God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

[KLOL506]

Kratos didn't actively stop thinking in that fight though? Heimdall could actuvely feel his frustration and the Spear was the main reason Kratos began landing hits.

Until Kratos eventually overwhelmed him and Heimdall couldn't read him after the second phase anymore, calling his head empty until Kratos actually let him read it again. Hell, Heimdall's ability to read Kratos was failing actively at the second stage where Kratos no longer needed the Draupnir to land hits, despite Heimdall still dodging like crazy and spamming Realm Shift.

Hit's is layered as well, and Goku's second encounter has him confidently claim it wouldn't work on him anynore.

I forget how many layers Hit is though, so Heimdall might just have more though.

Heimdall isn't just layered, the hax he has is 4D as well.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Kratos didn't actively stop thinking in that fight though? Heimdall could actuvely feel his frustration and the Spear was the main reason Kratos began landing hits

Yeah that's true. While the spear did help greatly, Kratos pretty much adapted to him to the point where he could use any weapon really. even with the spear stunning him, he was able to dodge Kratos strikes and all of a sudden no more.

Hit's is layered as well, and Goku's second encounter has him confidently claim it wouldn't work on him anynore.

I forget how many layers Hit is though, so Heimdall might just have more though

Yeah hit could rapidly improve. But Heimdall layers are prolly more. Also as KLOL mentions they're all 4D which I keep forgetting.

 

[Tyranno223]

Until Kratos eventually overwhelmed him and Heimdall couldn't read him after the second phase anymore, calling his head empty until Kratos actually let him read it again. Hell, Heimdall's ability to read Kratos was failing actively at the second stage where Kratos no longer needed the Draupnir to land hits, despite Heimdall still dodging like crazy and spamming Realm Shift.

Mildly confused, how does Heimdall's ability to read failing make it layered?

Heimdall isn't just layered, the hax he has is 4D as well.

Even more confused, isn't all time hax 4d at minimum?

 

[KLOL506]

Mildly confused, how does Heimdall's ability to read failing make it layered?

Like BEASTHEART said, Kratos already resists those abilities already. Heimdall goes above it for a while and then fails.

Even more confused, isn't all time hax 4d at minimum?

Was talking about his other hax.

 

[Tyranno223]

Because Kratos resists those abilities already

I thought the original chat was about Goku vs Heimdall?

Wait so is it like

Baseline < Kratos (initial) < Heimdall's hax < Kratos (mid battle).

Because Goku's is layered as well to an extent since UI has multiple levels to it, being improved from Base to SSB, with UI Omen and then Perfected UI while True UI is somewhere in between.

Although I could be wrong. I'm more of an LotR knowledgeable, not a DB one.

 

[KLOL506]

Baseline < Kratos (initial) < Heimdall's hax < Kratos (mid battle).

Yeah.

Because Goku's is layered as well to an extent since UI has multiple levels to it, being improved from Base to SSB, with UI Omen and then Perfected UI while True UI is somewhere in between.

Although I could be wrong. I'm more of an LotR knowledgeable, not a DB one.

IIRC there was a CRT about just because Goku had UI turned on it didn't make him automatically immune to mind-based powers.

 

[Tyranno223]

Yeah.

Okay, I'm not too lost then.

IIRC there was a CRT about just because Goku had UI turned on it didn't make him automatically immune to mind-based powers.

Ah, there's a Dragon Ball crt for everything.

 

[Eseseso]

Ah, there's a Dragon Ball crt for everything.

Agreed.

I'm a huge DB fan, but I tend to only be slightly involved in DB affairs on this wiki for that exact reason.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Yeah, there was also a big AP downgrade

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Which honestly probably makes this discussion futile lol

 

[Tyranno223]

Which honestly probably makes this discussion futile lol

Oh yeah. The whole discussion was assuming Goku and DB was comparable to Kratos and co, which they aren't.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

If the other thread goes through we could be having Heroes x GOW matches, as there's some possible 2-A upgrades

 

[Tyranno223]

If the other thread goes through we could be having Heroes x GOW matches, as there's some possible 2-A upgrades

Does Heroes actually work as a match up? With them it seems to be stomp or stomped. Rarely see a fair match up.

 

[Eseseso]

Does Heroes actually work as a match up? With them it seems to be stomp or stomped. Rarely see a fair match up.

I mean, there was 1 "fair" match up that DBH just happened to win (Hearts vs Super Shadow), and 2 incon matches (Burning Blaze vs Lagss and Dr. Doom vs Hearts).

 

[Planck69]

Idk about Heimdall. UI helps a lot with preventing Goku from being read, and Time Manipulation isn't anything new for him. He can counter Space-Time manipulation to some extent too.

Really Thor is probably worse on the Norse side since he can BFR Goku hard or shatter him with his concept manip.

Didn't Ultra Instinct Goku fight Heimdall at some point and get cooked on this forum?

As for the others, the stronger Olympians hax him to death and he outskills most of the weaker Aesir, Vanir as well as the Titans.

 

[KLOL506]

Didn't Ultra Instinct Goku fight Heimdall at some point and get cooked on this forum?

Yes. He did.

 

[Diamentus]

Honestly, here some of Kratos' opponents I think Goku could beat:

Poseidon (High Diff)
Hercules (Mid Diff)
Sigrun (Mid Diff)
Thor (High Diff)
Castor and Pollux (Low Diff)
Theseus and Perseus (Low Diff)
Persephone (Mid Diff)
Baldur (Mid Diff)

..What?

Poseidon could deconstruct, Hercules could realistically one-shot (and is faster,) Sigrun sure, Thor would one-shot, Ca/Po Th/P sure, Persephone eh, and definitely not Baldur.

 

[Eseseso]

Was thinking of making Dr. Doom vs Odin (you know, because they're both sorcerors who are obsessed with control and are petty as ****).

Y'all think it's a good match or a stomp in favor of one side?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Does Heroes actually work as a match up? With them it seems to be stomp or stomped. Rarely see a fair match up.

Yeah, Heroes has decent hax

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah, Heroes has decent hax

Yep, asides from their broken passive stats reduction, they have special ki types that each have quite a few impressive powers.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Poseidon could deconstruct,

He could, but Goku has ways around that like instant Transmission

Hercules could realistically one-shot (and is faster,)

True, but he's got no ranged attacks, and Goku is a lot more versatile, and this is assuming speed is equal

Thor would one-shot,

Yeah they pretty much all do currently

and definitely not Baldur.

Well Baldur isn't very versatile

 

[Diamentus]

He could, but Goku has ways around that like instant Transmission

I don't know about that. Poseidon is infinite in speed, so instant transmission would be normal to him, and his deconstruction powers are either an AOE or a straight constant beam that can be turned.

True, but he's got no ranged attacks, and Goku is a lot more versatile, and this is assuming speed is equal

His strength and resistances can carry him quite a bit ngl

Well Baldur isn't very versatile

His curse would carry him severely, and his resistances. Plus, a general one-shot. I don't really think Goku could realistically avoid a hit from Baldur, especially since he's the most agile of the Gods excluding Hermes and Heimdall

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I genuinely don't see Goku beating a single Olympian or Upper level Norse God tbh

Primordials or Titans solo

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

I don't know about that. Poseidon is infinite in speed, so instant transmission would be normal to him, and his deconstruction powers are either an AOE or a straight constant beam that can be turned

All of this is under the assumption of speed equal tbf

His strength and resistances can carry him quite a bit ngl

He does have one shot worthy ap and he is a skilled fighter, so yeah I'd say that. But resistances won't be useful as Goku doesn't really have much hax to begin with, honestly

His curse would carry him severely, and his resistances. Plus, a general one-shot. I don't really think Goku could realistically avoid a hit from Baldur, especially since he's the most agile of the Gods excluding Hermes and Heimdall

Also, this was assuming a curseless Baldur but yeah I agree. Although instant transmission would help greatly

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

I genuinely don't see Goku beating a single Olympian or Upper level Norse God tbh

Primordials or Titans solo

He could definitely beat the Titans, if not for the AP gap.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

He could definitely beat the Titans, if not for the AP gap.

Titans have far higher AP and literally infinitely greater speed

Hyperion's Primordial Fire is too hot for Goku pretty sure, should also be able to blind Goku permanently

Pretty sure Cronos has layered time manipulation so Goku's resistance wouldn't let him resist no?

 

[Eseseso]

Was thinking of making Dr. Doom vs God of War Odin (you know, because they're both sorcerors who are obsessed with control and are petty as ****).

Y'all think it's a good match or a stomp in favor of one side?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

ASSUMING SPEED IS EQUAL FOR THE TEN MILLIONTH TIME

Also Cronos pretty much gave Kratos the rest of his Magic, so I'm not sure if he could use his time powers anymore.

And Goku does have greater ranged attacks and maneuvers to avoid Hyperions flames

 

[Georredannea15]

well, it sucks poh kratos and athena loses low 1-c stuff, but it's not like end of everything. We just need to wait new GoW came out.

No need for that, I'll take care of it after the damn yggdrasil thread is over. So we'll upgrade again.

 

[Eseseso]

No need for that, I'll take care of it after the damn yggdrasil thread is over.

Bold of you to assume that thread will ever be resumed.

So we'll upgrade again.

In Georr we trust.

Let's try to get them to 6-D via scaling them as transcending the RBR

 

[Eseseso]

Odin's profile should mention his resistance to the effects of the Leviathan Axe, btw.

 

[Georredannea15]

Bold of you to assume that thread will ever be resumed.

In Georr we trust.

Let's try to get them to 6-D via scaling them as transcending the RBR

Even if the higher existence does not transcend it, since contains a 5-d spatial space, by default the higher existence is 5-D.(And Athena)

But my real goal is to bring back the urd well, make 6-D Yggdrasil and 7-D PoH.

 

[Diamentus]

ASSUMING SPEED IS EQUAL FOR THE TEN MILLIONTH TIME

Also Cronos pretty much gave Kratos the rest of his Magic, so I'm not sure if he could use his time powers anymore.

And Goku does have greater ranged attacks and maneuvers to avoid Hyperions flames

Hyperion's flames is a ranged AOE attack that's infinite in speed iirc

and we're referring to titans in their primes, not the sad excuse of a titan in GOW3

 

[AnimesFreak2]

But my real goal is to bring back the urd well, make 6-D Yggdrasil and 7-D PoH.

LET'S GO

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Hyperion's flames is a ranged AOE attack that's infinite in speed iirc

and we're referring to titans in their primes, not the sad excuse of a titan in GOW3

High 3-A range can be covered has Goku has Low Multiverse range with IT

A prime cronos could prolly just time hax to defeat Goku sure, but I didn't use him cause we didn't really see much of him.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

It's crazy to think that even the redeemed warriors have wincons against goku

 

[KLOL506]

Honestly, here some of Kratos' opponents I think Goku could beat:

Poseidon (High Diff)
Hercules (Mid Diff)
Sigrun (Mid Diff)
Thor (High Diff)
Castor and Pollux (Low Diff)
Theseus and Perseus (Low Diff)
Persephone (Mid Diff)
Baldur (Mid Diff)

I think he stops at Heimdall and loses that one high diff

I think Kratos (Norse) beats all of Gokus opponents so far, at least all that come to mind.

The big problem for Goku's opponents is against Kratos, it would be another Tuesday for him, as they really bring nothing new to the table.

But against Kratos' opponents, Goku's never dealt with half of their abilities and wouldn't have an answer to them

Unfortunately, given that DB finna back to 3 space-times per macrocosm, and 6 for Beerus because he upscales above 2 GoDs (Which will nuke two macrocosms at once), it would effectively gut any chance of Goku being able to so much as put a dent on either of them. Without hax of his own, Goku is asking to get cooked real hard.

 

[Eseseso]

Unfortunately, given that DB finna back to 3 space-times per macrocosm, and 6 for Beerus because he upscales above 2 GoDs (Which will nuke two macrocosms at once), it would effectively gut any chance of Goku being able to so much as put a dent on either of them. Without hax of his own, Goku is asking to get cooked real hard.

Which is why you need to make GoW 2-A so that we can do DBH vs GoW, since DBH actually has some very haxy special ki manipulation.

 

[Georredannea15]

Which is why you need to make GoW 2-A so that we can do DBH vs GoW, since DBH actually has some very haxy special ki manipulation.

Even a boi like Atreus has CM hax. Ki rotted away.

 

[Eseseso]

Even a boi like Atreus has CM hax. Ki rotted away.

Check out this page tho. They got a good number of hax powers.