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God Toppo vs Dormammu (GRACE)
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Hadn't it worked on attacks of Vegeta, Frieza &/or Goku? Were they not comparable to or even Toppo's equal, if not stronger than him?
Looking at Dormammu firing an energy beam, as linked earlier in the thread....
Powerful as it is, I'm not sure it has an impact. Doctor Strange puts up a magical shield, & that shield is... disintegrated? Deconstructed? By the beam?
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iirc, Strange feat is accepted as an outlier, because it would make 2-C Doctor Strange lmao
Coolboy6
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Dr strange blocking those is plot induced stupidity and an outlier
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this
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What are dormamo's wincons and toppos?
toppo has a passive God of destruction Energy aura that gives him EE [Works on people, objects, energy blasts, souls, spirits] void manipulation and non physical interaction. Plus he can shoot hakai orbs to that have God of destruction energy properties, how does dormamo respond to this?
toppo has a passive God of destruction Energy aura that gives him EE [Works on people, objects, energy blasts, souls, spirits] void manipulation and non physical interaction. Plus he can shoot hakai orbs to that have God of destruction energy properties, how does dormamo respond to this?
Coolboy6
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Oh idk, what would happen if Jiren would throw an energy blast at Toppo?
Coolboy6
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Toppo has no wincons. Hakai is slow AF
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That seems reasonable; If I recall, Stephen was killed, easily, many times by Dormammu during his attempts at bargaining.
But Stephen's success or failure in blocking wasn't why I brought it up.
This is why I brought up Stephen attempting to block the beam.
"destroyed due the impact alone of it"?
The impact of an energy beam that is likely massless? Stephen is utterly destroyed by it, but beyond his particles scattering, he doesn't appear to move.
EE seems to be Toppo's win conditions. Dormammu's win condition is a huge AP/Statistical advantage.
I would also say that there's also some debate over if this is a stomp, since, AFAIK, God of Destruction energy has only been shown being resisted via Ki, rather than Strength.
I don't know either, because, as far as I know, this did not happen. I'm unsure of the point of this speculation.
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Also lest say that ki can overpower hax by being stronger than the Opponent something that isn't accepted in the wiki as far I know, you need a ctr for it it's a trait special to ki, not to every goddamn enery source in fiction. so unless Dourmamo has the game type of ki as dbz "being stronger and having more energy thus he counter EE hurdhur" isn't an argument
He either has Resistance To EE or he doesn't
He either has Resistance To EE or he doesn't
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No, the charging is slow, the speed isn't
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You said "it's resisted by having stronger /more ki" which isn't accepted in the wiki for now, it's a trait to ki
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So that means that Dormammu would breathe on Toppo and he would die before he would do anything
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So the attack needs to land on toppo, which gets negged by a passive Hakai aura
Coolboy6
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That wouldn’t work. Dormammu is too strong. The user of Hakai isn’t strong enough to do anything to Dormammu
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Toppo activates his aura and goes to sleep
Dormammu is unquantifiable and somewhere in this tier
inconclusive fra
Coolboy6
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Omg did you forget how Broly vs Toppo went down?
Coolboy6
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Nah, stomp. Toppo’s aura was only seen working on weaker opponents
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Then what were Vegeta & Frieza doing when they were engulfed in God of Destruction Energy & NOT getting erased?
Hakai Aura Erases the Existence of the attack; You can be throwing whatever tier of fireballs or fists, in most cases, being a higher tier doesn't necessarily mean you're harder to erase.
Which events in Dragon Ball are you referring to here?
Are you saying Frieza, Goku & Vegeta are all weaker than Toppo?
Also: As Risinglions said: "Points to the amount of times Toppo states he can easily erase people if doing so wasn't against the rules
Toppo warping infinite space with a pea sized amount of ki"
Generally, if a character makes a statement, we tend to favor believing it, don't we? & Toppo seemed to be very confidently stating he could erase the others, didn't he?
Coolboy6
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The vs thread. Where have you been man?
Yes. They were at the time. Unless Goku uses kaioken and Vegeta uses ssbe
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I often do not participate in Dragon Ball Versus Threads.
Basis for this assertion?
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Again he stated he couldn't actually erase anybody if he wanted to, so he was holding back. Dormammu doesn't have ki nor does he have resistance to EE so that's kinda a false equivalence.
He also got affected by the time stone which with maximum wank is baseline tier 2 at best.
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What's stopping toppo from erasing all dora's energy attacks and hus passive aura resists all those other attacks as well. It takes one hakai to win.
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When Toppo first transformed, Golden Frieza is weaker than Toppo. Vegeta needed to go ssbe to beat Toppo.
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Pretty much everything that Dormammu can do. Dormammu can reverse the Hakai effects via Time manipulation.
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You need to be stronger than the opponent in order to bypass Hakai.
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He wasn’t using ki and the persons that gave him the Hakai was weak compared to him.
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& when they went into those forms, in every instance, Toppo's GoD Aura failed to erase their energy attacks & melee attacks?
How do you know Frieza was not using Ki?
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Currently, I choose to abstain from voting because of an unresolved debate on whether or not Toppo has an achievable win condition or not; If he has 1, it's not a Stomp, & voting is something to do. If he has none, it's a Stomp & voting is pointless, because Stomp Threads don't get added.
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A god of destruction weaker than frieza?
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If we are going by the site, Sidra is a lot stronger than Frieza at that time
Coolboy6
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did you not see the fight? Vegeta was still hurting Toppo
Because he was using his strength and Beerus effortlessly blew the Hakai away
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I still vote inconclusive but Dormammu has no way to touch Toppo and I don't know the AP gap.
