep arguing it, but at that point what is the goal? To force people to disprove your own burden of needing to prove Infinity has this specific anti-ground-yeet hax?

Its nonsense because trying to act like being stationairy while everything else is in motion will leave you at a different location just doesnt work. This is just common sense.

Saying "common sense" isn't an explanation, it's dodging because you're incapable of giving an actual one.
If everything around you moves and you don't, then relative to everything around you, you have changed position.
If Earth moves and Gojo's little chunk somehow don't move with it, Earth leaves him behind.
If the continent moves and Gojo's tiny bit does not move with it, the continent leaves him behind, but at that point, the above is all but confirmed under this situation given his lack of range with this meaning he's fixating to a point in space, not to some arbitrary object.
If Gojo moves with the patch, then Thragg moves him with it, which is what is shown in the manga would actually implicate.

There is no mystery here dude. You keep refusing to define what Gojo is stationary relative to, because every answer is still ultimately damning.

Velocity is one of the factors that triggers infinity. When I say feel I dont mean he will feel it physically and then react, I mean it will not be treated as nonexistent just because infinity doesnt filter out the earth's movement and will be blocked by infinity.

Literally since when? Infinity blocks things from reaching Gojo. It ain't an anti-vector thing that freezes him at a fixed point in space the femtosecond the ground under him changes velocity.

"Velocity is a factor" simply entails that Infinity can judge incoming objects by speed, mass, shape, cursed energy, etc. Literally never meant "the support surface under Gojo accelerated, so Gojo stays pinned in place while the world moves around him", like wtf?

If that were true, what's the cutoff? Can Gojo not ride a car? A train? An elevator? A plane? If he is inside a moving vehicle, does Infinity detect the vehicle's velocity and lock him in place while the vehicle leaves without him? What about his own speed? What about using blue to accelerate? Obviously not how this works.
Raw velocity by itself isn't the issue anyway. Relative motion and what is actually trying to reach him is.

Earth itself is already moving at absurd speed, and Gojo shares that frame just fine. So if Thragg moves the landmass Gojo is standing on, the question is simply: does Gojo share that landmass's frame or not?

If he does, Thragg moves him with it.
If he does not, then he gets left behind by the larger thing..

You're trying to make a secret 3rd option where Infinity ignores Earth's motion, ignores most motion in generl thinking on it, but perfectly blocks this one specific ground motion in a way it's never actually done before because it's the only way Gojo isn't instantly fodderized.

Earth's motion does not trigger infinity. The ground being accelerated to lightspeed upward will though

Yeah ok, I can only presume you don't quite get that motion is relative.
Gojo isn't standing on a magic fixed point in space. He's standing on Earth. Earth be rotating, orbiting the sun, and moving through space. Gojo, the ground, the air, the buildings, and everything else all share that.

Which would be why Gojo doesn't just get ejected into space. He's moving within reference to Earth's frame.

Same thing in a car. If you sit in a car going 60kmh, you don't cave your skull into the back seat just because the car has velocity. You, the seat, the air inside the car, and the floor are all moving together. Relative to the car, you are sitting still.
Same thing in a train. Same thing in a plane. Same thing in an elevator. The vehicle can be moving fast, but if you're moving with it, you aren't being hit by it which is what Infinity ACTUALLY filters.

Which is to say, tough luck, but "the ground has velocity" ain't gonna fly. The only thing that matters is relative motion: is the ground moving differently from Gojo, or is Gojo being carried with the ground?

There are only two real options here lad.
Option 1: Gojo shares the ground's motion. Then if Thragg throws the ground, Gojo goes buhbye with it.
Option 2: Gojo does not share the ground's motion. Then the ground moves away from him and he gets left behind, in general, because there's no imaginary earth anchoring point, no range for that, would contradict itself anyway, and fifty million other things that end up being problematic. That is also BFR, hilariously by his own hand.

Once again, you're pushing some secret third option where Gojo doesn't move with the continent when Thragg throws it, but he still somehow moves with Earth when Earth's own motion would leave him behind. That's not your so called "common sense", it's the absence of it.
If the little rock under Gojo is "stationary," stationary relative to what?
If it is stationary relative to the continent, then the continent carries it away.
If it is stationary relative to Earth, then it still shares Earth's motion, which means it's not some absolute fixed point which means there's no real distinction here and you need to prove the cut off, if one even exists.
If it is stationary relative to space, then Earth immediately leaves it behind because Earth is already vrooming through space at close to mach 100.

You legit keep saying "the rock ignores the continent's movement" while also saying "the rock remains anchored to Earth", while in actual fact, the ground around it is the thing it was anchored to. If the continent is lifted and the rock don't go with it, then the rock isn't like part of the planet. It's acting like a magically fixed point in space.

Which when combined with how we know how Infinity actually works, that being Infinity blocks things from reaching Gojo, not freezing Gojo's inertial frame in place whenever the thing under him changes speed, there's something close to that, but it's not remotely applicable here and you're twisting what actually happened but we'll get to that.
If velocity alone could proc Infinity like that, Gojo wouldn't be able to half the stuff we see him do on panel, or even just walk or move at high speed in a fight. Every moving thing would be a problem because the floor under him has velocity. But obviously, Gojo can share motion just fine.

The question you should be asking isn't "is the ground moving fast?" It's if the ground is incoming slop trying to hit Gojo, which it isn't, it's functionally a support surface like a house, building, or vehicle.

There is no magic middle option where Infinity blocks only the part of motion that would BFR him while still allowing gravity, support, air, Earth's motion, and every other normal interaction to work just fine despite exact overlap in several of these cases.

Also, arguing that the ground being accelerated suddenly will trigger Infinity just means you have chosen option 2, where Gojo separates due to fixing himself to a point in space which he can't even do but alas, and he dies per your own argument.

We've seen him walk on infinity in shibuya and in the ant scene. There's no reason infinity will not apply to the bottom of his feet.

Yeah see this has two explanations last I checked, neither of which are what you're arguing.
Option 1 is: He uses Limitless to manipulate space around himself, so he can suspend, pull, or reposition himself.

Limitless isn't Infinity dude.
He manipulates the space between himself and the surface below, so he just doesn't fall normally. Not because air is holding him up, but because his position is being controlled by Limitless.
Blue creates attraction by manipulating/compressing space. Gojo can use that shit to move himself through space or move suddenly.
Red is the opposite.

Unfortunately for you though, this does not mean he can root himself to the planet or make the ground unmovable. Even worse for you, assuming you go with Limitless/Blue, that means nothing here because that isn't some secret "impossible to move" move, all of them unlike Infinity have actual values they can endure and exert, which, Thragg eclipses so many times over that whether Gojo can stand on shit ain't going to do a thing here.

And if you wanna argue "nuh uh it's Infinity", that still doesn't help, in that applying Infinity under his feet isn't the same as making himself and the ground below him an unmovable fixed point in space.
Gojo still moves with things dude. He stands on Earth. He walks on floors. He falls (which is kind of damning in this being automatic). He can exist normally in a moving world. Just by existing throughout JJK, he's constantly sharing motion with whatever surface he's on. "Infinity can be under his feet" is tantamount to saying water is wet and acting like it means "Infinity prevents the ground he is standing on from carrying him" like come on.

If Thragg can't directly touch Gojo and instead throws the land Gojo is standing on into space, then Gojo is standing on the thing being thrown. Unless you prove otherwise, he goes with it.

And your examples? Gojo standing/walking on Infinity is him using the space beneath him like a platform by preventing contact below him, at best, if you take it as being Limitless it's even worse. Which isn't remotely the same thing as passively making himself and a chunk of ground immune to being moved by a larger landmass.

In fact, those examples make this worse for you as they're specific uses of footing. They're not proof that Gojo is always automatically fixed in place, like obviously so, I shouldn't even have to point this out.
If Infinity under his feet always worked that way passively, he wouldn't be able to walk, fall, land, ride anything, or move normally, which we constantly see him do because yuh huh.

For argument's sake given you seem to like doing that, let's say that's the case. Yet in this scenario he's choosing to stand on the ground as opposed to the air, and the ground is what Thragg is removing.

That leaves two very straighforward options:
1. Gojo keeps sharing the ground's motion. Then Thragg throws the ground and Gojo goes with it, zoooom.
2. There was no second option I lied. If Gojo chooses to stand on something, he's still STANDING on it.

And this ignores the giant-ass super gorilla in the room too, that being Gojo has to actively switch from standing on the ground to standing on Infinity/Limitless, air, whatever given it's blatantly not passive as evidenced by every single waking or falling scene he's in besides those two particular instances, and he'd need to do this before the BFR happens, which, at that point you've ditched your lil passive Infinity argument entirely.
Now you're arguing Gojo needs to react and use Infinity in a specific way before Thragg blitzes him. Which is to say, Thragg blitzes and he never gets a chance too.

Doubt it

What do you mean "doubt it"?
A continent-sized landmass being launched upward into space at absurd speed isn't some gentle motion relative to where it's being ejected from. It's CATASTROPHIC air displacement on a ridiculous scale.

The air around and above it gets violently shoved, dragged, compressed, heated, and displaced. The space it leaves behind becomes a massive low-pressure cavity that surrounding air has to rush back into. Which obviously creates insane winds, shockwaves, pressure changes, debris, and a bunch of funny yet very much not friendly things. Then ya got the crust being torn open, seismic effects, ejecta, heat from hypersonic motion through the atmosphere, and the fact the surface is now gone or moving into space.

"But none of that would hurt Gojo!", yeah that's cool, but pretty sure he still needs to breath and he ain't breathing when all the air got suctioned out with the landmass so...

Like you fr right now? "Doubt it" isn't a rebuttal, all this tells me is you don't know what you're talking about here. You don't get to handwave a literal continent being fired into space at, well in your own words it'd be lightspeed, as if that isn't cataclysmic. It could be a perfect vacuum, a temporary low-pressure zone, or a giant atmospheric blast zone, none of those entail Gojo standing there normally given bro needs oxygen.

Your argument, once again, is just going "nuh uh" which seems to be what most of your arguments end up being, to something so obviously absurdly apocalyptic and would evidently be accompanied by some not so complex collateral effects, I can't take this legitimately, like you're just wrong here, factually so, not really open to interpretation.

Infinity will feel it, or filter it out to be more exact, gojo doesnt need to.

Infinity is automatic sure, it ain't literally infinite-speed processing tho, explicitly so actually. If Thragg is over a billion times faster, "Infinity will filter it" needs proof that Infinity can actually process and apply this specific shit before the landmass is already gone.

And even then, filtering an incoming object isn't the same as freezing Gojo in space or stopping the ground under him from going zoom. Infinity blocks things from reaching him. It isn't shown to cancel the motion of what he's already attached to?

This ain't a feat, and it still don't answer whether Gojo moves with the ground or gets left behind by it. Hearsay ain't sufficient, prove it, post scans or drop it.

Either way, I'm done arguing headcanon with someone who has seemingly forgot 99% of JJK and basic physics, like there's legit no point continuing this.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Yeah that stuff is Mental. Not actually within one's flesh, bones, etc

ok mb then

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Thragg has no way to kill him. Toss him in space? Infinity will stop the ground from reaching him.

Bro...Why are we acting like gojo isn't already on the ground like he normally is?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I noticed people actually think gojo has a wincon so i'll just say i'm voting Thragg for chariot and planks reasons (assuming this isn't a stomp)

 

[Cipher72]

So who's keeping track of the votes because looking at the OP it's been nearly two months unless I am hallucinating and I don't see a singular vote.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Still at the sentiment this is a stomp for Thragg. Destroy Earth...

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Thragg FRA

switching vote to the grand bum regent

Thragg fra

Grand Regent FRA. This match is 100 men vs 1 gorilla level of stupid. I've never seen anyone arguing this off-site bring up how low JJK's speed scaling is compared to Invincible or that Thragg would be able to do a trillion things before Gojo even thinks of using DE.

Thragg FRA if it isn't a stomp.

changing my vote to Thragg

Ah, then I vote Thragg, unless it becomes a stomp due to Thragg’s insane speed gap

Yeah this seems like GRACE for thragg here although its hard to tell when it started

Edit: I think grace started at thundermans vote

 

[Unknownnah]

Crispiest fade in the universe FRA.

 

[Viott]

Thragg FRA

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Thragg FRA

 

[Nadechan111]

Thragg FRA.

 

[Mickey1940]

so wait

1. Thragg can outspeed Infinity's process speed
Infinity is already adapted to physical attacks in general, it doesn't need to process anything to block it if it's not a new stimuli. Thragg punching Gojo will accomplish nothing
2. Thragg throws the ground beneath Gojo's feet into space
yeah this would probably work even if Gojo tries teleporting cuz he'd probably get thrown too far outside his teleportation range. Even if he traps air inside his own Infinity, he likely can't come back before he suffocates or gets radiation poisoning (unless Infinity can block radiation which it probably can since it affects things on an atomic level and possibly even beyond that but suffocation is still an issue)
3. Thragg can process Unlimited Void
Unlimited Void instantly injects infinite information. it's not just a lot of information. Thragg being faster wouldn't stop this from affecting him

Gojo can't win without Unlimited Void, so it's really a matter of if Thragg lets him do that

However, it doesn't seem like Viltrumites use their full speed under most contexts. Viltrumites have been incapacitated by soundwaves before despite being orders of magnitude faster than said soundwaves (like Mark fighting Robot, he KNOWS the soundwaves upon hit are a problem and has the speed necessary to land hits then jump back fast enough yet he just... doesn't?), Viltrumites also don't use their full speed on a planet due to the catastrophic collateral damage that level of speed would deal (Thragg beat Battle Beast without blowing up the planet from sheer speed, and the only example I can see of a Viltrumite using sheer speed to devastate a population is when Omni Man killed the Flaxan world and that was to prevent them from invading again). Plus, Viltrumites regularly have conversations with far slower opponents while fighting them. So it's likely that Thragg doesn't read a billion philosophy books or get multiple PHDs or whatever before Gojo opens his domain. He absolutely CAN with his massive speed advantage, but it's not likely he's literally just gonna perception blitz cuz no one in Invincible chooses to act this way even if they are capable of it.

Thragg also has a really bad habit of taking hits when he doesn't need to simply cuz he's strong enough, with the only attack he bothers dodging every time being Space Racer's gun due to prep time. Heck the show also showcases this when Thragg literally headbonks all of Mark's attacks cuz he's strong enough to literally ignore everything. Against Gojo, a character who's significantly weaker than almost every character in Invincible much less other Viltrumites, I see no reason why Thragg wouldn't treat him the same way. Unlike the Immortal or Omni Man, "yeet into space" isn't Thragg's go-to. To be fair, Thragg obviously doesn't do this all the time, but he doesn't it enough times for me to at least bring it up

I'm still unsure of what to vote here. It really depends on how quickly Thragg resorts to throwing the ground beneath Gojo's feet into space since even though that's not an in-character move, thragg is simply that much faster.

 

[Chariot190]

so wait

1. Thragg can outspeed Infinity's process speed
Infinity is already adapted to physical attacks in general, it doesn't need to process anything to block it if it's not a new stimuli. Thragg punching Gojo will accomplish nothing

Literally not true. It's adapted and fine tuned to what Gojo has it set for. It doesn't have infinite processing speed, it isn't going to stop the Flash from ripping Gojo's balls off, and there's a slew of shit that Gojo would never have factored into it's processing because why would he?

Infinity is only automated so far that basic stuff and JJK adjacent stuff get filtered out, and even then you're going to damn well need to prove Infinity can do that against stuff so fast it's, unironically, tens of billions of times faster than Gojo.

But yes, everyone has already said punching won't work.

2. Thragg throws the ground beneath Gojo's feet into space
yeah this would probably work even if Gojo tries teleporting cuz he'd probably get thrown too far outside his teleportation range. Even if he traps air inside his own Infinity, he likely can't come back before he suffocates or gets radiation poisoning (unless Infinity can block radiation which it probably can since it affects things on an atomic level and possibly even beyond that but suffocation is still an issue)

Why would Gojo get the chance to teleport? He's not going to get the chance to do anything, the speed gap is astronomical.
And since when could Gojo trap air in Infinity? Why would he even know to do that? Why would that even matter it's not there's an actual infinite distance or volume between him and the outside to trap any meaningful amount of air in there to begin with.
Also don't really like how you faced that with "pretty sure", either it can, or can't.

3. Thragg can process Unlimited Void
Unlimited Void instantly injects infinite information. it's not just a lot of information. Thragg being faster wouldn't stop this from affecting him

Literally untrue. Why do you think normal humans can last 0.2 seconds? Bit of an oxymoron for it to be infinite all at once but you can just divide by time to get safe thresholds.
You're confusing an infinite stream of information, with just infinite in general. One's an ongoing indefinite process, one's just all that shit at once. Gojo is very, very, not up for debate, in the former camp.

Gojo can't win without Unlimited Void, so it's really a matter of if Thragg lets him do that

However, it doesn't seem like Viltrumites use their full speed under most contexts.

Yeah and Gojo doesn't use his full speed in most contexts either like talking, walking, and living, what sort of argument is this? That doesn't apply to a fight, it's not like there's a speed switch or some shit, they always still have it.

Viltrumites have been incapacitated by soundwaves before despite being orders of magnitude faster than said soundwaves (like Mark fighting Robot, he KNOWS the soundwaves upon hit are a problem and has the speed necessary to land hits then jump back fast enough yet he just... doesn't?),

Yes, Mark was incap'd by the invisible attacks, outputted by someone who he can't kill, can't really harm, and who he thought was his friend and thus had zero reason to even be on guard and by the time it happened it was already to late.
Holy false equivalence Batman. Also grossly incorrect, the soundwaves was emitted by a piece inside his own head that Cecil put there when they had him hospitalized after his fight with Nolan.
There's no outrunning to be done. He literally tried that but couldn't because it was inside him.

You really need to check before you say excessively misleading incorrect info like this.

Viltrumites also don't use their full speed on a planet due to the catastrophic collateral damage that level of speed would deal (Thragg beat Battle Beast without blowing up the planet from sheer speed, and the only example I can see of a Viltrumite using sheer speed to devastate a population is when Omni Man killed the Flaxan world and that was to prevent them from invading again).

You mean the fight with a person who Thragg deliberately vowed to have a fair, no bullshit fist fight against out of respect for Battle Beast wounding himself so they would be on equal standing? On the planet he absolutely needed for his revenge plot?

You really got to stop leaving out critical details.

Plus, Viltrumites regularly have conversations with far slower opponents while fighting them.

Uh, no, they don't, and if they do, they sure ain't "fighting", mayhaps you're thinking of the show and not the comic.
Hey did you know in the comic Omniman killed every single Guardian besides Immortal before they could react?

So it's likely that Thragg doesn't read a billion philosophy books or get multiple PHDs or whatever before Gojo opens his domain.

It's just as likely you're confusing comic for show and don't even remember half of what you're talking about either.

He absolutely CAN with his massive speed advantage, but it's not likely he's literally just gonna perception blitz cuz no one in Invincible chooses to act this way even if they are capable of it.

Yeah yuh huh, and Gojo doesn't start fights with this and that, and also this 99% of the time, technically speaking Gojo starts most fights with basic punches or doing nothing at all against 99% of foes but yet here we are.

Thragg also has a really bad habit of taking hits when he doesn't need to simply cuz he's strong enough, with the only attack he bothers dodging every time being Space Racer's gun due to prep time.

"Thragg let's people he has full knowledge of take a hit on him, ignore the times he's gone on record saying don't let random foes get a drop on you".

Heck the show also showcases this when Thragg literally headbonks all of Mark's attacks cuz he's strong enough to literally ignore everything.

And in the comic we have him going out of his way showing standard battle tactics, stop conflating canons, stop FORGETTING basic details just to take things out of context. like what are you doing?

Against Gojo, a character who's significantly weaker than almost every character in Invincible much less other Viltrumites, I see no reason why Thragg wouldn't treat him the same way.

How tf would he know? Does Thragg get full prior knowledge now? If so his immediate lead is going to be to circumvent the fight entirely.

Unlike the Immortal or Omni Man, "yeet into space" isn't Thragg's go-to.

It's literally everyone's go-to, what are you talking about, Thragg explicitly knows all of Nolan's tactics.
You're just confusing the fact 90% of Thragg's fights already take place in space, that or it's against another viltrumite.

To be fair, Thragg obviously doesn't do this all the time, but he doesn't it enough times for me to at least bring it up

Methinks we should apply this same sort of thinking to Gojo.

I'm still unsure of what to vote here. It really depends on how quickly Thragg resorts to throwing the ground beneath Gojo's feet into space since even though that's not an in-character move, thragg is simply that much faster.

It's going to be an in-character move when he punches him, then punches him harder and that shit don't work, like pray tell what you think is going to happen? Punch a 3rd time? Like he isn't a dumbass, doesn't take a genius to figure out something is preventing physical contact so work around it even if he doesn't know what that thing is.

 

[Mickey1940]

Literally not true. It's adapted and fine tuned to what Gojo has it set for. It doesn't have infinite processing speed, it isn't going to stop the Flash from ripping Gojo's balls off, and there's a slew of shit that Gojo would never have factored into it's processing because why would he?

Infinity is only automated so far that basic stuff and JJK adjacent stuff get filtered out, and even then you're going to damn well need to prove Infinity can do that against stuff so fast it's, unironically, tens of billions of times faster than Gojo.

But yes, everyone has already said punching won't work.

well yeah it doesn't have infinite processing speed, that's not what I'm trying to say
if Thragg was using smthn new that Infinity has never seen before, then yeah he just blitzes it
but we both agree that punches don't do anything so yee

Why would Gojo get the chance to teleport? He's not going to get the chance to do anything, the speed gap is astronomical.
And since when could Gojo trap air in Infinity? Why would he even know to do that? Why would that even matter it's not there's an actual infinite distance or volume between him and the outside to trap any meaningful amount of air in there to begin with.
Also don't really like how you faced that with "pretty sure", either it can, or can't.

it's moreso once Thragg throws Gojo into space, he wouldn't really chase him cuz why would he
and I only mentioned trapping air in Infinity since it's technically something he could do, but I also mentioned why that doesn't matter even if he could
you don't need to argue for the sake of literally nothing. I'm agreeing with you here

Literally untrue. Why do you think normal humans can last 0.2 seconds? Bit of an oxymoron for it to be infinite all at once but you can just divide by time to get safe thresholds.
You're confusing an infinite stream of information, with just infinite in general. One's an ongoing indefinite process, one's just all that shit at once. Gojo is very, very, not up for debate, in the former camp.

• Unlimited Void:
  • Domain Expansion (Type 1), which has Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 1) & Paralysis Inducement (Unlimited Void is a metaphysical territory that forces the targets to feel everything, suppressing their thought process and actions altogether by inputting an infinite amount of information into them. This effect is powerful enough to put a high-level cursed spirit like Jogo into a catatonic state, unable to process anything, and render regular humans unconscious, requiring two months of rehabilitation to heal from, despite only being subjected to only 0.2 seconds worth of the information stream. Unlimited Void can also affect souls

idk man, it says infinite on his profile and that's how it's described in series by "having no end" and "seeing/feeling everything" all at once.
the 0.2 seconds thing might be the human limit of how long the infinite information can stay in a human brain without causing completely irreparable damage, but that's just my own headcanon.
I'm not gonna pretend like I know exactly how it works, but "infinite" and "endless" are the words used to describe it on the profile and in the series, so idk what to tell you

Yeah and Gojo doesn't use his full speed in most contexts either like talking, walking, and living, what sort of argument is this? That doesn't apply to a fight, it's not like there's a speed switch or some shit, they always still have it.

it's moreso the fact that Gojo will most likely operate at his max speed before Thragg does cuz... why would Thragg ever need to against Gojo

Yes, Mark was incap'd by the invisible attacks, outputted by someone who he can't kill, can't really harm, and who he thought was his friend and thus had zero reason to even be on guard and by the time it happened it was already to late.
Holy false equivalence Batman. Also grossly incorrect, the soundwaves was emitted by a piece inside his own head that Cecil put there when they had him hospitalized after his fight with Nolan.
There's no outrunning to be done. He literally tried that but couldn't because it was inside him.

idk man, it looks like the soundwaves are coming from Robot's armor, which Rex literally tells to his face. Yeah Rex is on par with him but the soundwaves really shouldn't be an issue since Mark is so much faster than them

You mean the fight with a person who Thragg deliberately vowed to have a fair, no bullshit fist fight against out of respect for Battle Beast wounding himself so they would be on equal standing? On the planet he absolutely needed for his revenge plot?

You really got to stop leaving out critical details.

that implies that neither character was able to fight at max speed since if they did, the planet would necessarily have been destroyed since in-world physics says so. Invinicible characters don't have ki control like Dragon Ball that allows them to reduce collateral damage, and they have no in-universe explanation to support any of that either

leaving out the details doesn't matter since it would just prove my point. Viltrumites don't always fight at max speed. The REASON behind that decision doesn't actually matter since the RESULT of ANY context of ANY situation I use as an example would still = "Viltrumites don't always fight at max speed". The details of the Battle Beast fight is just additional reasoning to WHY Thragg didn't fight at max speed

Uh, no, they don't, and if they do, they sure ain't "fighting", mayhaps you're thinking of the show and not the comic.
Hey did you know in the comic Omniman killed every single Guardian besides Immortal before they could react?

ok I didn't know that, that's fair

Yeah yuh huh, and Gojo doesn't start fights with this and that, and also this 99% of the time, technically speaking Gojo starts most fights with basic punches or doing nothing at all against 99% of foes but yet here we are.

Gojo can sense cursed energy. He senses Thragg and immediately realizes that this man is flying despite not having any cursed energy which doesn't make any sense meaning he's on guard
Not having cursed energy = Heavenly Restriction = why the **** is this guy flying
meanwhile Thragg has seen thousands if not millions of different civilizations with their own cornuncopia of abilities and yet for the most part he chooses to do nothing cuz he can afford to do so
It's far more likely that Gojo will be on guard immediately since he's experiencing something completely contradictory to the laws of his own world, meanwhile Thragg sees a guy that punches and shoots red and blue projectiles that he doesn't care about since he can just facetank everything except Unlimited Void. Thragg will probably grow suspicious if he can't hurt Gojo, but Thragg doing NOTHING is still going to set alarms off in Gojo's mind
You could argue that Gojo wouldn't even bother using Unlimited Void against someone with no cursed energy cuz Heavenly Restriction users can't be caught in domains, however Gojo will 1. likely try it anyways if literally nothing else works since nothing else works, and 2. Binding Vows can allow domains to target inanimate objects as well as just whatever is in the domain so Thragg can still be affected

"Thragg let's people he has full knowledge of take a hit on him, ignore the times he's gone on record saying don't let random foes get a drop on you".

And in the comic we have him going out of his way showing standard battle tactics, stop conflating canons, stop FORGETTING basic details just to take things out of context. like what are you doing?

How tf would he know? Does Thragg get full prior knowledge now? If so his immediate lead is going to be to circumvent the fight entirely.

It's literally everyone's go-to, what are you talking about, Thragg explicitly knows all of Nolan's tactics.
You're just confusing the fact 90% of Thragg's fights already take place in space, that or it's against another viltrumite.

i mean if Thragg does do what you say in the comics then yeah Thragg just throws into space gg, I can't disagree with that. He doesn't do this in the show in any capacity but if he does so in the comics then I guess I'll agree to this

Methinks we should apply this same sort of thinking to Gojo.

It's going to be an in-character move when he punches him, then punches him harder and that shit don't work, like pray tell what you think is going to happen? Punch a 3rd time? Like he isn't a dumbass, doesn't take a genius to figure out something is preventing physical contact so work around it even if he doesn't know what that thing is.

again, it's in character for Gojo to pull out his bag of tricks when he sees a no cursed energy individual flying cuz it fundamentally contradicts the laws of JJK


Can I also mention that you can have a debate without being rude? like have you ever considered that?
I don't care if I lose an argument with a faceless nobody on the internet. This is a website where people who wanna have fun seeing their favorite characters fight can have the freedom to have fun
I see what you're doing. You're deliberately avoiding using direct insults and there's nowhere in the rules that says you can't be a condescending prick, but like, hear me out: have you considered NOT being a condescending prick?
like, I agree with most of the stuff you're saying in this thread, and I agree Thragg wins. But like, being nicer costs nothing, and also saves you time by just... writing fewer unnecessary sentences
idk man, I'm not you, idk what your life is, but I feel like being nice to people makes my OWN day better. It might make yours better too!

 

[Thunderman101]

Can I also mention that you can have a debate without being rude? like have you ever considered that?
I don't care if I lose an argument with a faceless nobody on the internet. This is a website where people who wanna have fun seeing their favorite characters fight can have the freedom to have fun
I see what you're doing. You're deliberately avoiding using direct insults and there's nowhere in the rules that says you can't be a condescending prick, but like, hear me out: have you considered NOT being a condescending prick?
like, I agree with most of the stuff you're saying in this thread, and I agree Thragg wins. But like, being nicer costs nothing, and also saves you time by just... writing fewer unnecessary sentences
idk man, I'm not you, idk what your life is, but I feel like being nice to people makes my OWN day better. It might make yours better too!

feels the aura

 

[Mommyleona]

Op hasn't been active since march and this is still going

 

[DRW001]

Voting for Thragg if it isn't a stomp since Thragg statues Gojo hard (and if it ain't a stomp, shouldn't this be added to the profiles now?)

 

[Viktorian97]

Voting for gojo FRA

 

[AyOgUyS]

Voting for gojo FRA

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[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I see arguments saying that Thragg just has to send Gojo into space to win, but what would prevent Gojo from teleporting to Earth so he doesn't end up suffocated?

 

[Mickey1940]

I see arguments saying that Thragg just has to send Gojo into space to win, but what would prevent Gojo from teleporting to Earth so he doesn't end up suffocated?

Gojo doesn't have the range necessary to travel interstellar distances

 

[Nanashi]

so basically Viltrumites move really really fast

that doesn't bypass infinity

Yeah thought the same cause the subatomic stuff only serves as a parameter boost for them and not an effect they can control to actually interact with people at subatomic levels, leaning towards incon though