God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

[KLOL506]

Why you so mad? I just told you I haven't finished the games so I wasn't aware of all those.

Because from what I have seen you have been jumping into things like these without actually having fully researched or played the materials you're talking about.

If you're not aware of them, then make yourself aware of them before making any actual proposals.

Summoning lightning bolts isn't even a reaction speed feat anyways

It's an attack speed feat.

The one on his profile isn't very good, he's not even faster than these bolts and is most likely not even comparable. Here's a better speed feat from the first novel, no idea if the games contradict or whatever so its up to you

He definitely is comparable if not outright swifter, you can roll away from them right as they're about to hit you, this one is just used to demonstrate the lightning being real CtG Lightning (Not that you need it, the in-game abilities section straight up confirm them to channel the power of lightning as per the Lightning of Zeus description).

Spoiler: God of War Novel 1 Chapter 31

SWIFT AS THE THUNDERBOLT WAS, it seemed to Kratos to be creeping
through the thickest sort of treacle. The interval between it leaving his hand
and reaching its target stretched longer than Kratos’s whole life.
He didn’t wait to watch it hit. If it missed, he was dead anyway, and so he
put himself where success would do him the most good. The instant his
hands were free, he dove for the edge of the temple roof, caught an
ornamental carving, and kicked off it again for the statue of Athena,
heading for ground level. He was still in the air when the thunderbolt struck
its target.
Ares, still shouting his defiance at Zeus, never saw it coming. His first
hint was a stinging shock in his right hand—and then he felt no more the
weight of Pandora’s Box.
The thunderbolt had struck home and done its job, severing the chain that
joined the box to the hand of the god.
“What?” Ares stared blankly at his fist as though it had somehow
betrayed him. “What have you done?”
From Ares’s upraised fist to the ground below was fully a hundred feet.
Kratos judged where the box would land and made for it with all his speed.
His guess was good. The box landed on a pile of rubble only steps in front
of him, and he dashed to it before Ares understood what had happened.

Just further support.

 

[Hellbeast]

Domain of Death says hello

I mean that's a separate plane to the Underworld no? Either way, tangential to what we're doing rn

He literally has nothing worthy to his name other than his ring. Having a profile for him is downright pointless.

I agree, he's only worthwhile for his prep/creations and that's covered by weapon profiles for them (such as the Nemesis Whip or Pandora's Box)

Sound barrier is so fodder when you consider that we have the Rhodes to Mount Etna feat.

True, I certainly agree Kratos is well beyond Subsonic (like I can only buy Spartan Kratos being this)

Couldn't if you tried, the game's angles are too borked (Side effect of fixed camera angle). But the distance is very much so point-blank. Kratos can also summon down lightning with Rage Mode active if you do the Square Square Triangle combo.

Dang, so it's more a "would prolly be this range" kinda thing

I mean, again, Zeus could've purposefully nerfed the bolt from his true speed for Kratos's sake. It's not exactly a rare thing either, the Redeemed Warriors can wield the Blade of Olympus as well but it has nowhere near the godly powers required to actually kill Titans and Olympians so that the Warriors can handle it better.

The statement refers more to Kratos himself accelerating to the Speed of Zeus' bolts rather then the Fury. You do remind me of something I've wondered, why do we assume the God Weapons are depowered when the Warrior uses it?

Are the arrow dodging feats calced at supersonic?

Not to my knowledge no, it does seem to be within that bound tho

The one on his profile isn't very good, he's not even faster than these bolts and is most likely not even comparable. Here's a better speed feat from the first novel, no idea if the games contradict or whatever so its up to you

Spoiler: God of War Novel 1 Chapter 31

SWIFT AS THE THUNDERBOLT WAS, it seemed to Kratos to be creeping
through the thickest sort of treacle. The interval between it leaving his hand
and reaching its target stretched longer than Kratos’s whole life.
He didn’t wait to watch it hit. If it missed, he was dead anyway, and so he
put himself where success would do him the most good. The instant his
hands were free, he dove for the edge of the temple roof, caught an
ornamental carving, and kicked off it again for the statue of Athena,
heading for ground level. He was still in the air when the thunderbolt struck
its target.
Ares, still shouting his defiance at Zeus, never saw it coming. His first
hint was a stinging shock in his right hand—and then he felt no more the
weight of Pandora’s Box.
The thunderbolt had struck home and done its job, severing the chain that
joined the box to the hand of the god.
“What?” Ares stared blankly at his fist as though it had somehow
betrayed him. “What have you done?”
From Ares’s upraised fist to the ground below was fully a hundred feet.
Kratos judged where the box would land and made for it with all his speed.
His guess was good. The box landed on a pile of rubble only steps in front
of him, and he dashed to it before Ares understood what had happened.

TBH this is worth calcing imo; could have very good results

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I slowed down the video and Kratos isn't even comparable to the bolts. The feat needs to be replaced with the one I sent or something else if someone has a better suggestion

 

[KLOL506]

I mean that's a separate plane to the Underworld no? Either way, tangential to what we're doing rn

Separate from the living realm too.

I agree, he's only worthwhile for his prep/creations and that's covered by weapon profiles for them (such as the Nemesis Whip or Pandora's Box)

True, I certainly agree Kratos is well beyond Subsonic (like I can only buy Spartan Kratos being this)

Isn't Spartan King featless?

Dang, so it's more a "would prolly be this range" kinda thing

Sadly, yes

The statement refers more to Kratos himself accelerating to the Speed of Zeus' bolts rather then the Fury. You do remind me of something I've wondered, why do we assume the God Weapons are depowered when the Warrior uses it?

Power drain I assume.

TBH this is worth calcing imo; could have very good results

Viewing lightning in slow-mo basically.

Though assuming the lightning was being viewed at walking speed by Kratos and he viewed it while also maintaining a walking pace, he would effectively be the same speed as lightning.

Slow-mo calc formula: (Object true speed/Object's percieved speed) * Person's percieved speed

Walking speed is 1.4 m/s on average. Lightning is 440,000 m/s

Kratos's true speed: (440000/1.4) * 1.4= 440000 m/s

LOL

I slowed down the video and Kratos isn't even comparable to the bolts. The feat needs to be replaced with the one I sent or something else if someone has a better suggestion

And I already stated that the video's purpose isn't for that, the video's purpose is to show that the lightning is real lightning from the clouds. The actual dodging is much more complex and can be done with you using the right joystick at the right time. Nothing needs to be done here. All of the Siren's attacks, even the ones not coming from the clouds, are pure lightning as per the Lightning Of Zeus's statements where you channel the lightning of Olympus itself (Which is potentially even swifter).

 

[XXKINGXX69]

And I already stated that the video's purpose isn't for that, the video's purpose is to show that the lightning is real lightning from the clouds. The actual dodging is much more complex and can be done with you using the right joystick at the right time. Nothing needs to be done here.

If you had a clip of him dodging you could get a better speed value

 

[Hellbeast]

Isn't Spartan King featless?

I refer to Kratos not the King

Power drain I assume.

True but I don't recall any statements that's a thing so I'm curious when we picked that up

Viewing lightning in slow-mo basically.

Though assuming the lightning was being viewed at walking speed by Kratos and he viewed it while also maintaining a walking pace, he would effectively be the same speed as lightning.

Slow-mo calc formula: (Object true speed/Object's percieved speed) * Person's percieved speed

Walking speed is 1.4 m/s on average. Lightning is 440,000 m/s

Kratos's true speed: (440000/1.4) * 1.4= 440000 m/s

That might work better, perhaps the dodging in Ascension could be reworked as a supporting feat? I know we have Sub-Rel stuff too

 

[KLOL506]

If you had a clip of him dodging you could get a better speed value

There's no possible way to do so, because

1. The enemies are never standing still and consistently attacking you, giving you no time to stand still to use Kratos for pixel-scaling.

2. Fixed camera angles which makes taking screenshots next-to-impossible within cramped spaces because they're either too close or too far out.

3. Most of the Sirens come in dark places or have other worse enemies to deal with (Gorgons in the Trials of Archimedes).

4. On harder difficulties Sirens can effectively kill you with a couple of full-powered blasts.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

There's no possible way to do so, because

1. The enemies are never standing still and consistently attacking you, giving you no time to stand still to use Kratos for pixel-scaling.

2. Fixed camera angles which makes taking screenshots next-to-impossible within cramped spaces because they're either too close or too far out.

3. Most of the Sirens come in dark places or have other worse enemies to deal with (Gorgons in the Trials of Archimedes).

4. On harder difficulties Sirens can effectively kill you with a couple of full-powered blasts.

Which is exactly why the feat I sent should be added instead of a clip literally showing Kratos not being comparable to the speed of the bolts

 

[KLOL506]

I refer to Kratos not the King

I don't recall Kratos taking the title of King despite becoming the new ruler of Sparta.

True but I don't recall any statements that's a thing so I'm curious when we picked that up

Mainly with the fact that only a true God can wield these weapons to their greatest extent.

That might work better, perhaps the dodging in Ascension could be reworked as a supporting feat? I know we have Sub-Rel stuff too

Sub-rel stuff is getting nuked with the upcoming revisions. Light of Dawn is gonna have its speed changed.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

GOW1 Novel. Chapter 9 is the first spine-ripping feat, Chapter 10 is where Zeus does his magic.

Yeah it reminds of subs-zero's classic fatality. I think the predator and xenomorph did something like that too

Incalculable, there are no good shots to use for this. Played the game, nothing good to use. And even then it would not require anywhere near Class K LS to pull off.

What would it be then? Maybe class 50?

You know, I would rather have Surtr's sword than Mjolnir but I think that's more unlikely since it's another flame weapon.

Me too honestly. But we already have the blades, soooo. Maybe they can merge surtrs sword with the blades?

Other than Hephaestus who will soon be deleted anyway? No.

Why did he even have a page to begin with lol
Just 6-C for nothing. He's probably around tier 2 with prep tho

 

[KLOL506]

Which is exactly why the feat I sent should be added instead of a clip literally showing Kratos not being comparable to the speed of the bolts

Again, it is unnecessary, the feat is there to show the legitimacy of the bolts being a thing, most other playthroughs have people block the lightning instead of rolling away from it (Granted I had no idea they could be blocked up until now).

 

[Hellbeast]

I don't recall Kratos taking the title of King despite becoming the new ruler of Sparta.

Nor do I, I make no mention of the King of Sparta (Spartan Kratos = Before the Blades)

Mainly with the fact that only a true God can wield these weapons to their greatest extent.

Again tho where is that statement from? I know there's something about Pandora's Box being the strongest weapon a mortal can wield

Sub-rel stuff is getting nuked with the upcoming revisions. Light of Dawn is gonna have its speed changed.

Hmm to what?

Why did he even have a page to begin with lol
Just 6-C for nothing. He's probably around tier 2 with prep tho

Prolly comprehensiveness, that's about it lol

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

In every iteration of GoW, sirens and wraith attacks can be blocked and parried. Only exception are grapple attacks. Has Veitnam flashbacks of Keres Wraith from Ghost of Sparta.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/kratos-minor-speed-revision.142808/ Ok, I made a CRT and asked if anyone had a clip of blocking the lightning so it can be calced

 

[KLOL506]

Again tho where is that statement from? I know there's something about Pandora's Box being the strongest weapon a mortal can wield

Something in the novels and guidebooks I'd reckon but I'd have to check.

Hmm to what?

'Tis a secret.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I also found a better durability feat for Kratos in the novel

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

I slowed down the video and Kratos isn't even comparable to the bolts. The feat needs to be replaced with the one I sent or something else if someone has a better suggestion

Keep in mind the guy playing sucks ass.

 

[Hellbeast]

In every iteration of GoW, sirens and wraith attacks can be blocked and parried. Only exception are grapple attacks. Has Veitnam flashbacks of Keres Wraith from Ghost of Sparta.

Those ******* Wraiths man

https://vsbattles.com/threads/kratos-minor-speed-revision.142808/ Ok, I made a CRT and asked if anyone had a clip of blocking the lightning so it can be calced

I dont know if it needs it's own thread but getting a video of the block could be good

Something in the novels and guidebooks I'd reckon but I'd have to check.

Makes sense, DM me when that's all done

'Tis a secret.

Lemme guess, Infinite because it's from the same source as Helios light

 

[Hellbeast]

I also found a better durability feat for Kratos in the novel

Oo what's the feat

Keep in mind the guy playing sucks ass.

True, perhaps a better example should be used then

 

[KLOL506]

In every iteration of GoW, sirens and wraith attacks can be blocked and parried. Only exception are grapple attacks. Has Veitnam flashbacks of Keres Wraith from Ghost of Sparta.

OHGODNO, NOT KERES WRAITHS.

Those ******* Wraiths man

Yep. Even worse on Very Hard diff.

I dont know if it needs it's own thread but getting a video of the block could be good

Oh shit, I forgot about the parry. They just keep holding the block for the beacon parts, but the other bolt parts are definitely parry-able and you can use that to take on a Siren to... well, unleash a Siren Scream. Totally forgot about that.

Makes sense, DM me when that's all done

Sure.

Lemme guess, Infinite because it's from the same source as Helios light

That and the beams act in the same exact manner as Helios's own light.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Oo what's the feat

Spoiler: Chapter 25 of God of War novel 1

Zeus stood to the east, and so more of his statue was exposed to the dawn
light. Kratos sprang to the figure of the King of Olympus and leaped high to
see if he could touch the statue where the dawn struck it. At the top of his
leap, he felt a surface warm and solid but more slippery than oiled glass. He
drew one of the blades and leaped again to strike the statue. The only effect
his blade could produce was to make the immense statue ring like a great
crystal bell. Not so much as a scratch marred the nearly invisible surface.
But instead of fading like a sounding bell, this ring deepened and
broadened, becoming louder and louder until Kratos had to clap hands over
his ears against the growing pain. Poseidon’s statue was the next closest to
the eastern edge of the roof. Kratos ran to it, steeling himself for the blast of
sound he knew would come when he took his hands from his ears, then
leaped into the dawn light and struck Poseidon, too, with a powerful blow
from a Blade of Chaos.
The belling that rose was deeper, more resonant, and grew in power more
swiftly than had the sound from Zeus. Farthest from the rise of dawn—
appropriately enough, thought Kratos—stood Hades, King of the
Underworld. And this note sparked by Kratos’s blow was darker and deeper
still. The volume of their conjoined chord rose until it seemed to Kratos that
there was nothing in the world except sound.
Hands over his ears did him no further good. He staggered to the central
point between the three statues and fell to his knees. As the rising sun
finally struck the spot where he huddled, what had been featureless stone
became a magically clear window. Directly below him, he saw the chamber
of the Architect, with its throne, on which the armored figure sat as though
oblivious to the universe-destroying sonic blast from above.
This disk felt to be the same sort of substance as the statues, which his
best effort had not managed to even scratch. Now that he thought of it,
though, he recalled a tale of the great brass gong of Rhodes; it was said to
ring so powerfully that it shattered glass for a league or farther. Since it
seemed as if much more of this noise would do the same to his skull, Kratos
decided there could be no harm in trying. He reached down to the
transparent disk and rapped it sharply, once, with his knuckle.
The disk instantly shattered with a sharp report, scattering shards so tiny
as to become dancing motes of dust. The awful sound fell to instant silence.
Kratos plummeted through the hole like a stone down a well.

 

[KLOL506]

Spoiler: Chapter 25 of God of War novel 1

Zeus stood to the east, and so more of his statue was exposed to the dawn
light. Kratos sprang to the figure of the King of Olympus and leaped high to
see if he could touch the statue where the dawn struck it. At the top of his
leap, he felt a surface warm and solid but more slippery than oiled glass. He
drew one of the blades and leaped again to strike the statue. The only effect
his blade could produce was to make the immense statue ring like a great
crystal bell. Not so much as a scratch marred the nearly invisible surface.
But instead of fading like a sounding bell, this ring deepened and
broadened, becoming louder and louder until Kratos had to clap hands over
his ears against the growing pain. Poseidon’s statue was the next closest to
the eastern edge of the roof. Kratos ran to it, steeling himself for the blast of
sound he knew would come when he took his hands from his ears, then
leaped into the dawn light and struck Poseidon, too, with a powerful blow
from a Blade of Chaos.
The belling that rose was deeper, more resonant, and grew in power more
swiftly than had the sound from Zeus. Farthest from the rise of dawn—
appropriately enough, thought Kratos—stood Hades, King of the
Underworld. And this note sparked by Kratos’s blow was darker and deeper
still. The volume of their conjoined chord rose until it seemed to Kratos that
there was nothing in the world except sound.
Hands over his ears did him no further good. He staggered to the central
point between the three statues and fell to his knees. As the rising sun
finally struck the spot where he huddled, what had been featureless stone
became a magically clear window. Directly below him, he saw the chamber
of the Architect, with its throne, on which the armored figure sat as though
oblivious to the universe-destroying sonic blast from above.
This disk felt to be the same sort of substance as the statues, which his
best effort had not managed to even scratch. Now that he thought of it,
though, he recalled a tale of the great brass gong of Rhodes; it was said to
ring so powerfully that it shattered glass for a league or farther. Since it
seemed as if much more of this noise would do the same to his skull, Kratos
decided there could be no harm in trying. He reached down to the
transparent disk and rapped it sharply, once, with his knuckle.
The disk instantly shattered with a sharp report, scattering shards so tiny
as to become dancing motes of dust. The awful sound fell to instant silence.
Kratos plummeted through the hole like a stone down a well.

LMFAO this

Can't wait for this to be used as "hyperbole" to try to debunk Tier 3/2 GOW hot damn

 

[Hellbeast]

Oh shit, I forgot about the parry. They just keep holding the block for the beacon parts, but the other bolt parts are definitely parry-able and you can use that to take on a Siren to... well, unleash a Siren Scream. Totally forgot about that.

Huh neat

Sure.

HMMM

Spoiler: Chapter 25 of God of War novel 1

Zeus stood to the east, and so more of his statue was exposed to the dawn
light. Kratos sprang to the figure of the King of Olympus and leaped high to
see if he could touch the statue where the dawn struck it. At the top of his
leap, he felt a surface warm and solid but more slippery than oiled glass. He
drew one of the blades and leaped again to strike the statue. The only effect
his blade could produce was to make the immense statue ring like a great
crystal bell. Not so much as a scratch marred the nearly invisible surface.
But instead of fading like a sounding bell, this ring deepened and
broadened, becoming louder and louder until Kratos had to clap hands over
his ears against the growing pain. Poseidon’s statue was the next closest to
the eastern edge of the roof. Kratos ran to it, steeling himself for the blast of
sound he knew would come when he took his hands from his ears, then
leaped into the dawn light and struck Poseidon, too, with a powerful blow
from a Blade of Chaos.
The belling that rose was deeper, more resonant, and grew in power more
swiftly than had the sound from Zeus. Farthest from the rise of dawn—
appropriately enough, thought Kratos—stood Hades, King of the
Underworld. And this note sparked by Kratos’s blow was darker and deeper
still. The volume of their conjoined chord rose until it seemed to Kratos that
there was nothing in the world except sound.
Hands over his ears did him no further good. He staggered to the central
point between the three statues and fell to his knees. As the rising sun
finally struck the spot where he huddled, what had been featureless stone
became a magically clear window. Directly below him, he saw the chamber
of the Architect, with its throne, on which the armored figure sat as though
oblivious to the universe-destroying sonic blast from above.
This disk felt to be the same sort of substance as the statues, which his
best effort had not managed to even scratch. Now that he thought of it,
though, he recalled a tale of the great brass gong of Rhodes; it was said to
ring so powerfully that it shattered glass for a league or farther. Since it
seemed as if much more of this noise would do the same to his skull, Kratos
decided there could be no harm in trying. He reached down to the
transparent disk and rapped it sharply, once, with his knuckle.
The disk instantly shattered with a sharp report, scattering shards so tiny
as to become dancing motes of dust. The awful sound fell to instant silence.
Kratos plummeted through the hole like a stone down a well.

Absolutely hyperbole tbh

That and the beams act in the same exact manner as Helios's own light.

Do they tho?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

"universe destroying" damn.

There was also a scan back in the yggdrasil thread about Zeus being capable of crushing the universe in the palm of his hand. Might have been fake, not that it matters ofc

 

[KLOL506]

Do they tho?

Yep. Just a straight old narrow beam, only it's focused on one direction, instead of omnidirectional.

 

[KLOL506]

"universe destroying" damn.

There was also a scan back in the yggdrasil thread about Zeus being capable of crushing the universe in the palm of his hand.

Might have been fake, not that it matters ofc

Not sure about that but Zeus definitely has a feat of being able to shake the foundations of the world in classic DMC5 Urizen English mistranslation style in GOW2 Chapter 49.

"
EVEN NOW, AS YOU DRAW your last breath, you continue to defy me? No matter.”

Kratos took a stumbling step forward, sucked in a deep breath, and forgot the sharp pain that still permeated his body. Not ten paces away Zeus leaned on the hilt of the Blade of Olympus—stuck through Kratos’ body and pinning him to the stone paving. Kratos reached down and touched his chest and mentally corrected what he saw. Zeus had skewered Kratos’ earlier self but now he had returned.

He had defeated the Sisters of Fate, and now he could kill Zeus.

Running fast, he lowered his shoulder, dipped down, and then lifted when he got between Zeus and his own fallen body. Zeus went flying back, staggered by the impact, and fell to the uneven pacing stones of the Rhodesian terrace. Kratos grabbed the Blade of Olympus and pulled it from his chest—from the earlier Kratos’ chest. He had never dwelled on what it would be like to die in combat, but this lay even further beyond his imagination. Seeing himself dead on the inlaid stone floor fueled his anger at Zeus.

He spun on the King of the Gods, the potent sword leveled, point aimed at Zeus’ belly.

“What? How can this be?” Zeus got to his feet, his long white hair caught by the winds generated by the burning city.

Kratos shuddered as power surged through him. He had drained his godly powers into this blade and once again could tap into its reservoir of energy. He experienced the return of the powers of his godhead, if not the godhead itself. He remained a mortal but one with prodigious might.

“The Sisters are dead,” Kratos said, advancing on Zeus.

“Dead? Impossible! They control destiny. They—” Zeus rocked back, face skyward as he vented his ire with a roar that shook the foundations of the world. “They favored us Olympians over the Titans and allowed me to punish Cronos for his transgressions.” Storms danced in the mighty god’s beard, dark clouds swirling about turbulently. He turned to the Ghost of Sparta, searching for evidence of a lie. Then he smiled at Kratos with a touch of appreciation. The smile turned into a sneer.

“I underestimated you.” Zeus held out his hands, palms up. His thunderbolts began forming in each hand. “A mistake I do not intend to repeat.” "

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Kratos just straight up scales from Atlas for dodging his attacks and chaining him, all while he is caught off guard by Persephone's mond manip. Good ol power scaling for speed.

 

[KLOL506]

Kratos just straight up scales from Atlas for dodging his attacks and chaining him, all while he is caught off guard by Persephone's mond manip. Good ol power scaling for speed.

That too. Atlas blitzed and blindsided Helios.

 

[Hellbeast]

Yep. Just a straight old narrow beam, only it's focused on one direction, instead of omnidirectional.

By this do you mean like illuminating and blinding people?

Not sure about that but Zeus definitely has a feat of being able to shake the foundations of the world in classic DMC5 Urizen English mistranslation style in GOW2 Chapter 49.

"
EVEN NOW, AS YOU DRAW your last breath, you continue to defy me? No matter.”

Kratos took a stumbling step forward, sucked in a deep breath, and forgot the sharp pain that still permeated his body. Not ten paces away Zeus leaned on the hilt of the Blade of Olympus—stuck through Kratos’ body and pinning him to the stone paving. Kratos reached down and touched his chest and mentally corrected what he saw. Zeus had skewered Kratos’ earlier self but now he had returned.

He had defeated the Sisters of Fate, and now he could kill Zeus.

Running fast, he lowered his shoulder, dipped down, and then lifted when he got between Zeus and his own fallen body. Zeus went flying back, staggered by the impact, and fell to the uneven pacing stones of the Rhodesian terrace. Kratos grabbed the Blade of Olympus and pulled it from his chest—from the earlier Kratos’ chest. He had never dwelled on what it would be like to die in combat, but this lay even further beyond his imagination. Seeing himself dead on the inlaid stone floor fueled his anger at Zeus.

He spun on the King of the Gods, the potent sword leveled, point aimed at Zeus’ belly.

“What? How can this be?” Zeus got to his feet, his long white hair caught by the winds generated by the burning city.

Kratos shuddered as power surged through him. He had drained his godly powers into this blade and once again could tap into its reservoir of energy. He experienced the return of the powers of his godhead, if not the godhead itself. He remained a mortal but one with prodigious might.

“The Sisters are dead,” Kratos said, advancing on Zeus.

“Dead? Impossible! They control destiny. They—” Zeus rocked back, face skyward as he vented his ire with a roar that shook the foundations of the world. “They favored us Olympians over the Titans and allowed me to punish Cronos for his transgressions.” Storms danced in the mighty god’s beard, dark clouds swirling about turbulently. He turned to the Ghost of Sparta, searching for evidence of a lie. Then he smiled at Kratos with a touch of appreciation. The smile turned into a sneer.

“I underestimated you.” Zeus held out his hands, palms up. His thunderbolts began forming in each hand. “A mistake I do not intend to repeat.” "

Yeah I saw this too, I feel weird about it since the actual shockwave isn't reflected in game so I want to put it down as just adaptation fuckery. I bring it up because we know the Game depiction > The Books' so you could certainly argue it can be ignored under that approach. The novelizations do have some pretty hefty divergences as well (note that whole Medusa segment from 1)

There was also a scan back in the yggdrasil thread about Zeus being capable of crushing the universe in the palm of his hand. Might have been fake, not that it matters ofc

It's fake, I went over it on Discord. In general it's way too powerscaly and no source has ever been provided

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

It's fake, I went over it on Discord. In general it's way too powerscaly and no source has ever been provided

I figured. Doesn't mean much, knowing that he actually could crush the universe, but I didn't believe that scan.

I mean that language is used a lot in the GOW novels and ascension multiplayer, so it wasn't unbelievable entirely, I guess.

 

[Hellbeast]

I figured. Doesn't mean much, knowing that he actually could crush the universe, but I didn't believe that scan.

I mean that language is used a lot in the GOW novels and ascension multiplayer, so it wasn't unbelievable entirely, I guess.

True, but yeah it's one of those weird scans

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

To bring things back to the world tree, this scan I'm not sure is real either, as it's also from the tree downgrade thread, but apparently Richard Gaubert is an actual writer for GOW 2018, so it's worth looking into.

 

[KLOL506]

By this do you mean like illuminating and blinding people?

Aye, it also pushed back Persephone considerably. On top of this, Helios's light can physically destroy stuff too.

Yeah I saw this too, I feel weird about it since the actual shockwave isn't reflected in game so I want to put it down as just adaptation fuckery. I bring it up because we know the Game depiction > The Books' so you could certainly argue it can be ignored under that approach.

Only the parts that actually contradict, for the most part they're secondary canon, games and comics are primary.

The novelizations do have some pretty hefty divergences as well (note that whole Medusa segment from 1)

Eh, I don't think so, the Medusa segment could just be a retcon.

It's fake, I went over it on Discord. In general it's way too powerscaly and no source has ever been provided

The closest I could think of is Zeus just shaking the universe as per mythology with his head which Bruno said yes, but again, it's nothing that new. However, Ares has a genuine feat of "shaking the world and heavens" with his roar in the GOW1 novel, and that part while not shown in the game, is not contradicted either, so it serves as proper backstory material.

Athena's birth interestingly, is a 1:1 event as per the GOW1 Prima Guide Book.

 

[KLOL506]

To bring things back to the world tree, this scan I'm not sure is real either, as it's also from the tree downgrade thread, but apparently Richard Gaubert is an actual writer for GOW 2018, so it's worth looking into.

Well the FB scan is fake, but if what Richard Gaubert says is legit, then we need to investigate further into this.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Ares has a genuine feat of "shaking the world and heavens" with his roar in the GOW1 novel, and that part while not shown in the game, is not contradicted either, so it serves as proper backstory material.

Really? Shouldn't this qualify for universal range?

Athena's birth interestingly, is a 1:1 event as per the GOW1 Prima Guide Book

That she emerged from Zeus' head clad in armor? That happened in GOW?

Well the FB scan is fake, but if what Richard Gaubert says is legit, then we need to investigate further into this.

Definitely. Although infinite dimensions is way above low 1-C ain't it?

 

[KLOL506]

Really? Shouldn't this qualify for universal range?

Definitely should.

That she emerged from Zeus' head clad in armor? That happened in GOW?

Prima Guide says as much, yeah.

Definitely. Although infinite dimensions is way above low 1-C ain't it?

Yes, which is why we need to take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Hellbeast]

Aye, it also pushed back Persephone considerably. On top of this, Helios's light can physically destroy stuff too.

Hmm

Only the parts that actually contradict, for the most part they're secondary canon, games and comics are primary.

Yeah I know, my point is the roar causing such damage would be a contradiction since Zeus barely raises his voice in game and there's no signs this has environmental effects (both of whic clearly cotnradicted by the novelisation's account of events) The Ares stuff would be very good if we prove it's the greater cosmology being shaken here

Eh, I don't think so, the Medusa segment could just be a retcon

It could be but we already have precedent the games come first if anything contradicts them so unless we have an official statement we take that as such

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Definitely should.

Seems it's way more range feats out there than I than I thought.

Prima Guide says as much.

No, I believe u. Scans for
both of these would be nice tho

Yes, which is why we need to take this with a grain of salt.

True dat. Imagine it ends up being real lol and the craziest thing is really there's no way to disprove it because it's not really an outlier and quite consistent throughout the Norse saga.

 

[KLOL506]

Seems it's way more range feats out there than I than I thought.

Aye.

No, I believe u. Scans for both of these would be nice tho

Scans? I can give you the two books if you like.

True dat. Imagine it ends up being real lol and the craziest thing is really there's no way to disprove it because it's not really an outlier and quite consistent throughout the Norse saga.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah I know, my point is the roar causing such damage would be a contradiction

Shaking =/= causing damage tho

You can shake the world and still leave majority of the stuff undamaged if you're careful enough. That's what Magnitude 4 exists for.

since Zeus barely raises his voice in game

God of War 3.

and there's no signs this has environmental effects (both of whic clearly cotnradicted by the novelisation's account of events) The Ares stuff would be very good if we prove it's the greater cosmology being shaken here

It's definitely the greater cosmology being affected given we have a verbatim "Heavens" statement here.

"An earthquake shook the city center. Kratos had to stop and widen his stance in order to keep his feet. Smoke from the burning buildings cleared for a moment to give him a direct view of Ares himself.

The huge god stepped over the Long Wall and strode up the causeway, stepping on Athenians too slow to escape his advance. The war god roared, shaking the heavens and the earth. He reached down, caught a soldier, and flicked him away as he might an annoying bug. The screams were thin and high and then died along with the man when he crashed into the roof of a temple devoted to Zeus. Then Ares began stamping on any who caught his eye, his fury palpable."

-GOW1 Novel, Chapter 9

It could be but we already have precedent the games come first if anything contradicts them so unless we have an official statement we take that as such

The game itself only says that Medusa's head doesn't work on other Gorgons, but never elaborates why. In the novel however, Aphrodite elaborates why it doesn't work: Medusa's dead and it's nerfed the potency of the head, which also explains why it's also no longer permanent. At best I'd just say it's a tiny elaboration on stuff that's already there and it doesn't contradict anything within the game, it further elaborates on it.