God Tier Hazbin Hotel Revisions

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Adam's feat calc​

It was accepted that Adam's feat calc is vaporization for the reasons here, but this really proves nothing. If I evaporate a small rock with a laser, this does not mean this laser will be able to vaporize a large building. AKA, it can simply be pulverization, yeah.

Vox​

I remade an old calc, and it was accepted. It should scale to his durability (he is seen absorping everything, thus causing the blackout), but not AP, since there is nothing suggesting that.
And no, there was no fight between him and Al. Thus, he becomes Mountain level in Durability.

Spoiler: REASONS

"Vox defeated Alastor in the past"​

Where do people even get the idea that Vox is stronger than Alastor, you ask? The gist of it is in a certain line from Valentino: "You are still pissed he almost beat you that time". While this seems like a valid argument at first glance, the context clearly implies that Valentino was not referring to Vox being a winner all by himself, if not to the fight at all.

Option 1:​

Valentione meant the competition between the radio and the TV, i.e. Alastor and Vox in spheres of influence. Alastor could "almost beat" Vox because his popularity almost got the better of Vox, but then he disappeared for seven years. This is hinted at by Vox's subsequent actions right after the statement: he highlights that it's been along time since Alastor has gone, and he's going to "show who's really in charge of things now" and that he "is gonna make Alastor wish that he (Alastor) stayed gone". However, what do we see right after that? He simply blackmails Alastor on TV[6] (and fails). If it was a physical fight that he lost, why didn't he "show who's really in charge of things now" by physically beating up Alastor? Blackmailing him wouldn't show anything at all in terms of that. Obviously, he's just showing who has more influence in Hell now, which makes Valentino talking about influence have far more sense.

Option 2​

It was a physical fight, but Alastor actually was winning. Everything still points to Vox not winning the battle himself. First and foremost, Alastor hints that Vox would have been helpless without the help of the other Vs, which Valentino and Velvet themselves confirm with their smirk, implying that they came for help when Alastor "almost beat" Vox. Also, from Alastor's battle with Adam, we clearly know that Alastor "getting ******" only evokes positive emotions in Vox, to the point it makes him geniunely happy and he says that "this is better than sex". Yes, he got angry later after Adam let Radio Deer escape, but in his part of the Finale song, he is still pretty much happy about the outcome, but Vox react very negatively to the very statement that is supposed to he did beat Alastor. Supportingly, throughout the series, whenever Alastor is even slightly mentioned, he acts childish, very irritated and irrational (shutting down all of the channels just to shit on Alastor which will certainly make your business go down is NOT rational), which is a clear contrast to how in control and moderate he was shown to be before Valentino mentioned the Radio Demon. Vox was so angry with Alastor that he caused a power outage throughout the entire Pentagram City, even though Alastor only sang for less than just a minute. And Vox's face was clearly scared when Alastor threatened him at the end of "Stayed Gone".

In conclusion, Vox had never defeated Alastor, and judging by their interactions, Alastor is clearly much more powerful than the TV Demon. Last thing as supportive, he possesses an unimaginable level of raw power no mortal soul had attained up until that point, even the strongest Overlords who dominated for centuries, which should put him above Vox since Sinners are not born with power, having to perform dealings and exchange souls in order to grow more powerful, and those Overlords should have had much more souls than Vox.

He also should have Resistance to Electricity Manipulation for obvious reasons.

Alastor​

Scaling​

He should scale to Vox in both AP and Durability on the scale "At least Mountain level, likely far higher" for the reasons below:
Possesses an unimaginable level of raw power no mortal soul had attained up until that point, rivaling Hell's most destructive evils, which enabled him to overthrow Overlords who have ruled for centuries seemingly overnight, which should mean that he is capable of damaging and taking down Vox, since Sinners are not born with power, having to perform dealings and exchange souls in order to grow more powerful, and those Overlords should have had much more souls than Vox, and should be able to do so with his tentacles, as they are his main way of attacking, and Alastor himself is completely unbothered by those tentacles growing out of his back. Was feared by Charlie before they got to know each other and was thought by her as the best option against Adam.
He should also have "even higher" rating due to harming Adam and making him stroke his chin and call Alastor "tough shit".

Intelligence​

Either adding more justifications or upgrading it to Genius/possibly Genius. First of all, remove taking on Overlords part. He did it via raw power as stated by Vaggie and as I linked above. Secondly, he was able to make a TV commercial that even Vaggie was very happy about after making a deal with Vaggie despite hating modern technology, something Vaggie really struggled with. Made another commercial even earlier. Can also play several instruments, including the piano, violin, trumpet, and saxophone.

Abilities​

• Resistance to Power Nullification
  • Even after getting his cane broken, which heavily weakened him and nullified his demon form, his radio filter still worked while getting stabbed by the Angelic Weapon, Adam's guitar axe, even though Angelic Weapons nullified and disabled Stolas' magic during the direct contact with him.
• Resistance to Regeneration Negation
  • After being stabbed by an Angelic Weapon, he was later seen without a wounddespite it being seen seconds before.
• Reality Warping being separated into separate abilities.
  • Currently, he has something like "Altered the clothes of the Happy Hotel staff", which just links the ability into the justification... we don't do that. It's an indexing website, after all. Otherwise, we could have simply put "Magic" and all of the abilities into the justifications.
• Remove Soul Rupture and move it to Sinner Physiology as "Limited"
  • He could have indeed ripped his soul apart as Overlords literally ownthe souls, however any Sinner can do that if and only if he makes a deal with one to own one's soul.
• Death Manipulation should be Limited
  • Simple, he never used it against anybody against whom it could have come in handy, like Adam. It seemingly works on plants only.
• New justifications for Social Influencing
  • The old one is from comics that take place many years ago. Nowadays, not so many people fear him due to his disappearance for 7 years. A better one would be "Convinced Charlie and Vaggie to make a deal with him despite both agreeing to never make one.
• Creation
  
  • Created a camera and a video camera by just snapping.
• Resistance to Electricity Manipulation
  • Unbothered by his own electricity going through his body.
• Can dematerialize to avoid things (idk what is this)

Speed​

Was feared by Charlie before they got to know each other and was thought by her as the best option against Adam. Kept up with Adam, easily dodging his attacks. Although he gets tagged by him later, the shockwave actually blinded him (he legit closes his eyes) and Al was able to block it anyways. After that, he was weakened due to his cane being broken (he legit says "****" after his cane broken and runs away from Adam despite being unbothered by the actual scar) + in affect state.

Lifting Strength​

New justification: restrained Adam.

Stamina​

Just a little addition: he always smiles. Forced smile is a compulsion for various reasons. It is unnatural and requies efforts to do it.

Weaknesses​

Reword it that he won’t be able to access his full demon form and will become heavily weakened after getting cane broken (due to it being an extension of himself), but not completely powerless. Also, add that is very arrogant and can refrain from using some advantages despite being capable to, and that he will heavily look down on opponents he sees as weak. Hates people who are undoubtedly superior to him like Lucifer.
Alastor is a character that keeps many abilities hidden as he enjoys being unpredictable. He will sometimes feign an inability to do things that he can actually do, partly to subvert expectations, partly to be intentionally antagonistic and force the people around him to struggle with something he could easily have done.

FTL goes away​

Simple. FTL comes from this. Lucifer was not taking Adam seriously at all, and once he got mad, he literally blitzed him. Thus, no reason to say he was at his fastest when flying.

Charlie​

Speed​

Tagged Adam off-guard and seemingly kept up with him later. Could react to Adam's flight.

Weaknesses​

Is heavily pacifist to the point she is only defensive against the Exterminators and says “sorry” after defending herself, although she will go all out if she becomes furious. Remove the “can be killed by Angelic Weapons” part as it is more of a feat for AWs than her own weakness.

Angelic Weapons​

Possibly Durability Negation? Charlie's Angelic Trident, that she creates through her own power casually, effortlessly penetrates through Adam's body despite herself being physically inferior to him.
If no, then Mountain level for them as Niffty easily penetrates through Adam's body as well, despite Adam being actually harmed in face every time, not body.

Adam​

Skill​

Angels suck at fighting due to being invincible to Sinners and so did Adam against Alastor (he literally calls him sloppy and lacking discipline & control). Yeah, he should be Average. Also add the lack of skill to weaknesses.

Power Null​

It should become Limited just like in others' profiles. He did not power null Alastor, he simply lost his powers for a sec due to cane being broken.

Non-Physical Interaction​

Specifically harming Alastor's shadows part should be removed. They were designed to be capable harming Adam, thus not being untouchable.

Lifting Strength & Speed​

Speficially "Superior to Alastor" should be removed for reasons in Alastor's section.

Deadly Sins​

Should upscale in AP and Durability from Alastor and Vox.

Yeah, that's it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

As I've already gone pretty knee-deep into, It being a contest of power bases or popularity or anything non-physical makes little sense considering we see that Alastor just... wins that. Instantly. Literally the second Alastor gets involved everyone just goes for his crap instead of Vox's.

There's no contest there for Vox to even win ever, because he is apsolutely terrible at keeping up on his own with Alastor in that regard(Hence him being powerless without his back-up)

Now, is it okay for him and the other Vees to scale to Alastor directly? Who knows. We don't see that fight, so here's how I'd do it

Vox​

Downscales from Alastor and thus his own durability, it is clear-cut he either had some kind of help or trickery we don't know about to win, considering he does fear the Radio Demon, but also considering how Alastor handles Overlords he doesn't like, there's proof that Vox can survive against him in some way.

The Other Vees​

Possibly scale, if anyone helped Vox in combat against the Radio Demon, it'd be them, but they'd be downscaling even further because Vox already scared Valentino just by getting pissed at him

Scaling would basically go like this: Velvette and Valentino<Vox's AP/SS<Vox's Durability=Alastor<<<Adam

The rest​

Alastor's LS with his tentacles is already considered higher than his physical LS, restraining Adam would go there.

And for the ******* 50th time, Alastor's cane being broken didn't negate his powers in any way he literally teleported away like 5 seconds after using his powers. Alastor's powers being tied to his cane is an entirely unsupported fan theory with 0 evidence made by Alastor apologists after Adam one-shot his ass. I do not want to have to say this again.

As for speed, you have to remember that Adam was ridiculously casual the entire fight, and Alastor didn't last a few seconds after he got serious. But yeah no real proof he's faster than Alastor.

As for Skill... Adam is above average for his own feats, in case it wasn't obvious he's built different compared to other Exorcists.

Anything I didn't mention specifically I agree with(Though I'd go for 7-A AP for Angelic weapons.)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I’ll respond later but I’ll note that I updated OP a bit before you replied, so may check that as well.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I’ll respond later but I’ll note that I updated OP a bit before you replied, so may check that as well.

I have no changes to make. Destroying an Extension of oneself is just an injury in any other word. Or flowery language if you really want semantics

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

As I've already gone pretty knee-deep into, It being a contest of power bases or popularity or anything non-physical makes little sense considering we see that Alastor just... wins that. Instantly. Literally the second Alastor gets involved everyone just goes for his crap instead of Vox's.

There's no contest there for Vox to even win ever, because he is apsolutely terrible at keeping up on his own with Alastor in that regard(Hence him being powerless without his back-up)

It could be that Vox was losing due to sucking at TV but other Vs helping out due to controlling media and 18+ thingy. Their whole fight is literally about the popularity.

Vox​

Downscales from Alastor and thus his own durability, it is clear-cut he either had some kind of help or trickery we don't know about to win, considering he does fear the Radio Demon, but also considering how Alastor handles Overlords he doesn't like, there's proof that Vox can survive against him in some way.

It may be due to speed, abilities, etc. Also, he was literally losing before other Vs came. It could be that Al was ******** on him before others two came and caught him off guard or maybe they altogether could defeat him but not individually.

Although in case we conclude it is second we can grant “at most” to all three, as they definitely can’t do it themselves. But you need to prove it was about fight AND that it was second first.

The Other Vees​

Possibly scale, if anyone helped Vox in combat against the Radio Demon, it'd be them, but they'd be downscaling even further because Vox already scared Valentino just by getting pissed at him

Where was he scared? I though Vox just convinced him.

Scaling would basically go like this: Velvette and Valentino<Vox's AP/SS<Vox's Durability=Alastor<<<Adam

Meh, it’s more like Valentino<Vox<Alastor<Adam
Adam one-shotted him with AW, I should note, which have higher potency/ignore durability than user. He should still be superior due to keeping up with Lucifer and one-shotting Al’s tentacles, yeah.

The rest​

Alastor's LS with his tentacles is already considered higher than his physical LS, restraining Adam would go there.

Sure thing.

And for the ******* 50th time, Alastor's cane being broken didn't negate his powers in any way he literally teleported away like 5 seconds after using his powers. Alastor's powers being tied to his cane is an entirely unsupported fan theory with 0 evidence made by Alastor apologists after Adam one-shot his ass. I do not want to have to say this again.

Okay, tf you mean, his radio voice went down, his tentacles and electricity went down after cane was broken. It couldn’t be Adam’s attack since his cane broke down first. He legit says “****” after cane being broken, which implies that the loss of it is the reason. Again, it’s literally an extension of himselt. Him being able to teleport later is just a recovery from it. Literally all that is in OP.
And, uh, in the leaks we got to know that he demands “someone” to fix it. Not something non-weakened guy would do, huh?

As for speed, you have to remember that Adam was ridiculously casual the entire fight, and Alastor didn't last a few seconds after he got serious.

Never stated that he was casual. He was serious the entire fight. He was shocked when Al dodged his first attack and was already pissed by “tougher than you” part.

But yeah no real proof he's faster than Alastor.

Yuh.

As for Skill... Adam is above average for his own feats, in case it wasn't obvious he's built different compared to other Exorcists.

His only real feat is taking off tentacles mid fight, which is not impressive at all. He was overwhelmed by several minions…

Anything I didn't mention specifically I agree with(Though I'd go for 7-A AP for Angelic weapons.)

Alright, sure.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I have no changes to make. Destroying an Extension of oneself is just an injury in any other word. Or flowery language if you really want semantics

I added stuff to Intelligence and Weaknesses for Charlie and Al too. Also “extension of oneself” should apply to powers as well.

 

[GoCommitDi]

Just a little addition: he always smiles. Forced smile is a compulsion for various reasons. It is unnatural and requies efforts to do it.

that's just one of the ways Vivziepop draws all of her characters

 

[DaReaperMan]

It could be that Vox was losing due to sucking at TV but other Vs helping out due to controlling media and 18+ thingy. Their whole fight is literally about the popularity.

And the only other person with anything for that is Val and nobody really seems to like the guy except maybe Vox, so he couldn't be the one to help. Hell, even the other Overlords seem to be far more well-situated than the Vees,

It may be due to speed, abilities, etc. Also, he was literally losing before other Vs came. It could be that Al was ******** on him before others two came and caught him off guard or maybe they altogether could defeat him but not individually.

Like I said, we don't know the context of their fight, because the Vees helping in combat is one possibility

Although in case we conclude it is second we can grant “at most” to all three, as they definitely can’t do it themselves. But you need to prove it was about fight AND that it was second first.

I'd be fine with At most for the other vees, though Vox would still have it just solid, you don't simply downscale from something and get an At Most, the other Vees have two points of downscaling, not exactly the most solid of things.

Where was he scared? I though Vox just convinced him.

Getting Valentino to shut up while ranting and the immediate change of expression is probably a clear-cut cast.

Meh, it’s more like Valentino<Vox<Alastor<Adam
Adam one-shotted him with AW, I should note, which have higher potency/ignore durability than user. He should still be superior due to keeping up with Lucifer and one-shotting Al’s tentacles, yeah.

Fine

Okay, tf you mean, his radio voice went down, his tentacles and electricity went down after cane was broken. It couldn’t be Adam’s attack since his cane broke down first.

Supported by what? He could've been surprised and just deactivated the shit on his end, we don't know jack shit on the matter and making stuff up to support a character you like is never going to get passed.

He legit says “****” after cane being broken, which implies that the loss of it is the reason. Again, it’s literally an extension of himselt. Him being able to teleport later is just a recovery from it. Literally all that is in OP.

Okay and Alastor says **** to Lucifer because he's annoyed, and casually says **** when talking about I think Helen in episode 7, and says shit because Vox annoyed him in the comic. Him cursing isn't indicative of anything, he's just not cursing like a sailor.

And, uh, in the leaks we got to know that he demands “someone” to fix it. Not something non-weakened guy would do, huh?

Leaks for S2 discussed, do not click if you don't want to see it. 1. Let's not use unreleased content. 2. It could easily be due to sentimental value.

Never stated that he was casual. He was serious the entire fight. He was shocked when Al dodged his first attack and was already pissed by “tougher than you” part.

He actively loves Exterminations, being annoyed is not proof of being serious, especially since Adam mixes melee and ranged attacks when he is serious(See his fight against Lucifer)

His only real feat is taking off tentacles mid fight, which is not impressive at all. He was overwhelmed by several minions…

It takes a lot of skill to keep up with like 3 people at once, he's Above Average cause he can react to and counter swarms of attacks not ******* gifted for fighting several people at once

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

And the only other person with anything for that is Val and nobody really seems to like the guy except maybe Vox, so he couldn't be the one to help. Hell, even the other Overlords seem to be far more well-situated than the Vees,

You don’t need to like the guy to like his content. And Velvett is the backbone of the Vs and seems more modern when comes to social media, posting about Vs, as we see in the background.
Also keep in mind that TV is literally more popular and better than radio by a shitton of times, so that would balance out Vox’s lack of self-control.

Like I said, we don't know the context of their fight, because the Vees helping in combat is one possibility. I'd be fine with At most for the other vees, though Vox would still have it just solid, you don't simply downscale from something and get an At Most, the other Vees have two points of downscaling, not exactly the most solid of things.

Vees helping out is implied by Alastor. If we take beat you super-vague statement as fight, then this should be fight as well, if we want to be consistent.

Getting Valentino to shut up while ranting and the immediate change of expression is probably a clear-cut cast.

He was loud at the time. When someone screams in your face, you’d probably shut up as well.

Supported by what? He could've been surprised and just deactivated the shit on his end, we don't know jack shit on the matter and making stuff up to support a character you like is never going to get passed.

Genuinely what? How being surprised deactivates shit? I don’t make the stuff up. I see cane broken, all of the powers deactivated, the owner of it cursing at it, and make a conclusion. And you just deny the facts.
And should I note that this is the only ******* time his radio filter deactivates.

Okay and Alastor says **** to Lucifer because he's annoyed

He says “**** you” due to being incapable of retorting to the guy he hates.

and casually says **** when talking about I think Helen in episode 7,

Susan. Why the **** people think it’s Helen.

and says shit because Vox annoyed him in the comic

OK?

Him cursing isn't indicative of anything, he's just not cursing like a sailor.

The point was not that he curses, but the fact that he does so only after looking at his cane. Moreover, as said in OP, he runs away from Adam despite being completely unbothered by scar (reason for his Superhuman stamina), although he could have just, yk, continued to fight.

Leaks for S2 discussed, do not click if you don't want to see it.

Yes. Important.

1. Let's not use unreleased content. 2. It could easily be due to sentimental value.

He can create shit out of nothing, genuinely. Why would he need a help of an external force (not saying the name) in this case? Also read the lyrics. He literally brings up how loyal he is as an argument to fix his staff. Something with shitton ego like Alastor doing that just out of semantics? Ha!

He actively loves Exterminations, being annoyed is not proof of being serious

Loving something does not mean you hold back. I love chess, videogames, etc., do I hold back while playing it to enjoy? Also, he was literally pissed, not just annoyed.
Face of a totally casual man:

Words of a totally casual man.
If anything, Alastor was the confident and casual one here (not arguing that, but this sounds more plausible given their behavior lmfao).
And may I remind you that you never actually proved he is casual, you just assumed it.

especially since Adam mixes melee and ranged attacks when he is serious(See his fight against Lucifer)

This is not a sign of being non-serious at all. He was throwing holy beams against the average sinners right after Alastor’s fight as well. Does he take them more seriously than Alastor? Lul.
A method of fighting in such contexts never implies the seriousness of a fighter.

It takes a lot of skill to keep up with like 3 people at once. he's Above Average cause he can react to and counter swarms of attacks not ******* gifted for fighting several people at once

Uh, who? He kept up with Alastor (was called as shit fighter and was evidently overwhelmed), won, and kept up with Charlie (a ******* pacifist with no combat advantage/experience), won, separately. And also sucked to Lucifer who was dicking around. Nothing really says why his fighting skill should be better than other Angels. Truly an Above Average skill moment. Like, ik it’s not gifted, but for Above Average you should something on that level, just because it’s easier to get doesn’t mean you get it for free.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You don’t need to like the guy to like his content.
Also keep in mind that TV is literally more popular than Radio by a shitton of times, so that would balance out Vox’s lack of self-control.

Did we watch the same "Stayed Gone" song? The instant Alastor goes back on the air everyone shown just goes to his radio instead of Vox's TV. Vox literally has to use Mind Control to keep the masses in line, this is not a man who is good at keeping attention on himself or controlling crowds. In fact he is ******* horrible at it.

Vees helping out is implied by Alastor. If we take beat you super-vague statement as fight, then this should be fight as well, if we want to be consistent.

Let me remind you that the only way Alastor scales is if it means fight, you can be stronger than someone in AP but not be able to harm them. It is a likely on a likely that they helped

He was loud at the time. When someone screams in your face, you’d probably shut up as well.

Even when they calm down and for several seconds after? Valentino didn't immediate respond and just froze up, if that's not making someone fear you I don't know what is.

Genuinely what? How being surprised deactivates shit? I don’t make the stuff up. I see cane broken, all of the powers deactivated, the owner of it cursing at it, and make a conclusion. And you just deny the facts.
And should I note that this is the only ******* time his radio filter deactivates.

Which is all still a massive assumption with 0 statements backing it up other than "It's an extension of him!",(which by the way can mean any myriad of things including just being flowery language as I said) if you dont want the floodgates opened on assumptions such as his surprise disrupting the use of his powers, stop making them yourself.

He says “** you” due to being incapable of retorting to the guy he hates. Susan. Why the ** people think it’s Helen. OK? The point was not that he curses, but the fact that he does so only after looking at his cane. Moreover, as said in OP, he runs away from Adam despite being completely unbothered by scar (reason for his Superhuman stamina), although he could have just, yk, continued to fight.

He ran away after being severely injured. Alastor isn't a ******* moron and he was in no state to fight.

He can create shit out of nothing, genuinely. Why would he need a help of an external force (not saying the name) in this case? Also read the lyrics. He literally brings up how loyal he is as an argument to fix his staff. Something with shitton ego like Alastor doing that just out of semantics? Ha!

And what if it doesn't pan out exactly as your saying? I'm not even going to argue with you because your point kills itself on the spike that this isn't in any episode, and is a leak for an unreleased, still subject to change, season.

Loving something does not mean you hold back. I love chess, videogames, etc., do I hold back while playing it to enjoy? Also, he was literally pissed, not just annoyed.
Face of a totally casual man:

Words of a totally casual man.
And may I remind you that you never actually proved he is casual, you just assumed it.

Just like how you assumed he was serious, no matter the fact there is indeed evidence to the contrary with how we know EXACTLY how he fights when he's serious because we see him fighting seriously like 5 minutes after this fight.

And I at least do tend to not really be 100% serious in games, I'm not sweating my dick of 24/7, I'm relaxed and just doing things.

Let's also point out how Adam with his fist one-shot Alastor's fully serious barrier. He's a one-shot above Alastor's physicals, as shown by how the only thing Alastor does harming him being shadows... ya know, the exact thing he'd have higher AP with?

This is not a sign of being non-serious at all. He was throwing holy beams against the average sinners right after Alastor’s fight as well. Does he take them more seriously than Alastor? Lul.

Notice how I said... mixed? Hmm, maybe that implies I already accounted for that, because he was exclusively spamming ranged attacks and didn't throw a single melee hit into the matter!

Uh, who? He kept up with Alastor (was called as shit fighter and was evidently overwhelmed), won, and kept up with Charlie (a ******* pacifist with no combat advantage/experience), won, separately. And also sucked to Lucifer who was dicking around. Nothing really says why his fighting skill should be better than other Angels. Truly an Above Average skill moment. Like, ik it’s not gifted, but for Above Average you should something on that level, just because it’s easier to get doesn’t mean you get it for free.

Hey, OrangeGuy, did you know that the definition of Above Average is "Characters that show greater cognitive ability than the norm, but do not particularly stand out in any intellectual or academic fields."

Is it the norm for ME or YOU to be able to slice through a swarm of Alastor's tentacles assuming equal stats?

Average means the normal guy you see walking down the street level of skill. The office worker with no proper experience in combat.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Did we watch the same "Stayed Gone" song? The instant Alastor goes back on the air everyone shown just goes to his radio instead of Vox's TV.

Yeah, because maybe if the monopoly owner ***** on the guy desperately, it would probably be interesting what he would say in response!

Vox literally has to use Mind Control to keep the masses in line, this is not a man who is good at keeping attention on himself or controlling crowds. In fact he is ******* horrible at it.

Exactly. My point is that — he is not good despite a massive, HUGE advantage.
If you know basic history of the 50s, you will know how fastly TV overtook the radio in no time once it became accessible to masses. The fact that Vox struggles even with it, despite having a total monopoly on TV, shows how bad he is, and explains why he “almost” beat him in popularity.

Let me remind you that the only way Alastor scales is if it means fight, you can be stronger than someone in AP but not be able to harm them.

Did you read whatever I said in the OP? He took down on the Overlords in a single day who were around much more than Vox. He should be able to harm Vox with his tentacles due to such a massive gap. He is the strongest Sinner.

It is a likely on a likely that they helped

If you take the fight, then it is just “likely”.

Even when they calm down and for several seconds after? Valentino didn't immediate respond and just froze up, if that's not making someone fear you I don't know what is.

Eh, fine I guess, you have a point.

Which is all still a massive assumption with 0 statements backing it up other than "It's an extension of him!",(which by the way can mean any myriad of things including just being flowery language as I said) if you dont want the floodgates opened on assumptions such as his surprise disrupting the use of his powers, stop making them yourself.

Ignored the part with the show proof, nice. And surprising does not negate his effects. Surprising does not deactivate your powers, never. You are the assumptious one here, pal, not me. And it’s more of a denial than assumption.

He ran away after being severely injured. Alastor isn't a ******* moron and he was in no state to fight.

That’s why he gives no shit about the wound in the Finale song, right.

And what if it doesn't pan out exactly as your saying? I'm not even going to argue with you because your point kills itself on the spike that this isn't in any episode, and is a leak for an unreleased, still subject to change, season.

So you just concede on this point and argue “it’s a leak”. Fine, probably, I will still have a point in some months. And this shit is undeniable even without that, you’re just being stubborn.

Just like how you assumed he was serious

“Assumed” where? He’s literally pissed. And you are the one assuming here.

no matter the fact there is indeed evidence to the contrary with how we know EXACTLY how he fights when he's serious because we see him fighting seriously like 5 minutes after this fight.

You want “exactly”? Well then he was not using his axe against Lucifer. But against Charlie he was using only melee without the axe. But against Alastor he was using axe and melee. Against average Sinners he was just using his holy beams.
Huh… it seems like people are not consistent in all aspects when fighting different people and may have different spontaneous preferences, comrade! I can go in different styles in boxing, yk.

And I at least do tend to not really be 100% serious in games, I'm not sweating my dick of 24/7, I'm relaxed and just doing things.

And you totally make an angry face and curse at opponent a shitton when you are casual, fr.

Let's also point out how Adam with his fist one-shot Alastor's fully serious barrier. He's a one-shot above Alastor's physicals, as shown by how the only thing Alastor does harming him being shadows... ya know, the exact thing he'd have higher AP with?

Both Alastor and Adam heavily upscale from Al’s tentacles. Barrier is just a huge tentacle.
But yeah, shadow has higher AP than Alastor himself, sure.

Notice how I said... mixed? Hmm, maybe that implies I already accounted for that, because he was exclusively spamming ranged attacks and didn't throw a single melee hit into the matter!

Addressed that higher.

Hey, OrangeGuy, did you know that the definition of Above Average is "Characters that show greater cognitive ability than the norm, but do not particularly stand out in any intellectual or academic fields."

Moving your axe while flying does not really need more than average cognitive. Neither does using TK to help yourself. Not getting overwhelmed by shit you can one tap with your axe. Getting mocked by a guy specifically due to lack of skill does not help.

Is it the norm for ME or YOU to be able to slice through a swarm of Alastor's tentacles assuming equal stats?

“Assuming equal stats”? Also, slicing things is not that hard. Take a knife and do a basic move with your hand. Lul.

Average means the normal guy you see walking down the street level of skill. The office worker with no proper experience in combat.

Again, not that hard of an action even for them. I suck at fighting, I can move my hands with knife in the air easily as well. (Axe too btw if I had a ******* Class M LS)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah, because maybe if the monopoly owner ***** on the guy desperately, it would probably be interesting what he would say in response!

Alastor still had his radio crap set up, they could hear him one way or the other. He wouldn't be much of a radio host if you couldn't hear it 10 feet away lol

Exactly. My point is that — he is not good despite a massive, HUGE advantage.
If you know basic history of the 50s, you will know how fastly TV overtook the radio in no time once it became accessible to masses. The fact that Vox struggles even with it, despite having a total monopoly on TV, shows how bad he is, and explains why he “almost” beat him in popularity.

ya know, IRL history and fiction are allowed to not intersect exactly, especially if in Hell Radio still seems quite popular with the masses.

Did you read whatever I said in the OP? He took down on the Overlords in a single day who were around much more than Vox. He should be able to harm Vox with his tentacles due to such a massive gap. He is the strongest Sinner.

How do you know they were more durable or even stronger than Vox? You are allowed to be stronger than someone and still have them be much higher than you in durability. Another ️assumption ️

If you take the fight, then it is just “likely”.

The other likely is that they fought at all-- I never said it was impossible that It wasn't a popularity contest, just unlikely, I take shit into account.

Ignored the part with the show proof, nice. And surprising does not negate his effects. Surprising does not deactivate your powers, never. You are the assumptious one here, pal, not me. And it’s more of a denial than assumption.

Giving someone pause for a moment=/=Completely shocking them. And even then, I directly said that said argument is an assumption anyway. We don't know, so why are we trying to use it? Your "Proof" is one long unsupported assumption you take as truth because you have a headcanon. There's a reason I don't like to too often get involved with FNaF, because you have to make theories and assumptions for things to make sense... that isn't the case here, so no, I'm not letting a blatant fan theory and assumption slide. Ever. We can argue about this until the end of time and neither of our stances would change.

That’s why he gives no shit about the wound in the Finale song, right.

So you just concede on this point and argue “it’s a leak”. Fine, probably, I will still have a point in some months. And this shit is undeniable even without that, you’re just being stubborn.

Hey OrangeGuy, did you know that not many people particularly like to read walls of arguments? I'm cutting the fat, not conceding. but sure, go ahead! Make staff want to engage in this thread even less! Be my guest!

Am I not allowed to believe in my own arguments now? If that's your Category for stubborn, then dear god, you've been stubborn for like 2-3 months at minimum on the Alastor-Vox scaling.

“Assumed” where? He’s literally pissed. And you are the one assuming here.

1. And goes back to dicking around not .5 seconds after Alastor leaves. If he was actually pissed, as we've seen, he doesn't calm down that fast. 2. Tea pot calling the kettle black. Big time.

You want “exactly”? Well then he was not using his axe against Lucifer. But against Charlie he was using only melee without the axe. But against Alastor he was using axe and melee. Against average Sinners he was just using his holy beams.
Huh… it seems like people are not consistent in all aspects when fighting different people and may have different spontaneous preferences, comrade! I can go in different styles in boxing, yk.

The Charlie fight was mostly off-screen, how do you know he never used the axe? We've only seen him truly pissed and serious once, if you disagree with that, oh well! We aren't convincing eachother! We can go on until the end of time.

At some point, you should call it quits on trying to convince someone you consider stubborn(And I admit, I am a stubborn bastard), especially if that someone has no proper voting rights and thus what he says doesn't matter.

And you totally make an angry face and curse at opponent a shitton when you are casual, fr.

I play Super Meat Boy, I can definitely be pissed and still kind of dicking around. Also, I curse like a sailor, and Adam has a curse word flying out every 2 seconds even when he's calm lmfao

Both Alastor and Adam heavily upscale from Al’s tentacles. Barrier is just a huge tentacle.
But yeah, shadow has higher AP than Alastor himself, sure.

...no? It is a barrier with tentacles sprouting from it? That's not exactly proof of anything unless you want to say Alastor or his cane are giant tentacles or something.

Moving your axe while flying does not really need more than average cognitive. Neither does using TK to help yourself. Not getting overwhelmed by shit you can one tap with your axe. Getting mocked by a guy specifically due to lack of skill does not help.

“Assuming equal stats”? Also, slicing things is not that hard. Take a knife and do a basic move with your hand. Lul.

Again, not that hard of an action even for them. I suck at fighting, I can move my hands with knife in the air easily as well. (Axe too btw if I had a ******* Class M LS)

Go boot up a VR game and start doing shit like that then... as the good individual who stated what we know now as Murphy's law, also stated "nothing is as easy as it looks."

So ask yourself again, can you do that? Properly attacking(Because I know how to) I'm not pulling that shit. Even in VR I just don't have the proper amount of skill for that physically.

I will argue this until you show me someone picking up a VR game for the first time and doing something similar.

EVEN THEN, Combat skill ratings aren't long for this world!

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Alastor still had his radio crap set up, they could hear him one way or the other. He wouldn't be much of a radio host if you couldn't hear it 10 feet away lol

Yeah, we see his shadow putting the radio there. Idk how this contributes to your point.

ya know, IRL history and fiction are allowed to not intersect exactly, especially if in Hell Radio still seems quite popular with the masses.

TV still got all of the advantages it has in real life? Like visualizing and being capable of doing insane montage, which Vox wonderfully uses? And, uh, Al quite literally recognizes the Stock Market crash of 1929, and Vox is from 50s… yeah.

How do you know they were more durable or even stronger than Vox? You are allowed to be stronger than someone and still have them be much higher than you in durability. Another ️assumption ️

Read. The *******. OP.

The other likely is that they fought at all-- I never said it was impossible that It wasn't a popularity contest, just unlikely, I take shit into account.

Now prove that it is more likely since nothing implies that. Wanking a character out of single contradicted statement is not good.

Giving someone pause for a moment=/=Completely shocking them.

Having his cane, that according to you contributes nothing to his power, broken should not be that surprising he got a heart attack. Just another excuse to deny the obvious.

And even then, I directly said that said argument is an assumption anyway. We don't know, so why are we trying to use it? Your "Proof" is one long unsupported assumption you take as truth because you have a headcanon. There's a reason I don't like to too often get involved with FNaF, because you have to make theories and assumptions for things to make sense... that isn't the case here, so no, I'm not letting a blatant fan theory and assumption slide. Ever. We can argue about this until the end of time and neither of our stances would change.

Wow, now getting shit broken and getting all powers nullified is an assumption. Then Thanos being unable to use his Stones without clenching a fist is a headcanon since it was never stated, just shown that once his fist is stopped, he can’t use Stones. And here, his cane is broken and he legit curses at it, his cane is just there for decoration — he ******* has a ASR to the point he lets all of his powers, including his favorite radio filter, fade away, over the piece of decoration, and curses at it being broken after he opens his eyes in confusion. Ah yes, makes total sense. Not a denial to indirectly downplay Al.
I guess Adam does not have Regeneration Negation Resistance due to being able to regen from his wound as it was never stated but shown that he lacks a wound some moments later, nuh uh, fan theory and assumption and headcanon and some other terms similar to that worse than MikeBot from FNaF, delete this shit.

Hey OrangeGuy, did you know that not many people particularly like to read walls of arguments? I'm cutting the fat, not conceding. but sure, go ahead! Make staff want to engage in this thread even less! Be my guest!

We did not even reach two pages. And Hazbin CRTs are not popular anyways, so I would need to make an exciting journey across the staff’s walls either way!

Am I not allowed to believe in my own arguments now? If that's your Category for stubborn, then dear god, you've been stubborn for like 2-3 months at minimum on the Alastor-Vox scaling.

Stubborn is typically defined as unwilling to change. So, yeah, we’re stubborn on lots of things.

1. And goes back to dicking around not .5 seconds after Alastor leaves. If he was actually pissed, as we've seen, he doesn't calm down that fast.

He does cuz his enemy literally ran away. I would be satisfied if I humiliated a serious opponent on the board beautifully, or K. O.’ed the distracted good professional boxer, and they both never meet me again, yk. His face is already happy by the moment he taggs him. Non-sequitir.

The Charlie fight was mostly off-screen, how do you know he never used the axe?

If he uses it, he uses it till the end as we see in Alastor’s fight. At worst, he used it and then got rid of it, so still inconsistent.

We've only seen him truly pissed and serious once, if you disagree with that, oh well! We aren't convincing eachother! We can go on until the end of time.

The faces I sent are very casual, thank you very much for ignoring.

At some point, you should call it quits on trying to convince someone you consider stubborn(And I admit, I am a stubborn bastard), especially if that someone has no proper voting rights and thus what he says doesn't matter.

I mean, we can agree to disagree anytime you want, I just like writing a stonewall of text for discussion/debate. Feel free to say “idgaf just count me as disagree” anytime you want.

I play Super Meat Boy, I can definitely be pissed and still kind of dicking around. Also, I curse like a sailor, and Adam has a curse word flying out every 2 seconds even when he's calm lmfao

The difference is that here he was genuinely insulting Alastor and being pissed for being unable to hit him. You wouldn’t do that if you could win the game anytime but were pissed. Unless you are a *********? Idk.

...no? It is a barrier with tentacles sprouting from it? That's not exactly proof of anything unless you want to say Alastor or his cane are giant tentacles or something.

I mean, you don’t have a proof that a barrier is above Alastor in durability. All it did was to stop fodder exorcists.

Go boot up a VR game and start doing shit like that then... as the good individual who stated what we know now as Murphy's law, also stated "nothing is as easy as it looks."

So ask yourself again, can you do that? Properly attacking(Because I know how to) I'm not pulling that shit. Even in VR I just don't have the proper amount of skill for that physically.

I will argue this until you show me someone picking up a VR game for the first time and doing something similar.

If you really think doing this is really hard, I guess we really do have to agree to disagree then.

EVEN THEN, Combat skill ratings aren't long for this world!

Sadly yes.

 

[ShionAH]

I will make a response soon, hard disagree on Als scaling and Adam downgrade. Lucifer was causal yet Adam surprises him several times.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

hard disagree on Als scaling and Adam downgrade

Of course you do. Have been trying hard to downplay Alastor to glorify Adam for about a year now.

Lucifer was causal yet Adam surprises him several times.

He “surprises” him two times:
1) He is distracted by the whole “**** you up” thingy;
2) When Charlie blocks his hit (yeah, even Charlie does that). And it’s not even he couldn’t react, he clearly saw him when he was flying with a face “wtf is bro doing?” And Lucifer still blitzed him the moment he got mad regardless.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Cutting out the fat because I don't care to argue these same points for much longer lmfao

Yeah, we see his shadow putting the radio there. Idk how this contributes to your point.

You're going to have to pull that clip up for me cause that's a range upgrade

I mean, you don’t have a proof that a barrier is above Alastor in durability. All it did was to stop fodder exorcists.

I was pinging it as comparable to him, hence me saying Adam is just a one-shot above him, and his serious shadow attacks are stronger than he is

His tiering would literally look like "7-A, Higher with Shadow attacks"

 

[ShionAH]

Of course you do. Have been trying hard to downplay Alastor to glorify Adam for about a year now.

Because Alastor failed to do any damage, got one shot and ran away. Thats not scaling

He “surprises” him two times

No, when during the fight Adam catches his l3g which actually surprises him. He then turns into snake

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

You're going to have to pull that clip up for me cause that's a range upgrade

Here

Unless you say “headcanon prove that Al did it not some other guy who loves radio and has shadows and also accidentally put Alastor’s yappery”

I was pinging it as comparable to him, hence me saying Adam is just a one-shot above him, and his serious shadow attacks are stronger than he is

Alastor is unbothered by his own tentacles. The burden to prove that barrier is comparable to his own physicals is on you.

His tiering would literally look like "7-A, Higher with Shadow attacks"

He should be “At least 7-A, likely far higher, even higher with shadow attack” due to being massively above Vox as a strongest Sinner and the guy who took down much more powerful Overlords than Vox in the first night.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Because Alastor failed to do any damage, got one shot and ran away. Thats not scaling

Literally harmed him, got one shot by AW and not Adam himself, ran away due to being weakened. Yeah, pretty much.
And you were offended when I called Time Baby a fraud or smth like that.

No, when during the fight Adam catches his l3g which actually surprises him. He then turns into snake

He is not surprised at all, lul. He still dicks around and jokes. Again, blitzes when mad.

 

[ShionAH]

Literally harmed him,

A small chin rub by catching him off guard is NOT enough for scaling

got one shot by AW and not Adam himself

His barrier also got one shot by Adams Chad Fists, which scales to Als durability

And you were offended when I called Time Baby a fraud or smth like that.

Whut, nah I didnt read Vee or Vox parts I will read and either agree or disagree after

He is not surprised at all, lul.

His face goes from to :O

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

A small chin rub by catching him off guard is NOT enough for scaling

Adam was in battle mode. Also, making him growl, go back, stroke his chin and tell Al he is tough shit is NOT unharmed.

His barrier also got one shot by Adams Chad Fists, which scales to Als durability

Nothing says barrier <= Alastor’s durability, a burden of proof is on you.

Whut, nah I didnt read Vee or Vox parts I will read and either agree or disagree after

I meant in terms of Bill-Time Baby and Adam-Alastor, but whatever.

His face goes from to :O

Good, tagged a very casual Lucifer, what a feat. FTL still goes, thank you.
Also, bro is using facial expressions here but not in Alastor-Adam fight? Hypocritical ngl.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Here

Unless you say “headcanon prove that Al did it not some other guy who loves radio and has shadows and also accidentally put Alastor’s yappery”

Alastor is unbothered by his own tentacles. The burned to prove that barrier is comparable to his own physicals is on you.

He should be “At least 7-A, likely far higher, even higher with shadow attack” due to being massively above Vox as a strongest Sinner and the guy who took down much more powerful Overlords than Vox in the first night.

Watch this and calm down.

As for your sodding argument, again, there's no proof the Overlords were stronger than Vox, just that they had ruled for centuries, which ain't sufficient. Yelling at me to read the OP doesn't change anything, especially since Vox has survived their rivalry despite Alastor blatantly loathing him. How do you even know power translates to durability in this regard?

And even if you were apsolutely, totally, 100% right(You're not) he wouldn't be Far Higher,(Why the hell is any of that potentially well into tier 6?) or even At Least, since he's not one-shotting anything from that tier of scaling.

 

[ShionAH]

Adam was in battle mode.

5 secs later insert Adam sparing and laughing at Al.

tell Al he is tough shit is NOT unharmed.

"You think you are tough shit huh?!"

Nothing says barrier <= Alastor’s durability, a burden of proof is on you.

Thats what was assumed in Als profile, also in most barrier cases.

I meant in terms of Bill-Time Baby and Adam-Alastor, but whatever.

Time Baby doesnt scale to Bill

Good, tagged a very casual Lucifer, what a feat. FTL still goes, thank you.

Adam and Lucifers flight is already FTL so them scaling to FTL because they fought on air is pretty fair to me.

 

[StrymULTRA]

A small chin rub by catching him off guard is NOT enough for scaling

I mean it must be relative in some way to deal the minimal damage.

It can't happen if Alastor is thousands of times weaker than Adam lmao.

Agree with an "At most" for Alastor to whatever tier Adam is rn.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Watch this and calm down.

Wut

As for your sodding argument, again, there's no proof the Overlords were stronger than Vox, just that they had ruled for centuries, which ain't sufficient

Who got more souls: centuries-dominating Overlords or mf that spawned half a century ago?

Yelling at me to read the OP doesn't change anything, especially since Vox has survived their rivalry despite Alastor blatantly loathing him.

Taking on three Overlords ≠ on one. Also may be restricted by the owner of his soul.

How do you even know power translates to durability in this regard?

Power covers all.

And even if you were apsolutely, totally, 100% right(You're not) he wouldn't be Far Higher,(Why the hell is any of that potentially well into tier 6?) or even At Least, since he's not one-shotting anything from that tier of scaling.

Both of the terms are not used to indicate one shot level or anything like that. Just shows his minimal limit given that he is the strongest Sinner, and Vox is just an mf who came down some time ago after Al.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean it must be relative in some way to deal the minimal damage.

It can't happen if Alastor is thousands of times weaker than Adam lmao.

Agree with an "At most" for Alastor to whatever tier Adam is rn.

He didn't even do it physically, he did it with a single power so that's what would scale to Adam

.

Also OrangeGuy is trying to swap ends of the Adam Calc to the pulverization end

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

5 secs later insert Adam sparing and laughing at Al.

Yeah, after tagging his cane by blinding attack and massively weakening him, sure.

"You think you are tough shit huh?!"

Still saying this? Lol.

Thats what was assumed in Als profile, also in most barrier cases.

It is because he is currently Low 7-C and Excorsists were considered superior to him at time. In case for others’ barries, Al’s has a different purpose: to cover the great area, not defend himself.
So no actual proof.

Time Baby doesnt scale to Bill

When I pointed down how stupid he is by going to someone who is infinitely stronger without any plan, you were defending him and stuff. But let’s not derail further ig.

Adam and Lucifers flight is already FTL so them scaling to FTL because they fought on air is pretty fair to me.

Lucifer is FTL in flight speed which does not translate to C/R by default.

 

[StrymULTRA]

He didn't even do it physically, he did it with a single power so that's what would scale to Adam

Also OrangeGuy is trying to swap ends of the Adam Calc to the pulverization end

I don't remember the fight that much, but aren't the tentacles just additional limbs to Alastor?

Besides Adam didn't even one shot in meaning of insta kill, he just incapacitated Al, the latter could still move and even retreat.

Again, this can't happen if Alastor is thousands of times weaker.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I don't remember the fight that much, but aren't the tentacles just additional limbs to Alastor?

It was not a tentacle.
Although, if tentacles couldn’t harm Adam, why would he defend himself against them?

 

[StrymULTRA]

It was not a tentacle.
Although, if tentacles couldn’t harm Adam, why would he defend himself against them?

First was a Mandela effect I suppose.

However I don't think it's portrayed as being above Alastor regardless, just another application of his magic. Besides he definitely should scale to his durability.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wut

Bob Ross painting. Watch it.

Who got more souls: centuries-dominating Overlords or mf that spawned half a century ago?

Souls become more plentiful as the world population increases

Taking on three Overlords ≠ on one. Also may be restricted by the owner of his soul.

Power covers all.

Really doesn't. Especially if your standing argument is Vox doesn't scale to his durability.

Both of the terms are not used to indicate one shot level or anything like that. Just shows his minimal limit given that he is the strongest Sinner, and Vox is just an mf who came down some time ago after Al.

Far Higher is used to denote when a character is likely several tiers Higher than what they're listed at. At least denotes the lower-end of a character.

I don't remember the fight that much, but aren't the tentacles just additional limbs to Alastor?

No he used a Shadow.

Besides Adam didn't even one shot in meaning of insta kill, he just incapacitated Al, the latter could still move and even retreat.

Again, this can't happen if Alastor is thousands of times weaker.

Adam missed killing him by a hair almost certainly because Alastor moved enough to not die on the spot lol

Should also note, 7-A would be a major Outlier if Adam's feat isn't higher in the tier, just saying.

 

[StrymULTRA]

No he used a Shadow.

And?

Adam missed killing him by a hair almost certainly because Alastor moved enough to not die on the spot lol

Idk it didn't seem like he could move at all, Adam just hit him fully.

 

[DaReaperMan]

And?

Hazbin doesn't have a UES, so...

Idk it didn't seem like he could move at all, Adam just hit him fully.

He literally began doding once he realized what was up he was just too late lmfao

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

However I don't think it's portrayed as being above Alastor regardless, just another application of his magic. Besides he definitely should scale to his durability.

Well, technically, you may be correct.
And technically he tanks his own shadow going through him.

Bob Ross painting. Watch it.

I don’t get why you send it so randomly.

Souls become more plentiful as the world population increases

Cool. Centuries > half a century. Also all Overlords collectively own millions of souls, not even a billion that exist.

Really doesn't. Especially if your standing argument is Vox doesn't scale to his durability.

If you can take down more powerful Overlords, you should be able to do so with the fodder one. Unless Vox is the most durable piece of shit!
AKA, you want me to get on your side by using “Alastor’ll be weak”

Far Higher is used to denote when a character is likely several tiers Higher than what they're listed at.

Where does it say it tho

At least denotes the lower-end of a character.

Then it fits

 

[StrymULTRA]

Then it fits

Yeah, it's how UT High 8-Cs works.

They're "At most" given they significantly downscale, and the tier gives the maximum that they're scaled to despite noting to be actually weaker.

"At least" is the opposite, it gives a minimum while noting to be significantly above.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, technically, you may be correct.
And technically he tanks his own shadow going through him.

I don’t get why you send it so randomly.

Cool. Centuries > half a century. Also all Overlords collectively own millions of souls, not even a billion that exist.

If you can take down more powerful Overlords, you should be able to do so with the fodder one. Unless Vox is the most durable piece of shit!
AKA, you want me to get on your side by using “Alastor’ll be weak”

Where does it say it tho

Then it fits

Actually, Alastor will be weak!

Cause uh... let's assume you're right about Alastor's cane containing most of his power for a second, yeah?

So Adam, who's best feat is Low 7-B when he was completely bloodlusted, one-shot Alastor's cane, which contains most of his power. Which, by YOUR arguments, would scale to his durability and is supposed to be 7-A.

Alastor couldn't be 7-A. At all. Nor can Vox. Their apsolute highest scaling would be Low 7-B.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Actually, Alastor will be weak!

Cause uh... let's assume you're right about Alastor's cane containing most of his power for a second, yeah?

So Adam, who's best feat is Low 7-B when he was completely bloodlusted, one-shot Alastor's cane, which contains most of his power. Which, by YOUR arguments, would scale to his durability and is supposed to be 7-A.

Alastor couldn't be 7-A. At all. Nor can Vox. Their apsolute highest scaling would be Low 7-B.

Adam would be 7-A via upscaling from Alastor, not vice versa, what are you talking about, lol.
Stop trying to appeal to emotions. It’s not like I really care about Alastor on this website. Have him at 9-B, I will just laugh and not really give much care.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ok so what's the best feat in HH if not Adam's 7-A (now Low 7-B) thing?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ok so what's the best feat in HH if not Adam's 7-A (now Low 7-B) thing?

In OP.

Hazbin Hotel: Vox causes a power outage

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[DaReaperMan]

Adam would be 7-A via upscaling from Alastor, not vice versa, what are you talking about, lol.

Nah, Alastor would have a major anti-feat, he straight up couldn't combining your other arguments.

Stop trying to appeal to emotions. It’s not like I really care about Alastor on this website. Have him at 9-B, I will just laugh and not really give much care.

Considering your temper was getting the better of you over the guy... yeah.

Ok so what's the best feat in HH if not Adam's 7-A (now Low 7-B) thing?

Vox' 7-A calc, but Adam is higher in scaling and performed the feat while bloodlusted. So... yeah.