Gojo jjk vs thragg Invincible (Comics)

[Doggo]

To be clear, external influences must be excluded. For instance, the argument that Thragg wouldn't destroy Earth due to its resource value is a political consideration, which has no place in an SBA evaluation. This should be viewed purely as a competitive arena, nothing more.

That's not what the rule means?

It means that Gojo can't get help from Invicible Heroes or Jujutsu Sorcerers in battle unless specified.

It has nothing to do with how Thragg interacts with the environment.

Reread the rule:

Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way. That means they may not join the fight, grant buffs, create shields, provide information etc. Exceptions are things like blessings, calling upon some higher entities' power for a spell, summoning familiars to battle for them, having another character as equipment, or more generally spoken the things which are listed on the profile as part of a character's own powers and abilities.

Anyone with basic reading comprehension would know that nothing you said is remotely related to external influences. Thragg not wanting to destroy the planet due to its importance to him is not outside help. That is simply how his character acts, and SBA does not change that at all.

 

[Lewis]

That's not what the rule means?

It means that Gojo can't get help from Invicible Heroes or Jujutsu Sorcerers in battle unless specified.

It has nothing to do with how Thragg interacts with the environment.

Reread the rule:



Anyone with basic reading comprehension would know that nothing you said is remotely related to external influences. Thragg not wanting to destroy the planet due to its importance to him is not outside help. That is simply how his character acts, and SBA does not change that at all.

That's not what the rule means?

It means that Gojo can't get help from Invicible Heroes or Jujutsu Sorcerers in battle unless specified.

It has nothing to do with how Thragg interacts with the environment.

Reread the rule:



Anyone with basic reading comprehension would know that nothing you said is remotely related to external influences. Thragg not wanting to destroy the planet due to its importance to him is not outside help. That is simply how his character acts, and SBA does not change that at all.

It's ridiculous to assume Thragg would remain stationary for years just to let Gojo activate his Domain. According to the SBA, even 'In character,' he is driven to win the fight. Standing still and accepting death isn't in his nature, and it certainly doesn't align with the rule that characters will not give up of their own accord."

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord

 

[Doggo]

It's ridiculous to assume Thragg would remain stationary for years just to let Gojo activate his Domain. According to the SBA, even 'In character,' he is driven to win the fight. Standing still and accepting death isn't in his nature, and it certainly doesn't align with the rule that characters will not give up of their own accord."

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord

Don't change the subject. We are talking about your claim regarding external influence. You're just shifting to another argument without addressing your blatant attempt to manipulate the meaning of the rules.

Yes, Thragg would try to win the battle, but the keyword is "In-character." You said yourself, and guess what Thragg would do in character? Not immediately destroying the planet!

Also, its ridicolous to assume Thragg won't try to even talk to Gojo, maybe to mock him for relying on a spatial ability to stay alive, which gives Gojo the chance he needs for a domain. You're assuming he's going to 100% lock in and not pause to talk against this total weakling.

Standing still and accepting death isn't in his nature, and it certainly doesn't align with the rule that characters will not give up of their own accord."

And? From Thragg's perspective, Gojo is a weakling who is FAR WEAKER AND FAR SLOWER than he is. He is nothing more than an ant who can't harm him. So weak that the rule where you can see CE under life or death scenarios won't apply here.

Thragg won't see the domain

Thragg won't feel threatened because he has NO REASON to believe this ant can one-shot him with a hand sign.

 

[Lewis]

Don't change the subject. We are talking about your claim regarding external influence. You're just shifting to another argument without addressing your blatant attempt to manipulate the meaning of the rules.

Yes, Thragg would try to win the battle, but the keyword is "In-character." You said yourself, and guess what Thragg would do in character? Not immediately destroying the planet!

Also, its ridicolous to assume Thragg won't try to even talk to Gojo, maybe to mock him for relying on a spatial ability to stay alive, which gives Gojo the chance he needs for a domain. You're assuming he's going to 100% lock in and not pause to talk against this total weakling.


And? From Thragg's perspective, Gojo is a weakling who is FAR WEAKER AND FAR SLOWER than he is. He is nothing more than an ant who can't harm him. So weak that the rule where you can see CE under life or death scenarios won't apply here.

Thragg won't see the domain

Thragg won't feel threatened because he has NO REASON to believe this ant can one-shot him with a hand sign.

Thragg won't feel threatened because he has NO REASON to believe this ant can one-shot him with a hand sign.

The battle hasn't even started yet, so why assume Gojo is just an 'ant' to Thragg? According to SBA rules, both characters have no prior knowledge of each other. If Thragg initiates an attack and it proves completely ineffective, that alone serves as proof that Gojo is not as 'weak' as you claim."

 

[Doggo]

The battle hasn't even started yet, so why assume Gojo is just an 'ant' to Thragg? According to SBA rules, both characters have no prior knowledge of each other. If Thragg initiates an attack and it proves completely ineffective, that alone serves as proof that Gojo is not as 'weak' as you claim."

Mate, Thragg's first move won't be to bust the planet. And again, it will take some time for him to consider such an option, given Earth's importance to him. Unirocally, its mroe liekly for Thragg to retreat from the fight than destroy the Earth lol.

Thragg would view him as weak for the mere fact that Gojo is literally BILLIONS OF TIMES WEAKER AND SLOWER THAN HIM. Yes Gojo is indeed an ant to him.

 

[Arkenis]

To be clear, external influences must be excluded. For instance, the argument that Thragg wouldn't destroy Earth due to its resource value is a political consideration, which has no place in an SBA evaluation. This should be viewed purely as a competitive arena, nothing more.

Not at all. SBA takes their character into account, they wanna win but they won't just abandon their goals.

 

[Jaynic1]

I think thragg stomps regardless due to the reasons arkenis brought up. Domain will almost certainly land, it just might not do anything since he can process all the information.

 

[Sooshirohl]

would gojo be able to just like, SI thragg and convince him to leave or something? cause that's the only other way i see him winning if UV doesn't work. if thragg's processing speed really does outclass UV then gojo basically has no wincons, if it doesn't then i still side with gojo just using domain before thragg destroys the planet

 

[Mickey1940]

It's ridiculous to assume Thragg would remain stationary for years just to let Gojo activate his Domain. According to the SBA, even 'In character,' he is driven to win the fight. Standing still and accepting death isn't in his nature, and it certainly doesn't align with the rule that characters will not give up of their own accord."

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord

Invincible characters can slow themselves down to have conversations. If Gojo does anything and Thragg lets it happen it's not going to be eternities for Thragg unless he actually wants to do something about the domain.

The main argument is whether or not Thragg blows up the planet before Gojo even thinks about a domain that Thragg can't see or sense

 

[Nanashi]

Well, the Viltrumites' Smart Atoms are able to manipulate certain subatomic processes in their molecules so it allows changes in mass that allows them to fly at super high speeds for example. However... I dunno, stills a bit odd how this would actually help them getting through Mugen, because these processes are more of a intrinsic thing so for me at least it is a bit unknown if the Smart Atoms do bypasses Mugen or not.

 

[Hecky2222]

Gojo fra

 

[Mickey1940]

Well, the Viltrumites' Smart Atoms are able to manipulate certain subatomic processes in their molecules so it allows changes in mass that allows them to fly at super high speeds for example. However... I dunno, stills a bit odd how this would actually help them getting through Mugen, because these processes are more of a intrinsic thing so for me at least it is a bit unknown if the Smart Atoms do bypasses Mugen or not.

so basically Viltrumites move really really fast

that doesn't bypass infinity

 

[AyOgUyS]

Thragg FRA cuz of MFTL+ processing speed allowing him to process the information of unlimited void

 

[Keshirou]

Thragg FRA cuz of MFTL+ processing speed allowing him to process the information of unlimited void

Not how it works at all. And i highly doubt that Thragg would withstand against soul damage also.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Not how it works at all.

how so?

And i highly doubt that Thragg would withstand against soul damage also.

since when did gojo have soul damage?

 

[Hecky2222]

since when did gojo have soul damage?

his UV seems like to have Soul Damage. Check profile

 

[Cipher72]

since when did gojo have soul damage?

Referring to this I assume

Unlimited Void can also affect souls

• Jujutsu Kaisen, Chapter 230: "Inhuman Makyo Shinjuku Showdown, Part 8"

his UV seems like to have Soul Damage. Check profile

It damaged Megumi's soul iirc

 

[Hecky2222]

It damaged Megumi's soul iirc

bro had to delete msg to reply me

 

[Cipher72]

bro had to delete msg to reply me

Edit you mean ? I just didn't wanna clutter the thread because this is gonna be long.

 

[Hecky2222]

Edit you mean ? I just didn't wanna clutter the thread because this is gonna be long.

you can edit and reply to another msgs? That shit didnt work on me bruh

 

[AThe1412]

you can edit and reply to another msgs? That shit didnt work on me bruh

Just press reply then copy paste the quote from the reply box to the post you're editing.

 

[Foriaa]

How would Gojo capture someone millions of times faster than him in a Domain?

 

[Keshirou]

Why would we assume that Thragg moves at MFTL+ in air?

 

[Foriaa]

Why would we assume that Thragg moves at MFTL+ in air?

Um, does his speed randomly change if hes moving in air? Looking at his profile, there doesn't seem to be a distinction between his speed in a vacuum or air

 

[Keshirou]

Um, does his speed randomly change if hes moving in air? Looking at his profile, there doesn't seem to be a distinction between his speed in a vacuum or air

Because i dont think that TRAVEL speed in SPACE is equal to combat speed in atmosphere
Its like how air density works

 

[Foriaa]

Lowering their speed within an atmosphere would require a CRT, as of now, no distinction is made between their speed in a vacuum vs in an atmosphere

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Gojo FRA via Doggo's reasoning

Thragg has no reason to assume a hand sign will kill him when he knows Gojo is far weaker than him

 

[Chariot190]

I doubt Thragg's first thought would be "Oh, that guy is gonna one-shot me if he does that hand sign, quick! I gotta bust this planet."

y'all are lowkey assuming he is immediately gonna see the danger and do his main wincon, when it's more likely he would look down at Gojo upon realizing he is FAR weaker than him and not expect that he can mind hax him to oblivion.

Unless Thragg has prior knowledge, I don't see why he would resort to planet-busting before Gojo pulls out UV.

Thragg punches him.
Doesn't work.
Thragg tries again.
Doesn't work.
Thragg not being an idiot says aight and either throws the land beneath his feat into space with him on it, or turns the area into a vapid hot zone that's inhospitable and Gojo just dies either way.

All without him needing to know UV is a thing, which, even if he didn't, he could react in time before it gets to bad and do either or.

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Cipher72]

Based on the current profile for both, Thragg has enough time to try punching Gojo, contemplate his entire existence, get a hair cut, read 500 philosophy books and still have enough time to

throws the land beneath his feat into space with him on it, or turns the area into a vapid hot zone that's inhospitable

Gojo's wincons requires Thragg to

• Wait a literal eternity to see what Gojo does

Which I doubt Thragg will, just like Gojo's possible actions are exhaustive so are Thragg's the only difference is Gojo is more likely to use UV (his wincon) more than Thragg but that's irrelevant because Thragg (currently) is so much faster that Thragg has enough time to try out everything and will try out everything before Gojo does anything. So yea Thragg wins imo

 

[AyOgUyS]

his UV seems like to have Soul Damage. Check profile

huh, ok. my bad y'all.

 

[Thunderman101]

gojo fra. Thragg often takes hits from those he sees weaker

 

[AyOgUyS]

Anyway I'll be voting Thragg. He's not an idiot. He's an experienced combatant with like hundreds of years of experience. Once he realizes his punches don't work, he will probably assume Infinity is some kind of invisible forcefield and just try to brute force it with all his strength and once that doesn't work he'll get impatient waiting for ten fucktillion years for gojo to move a single centimeter and lowkenuinely just atmosphere nuke diffs him.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I don't agree with this interpretation of perception

Perception is how fast you can process and register something coming at you, not seeing stuff in slow motion

 

[Chariot190]

gojo fra. Thragg often takes hits from those he sees weaker

He also often completely mauls and murders people before they even get a chance to blink.
Context matters.
Him letting a known target get a hit in out of respect isn't the same as letting complete actual fodder throw hands on him. He even teaches his kids this in general fight training.

This also doesn't matter, Gojo doesn't lead with UV, Gojo's first hit will be completely completely different, in which Thragg will kindly immediately respond with retaliation back even in your best case situation, realize this dude is borderline untouchable, and just say aight screw this and circumvent the fight entirely before Gojo gets a follow up or can realize "oh this dude is a tank".

 

[AyOgUyS]

I don't agree with this interpretation of perception

Perception is how fast you can process and register something coming at you, not seeing stuff in slow motion

I am 99% certain invincible literally has a character showcasing that speedsters view the world in slow mo and that everything feels longer to them

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Even if we accept that

That argument is still not usable due to it not being in the profile (slow motion is considered an ability)

 

[AyOgUyS]

Even if we accept that

That argument is still not usable due to it not being in the profile (slow motion is considered an ability)

I am 99.999999999999999999999% sure this is not how the wiki treats incredibly fast reactions and perceptions but I'll let more knowledgeable people speak on that

 

[Thunderman101]

He also often completely mauls and murders people before they even get a chance to blink.
Context matters.
Him letting a known target get a hit in out of respect isn't the same as letting complete actual fodder throw hands on him. He even teaches his kids this in general fight training.

This also doesn't matter, Gojo doesn't lead with UV, Gojo's first hit will be completely completely different, in which Thragg will kindly immediately respond with retaliation back even in your best case situation, realize this dude is borderline untouchable, and just say aight screw this and circumvent the fight entirely before Gojo gets a follow up or can realize "oh this dude is a tank".

dont see why gojo wouldnt go for unlimited void as soon as his normal stuff dsoent work. Arent viltrumites egos through the roof too? if thragg tries insta speedblitzing thragg and it fails, i dont see why gojo would think hes way above his level in at least some way.

 

[Chariot190]

Even if we accept that

That argument is still not usable due to it not being in the profile (slow motion is considered an ability)

No it isn't my dude, at all.
That's not how it works here, that's not how it will ever work here.
Perception/reaction speed is how we rate that. You're very clearly confusing characters who can bolster their innate perception on top of that (Link, Raiden, etc.) with an ability, as needing an ability at all to perceive things slow. You don't, you just need to be have a specific speed value.