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Kratos resists definitely and he himself has it for reasons said by @ATalentedMaidOverpowering someone with Type 2 Abstract Existence isn't Conceptual Manipulation.
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Kratos resists definitely and he himself has it for reasons said by @ATalentedMaidOverpowering someone with Type 2 Abstract Existence isn't Conceptual Manipulation.
Killing someone with AE 2 doesnt requires conceptual manipulation, as you arent killing the concept itself, just the person that relies on itKilling someone with type 2 ae will require some form of concept manipulation because of that type 8 concept based immortality
It doesn't. At most it's Type 8 Immortality Negation.Killing someone with type 2 ae requires some sort of concept manipulation because of that type 8 concept based immortality
This...tells me nothing about why Kratos should have Conceptual Manipulation.Has the same reason as zeus actually.
And finally, Athena realizes - the embodiment of Hope, as she had placed on the box, was also released, and it gave Kratos the power to completely overcome the evils themselves.
And upon hearing this, Kratos realizes the meaning of what Pandora had told him.
Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering itKilling someone with AE 2 doesnt requires conceptual manipulation, as you arent killing the concept itself, just the person that relies on it
U dont need to destroy the abstraction to stop them, a simple negation of their conection with the abstraction is enoughType 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it
Even you could "affect" him, you just wouldn't be able to permanently kill him. It doesn't really grant anything.well isn't poh kratos directly affect "Fear" zeus which is AE2 ?
Thats inaccurate Description of Fear. We already established Fear as a Type 3 Concept.Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it
Also confirmed WoG.Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.
Being Able to interact with Fear an abstraction is ....Enhanced NPI.
Kratos gets that.
I suppose if he manipulates the concept of hope then it should count. I'll see what other staff have to say though.@Planck69 in the end of GoW 3 Kratos literally has the power of hope to empowering his entire being, to where he not only can affect fear by touching him but also amp his weapons with hope itself. Shouldn’t that count as concept manipulation since he’s literally using Hope itself to fight?
Well it didn't grant interaction with AE Type 1 did it?? Well now it hopefully does.....He already has this, granted it is labeled "Advanced"
lol
Ohh this make sense, i agreeSo we have accepted everything except for Kratos Concept Manip.
We already accept Kratos Resistance (and this )to Concept Manip Type 3 so kek.
Everything's accepted for Zeus....except there is a problem with AE2.
Thats inaccurate Description of Fear. We already established Fear as a Type 3 Concept.
That ethereal form of Zeus you see is Fear.
Granted he is influenced by Zeus and taken his shape. But Zeus was possessed by Fear itself not an embodiment of Fear nor an Avatar. The Ethereal Zeus form is Fear, not an embodiment.
Fear is a conceptual abstraction, thus is
AE Type 1.
Also confirmed WoG.
So Fear gets AE Type 1.
Being Able to interact with Fear an abstraction is ....Enhanced NPI.
Kratos gets that.
Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it
Btw, I agree with this too.So we have accepted everything except for Kratos Concept Manip.
We already accept Kratos Resistance (and this )to Concept Manip Type 3 so kek.
Everything's accepted for Zeus....except there is a problem with AE2.
Thats inaccurate Description of Fear. We already established Fear as a Type 3 Concept.
That ethereal form of Zeus you see is Fear.
Granted he is influenced by Zeus and taken his shape. But Zeus was possessed by Fear itself not an embodiment of Fear nor an Avatar. The Ethereal Zeus form is Fear, not an embodiment.
Fear is a conceptual abstraction, thus is
AE Type 1.
Also confirmed WoG.
So Fear gets AE Type 1.
Being Able to interact with Fear an abstraction is ....Enhanced NPI.
Kratos gets that.
I can agree too.Alright, This is gonna take a while but let me explain it for you.
With that alone PoH Kratos should have AE type 2
when Zeus sealed the evils of the Titanomachy within Pandora's Box, Athena feared that the box would one day be opened and release the dark forces that it held. As a safeguard, she placed Hope - a power great enough to kill a God - inside the Box with the myriad evils. In God of War, it was believed that Kratos had absorbed the evils of Pandora's Box in order to defeat Ares. However, Kratos had actually consumed the power of Hope to gain the strength to defeat Ares. After his fall from Mount Olympus during the beginning of the Second Titanomachy, Kratos encountered Athena's Spirit in the Underworld. She advised him to seek out Pandora's Box once more, in order to use the power of Hope that she believed it still contained against Zeus. During his quest, Kratos met the living key to the Box's protection, Pandora, who strongly believed that Hope was the core force that let the living keep on living. However, when Kratos managed to open the Box, it was completely empty. Eventually, with the help of Pandora, Kratos managed to forgive himself while wandering throughout the fear and chaos of his soul and reawakened the long-dormant power of Hope. With the power of Hope, Kratos was able to defeat the spirit of Zeus. Athena then appears and demanded that Kratos return to her the power of Hope. Kratos then stated that the Box was empty. She didn't believe him at first but Athena then realized that the power of Hope that she initially hid inside the Box actually was absorbed by Kratos during his final battle with Ares while all the evils infected the Olympians, which corrupted them. As Kratos refused to give Athena the power of Hope as he was tired of always being used as a pawn, he instead impaled himself with the Blade of Olympus, and thereby released the power, which granted Hope to humanity.
Finally you commented too xDYeah, agreed on AE Type 2 for Kratos
As i said, i'll waiting for a proper conclusion before given my agreement lelFinally you commented too xD
●Resistance to Immortality Type 8 Negation.(Failed to Kill himself despite being able to kill Zeus.)5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.