God of War: Concepts of War and Fear

[Cyberblader90]

Adding some hax to Kratos and Zeus:

Conceptual hax explained here:

The Abstract Nature of the Evils (God of War)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Kratos:

Acausality Type 1 (Is unaffected by his past self dying)

Holy Light Projection via Head of Helios which ignores the durability of demons or demonic creatures, (Scaling from Light of Dawn, Light of Dawn comes from Helios Power)

Intangibility Negation via Head of Helios (Can Nullify Siren Seductress Intangibility.)

Conceptual Manipulation for PoH Kratos (Easily Resisted and Overpowered Fear Zeus)

Conceptual Resistance
Zeus:

Conceptual Manipulation for Fear Zeus (Wields Fear itself)

Abstract Existence (Type 1)

Enhanced Fear Manipulation

Immortality (Type 8)

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Agreed

 

[Mister6ame6]

Agree with this too.

 

[Theglassman12]

This looks good

 

[ElixirBlue]

What Conceptual type?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I think Type 3 is safer?? Could be type 2, but requires more context.

 

[Purgy]

I don't see how this is AE or Type 8?

He was never said to embody fear, only wield it iirc, wielding a concept is neither AE or Type 8, just Conceptual Manipulation.

 

[Planck69]

@GilverTheProtoAngelo Unless it's been shown to govern reality then it would just be Type 4.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Purgy he is literally possessed by Fear itself, so that would be abstract existence type 2 at bare minimum for that version of Zeus.

@Planck69 fear and hope does embody reality in the god of war verse as it’s influenced across the entire world as stated numerous times and even some word of god statements mention it.

 

[Planck69]

@Planck69 fear and hope does embody reality in the god of war verse as it’s influenced across the entire world as stated numerous times and even some word of god statements mention itit.

So, the destruction of it would alter reality in some sense?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

@Purgy
type 8 immortality is because as long as Fear Exists he will keep reviving. Kratos needed to negate that immortality by punching Fear out of him manage to kill Zeus.

@Planck69

Considering Gods in GoW govern their respective area of Reality...and Kratos released Hope for entire mankind. Its enough for 3.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Planck69 considering this is the same fear and hope that was affecting all life since the Dawn of war for the primordials and Titans, yeah it should govern reality.

 

[Planck69]

I suppose so.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That's the definition of type 3 tho

 

[ElixirBlue]

he is literally possessed by Fear itself

Possessed and Embodying/Is are 2 different things to refer to for Abstract Existence. It's an existence.

Being possessed by an A.I. doesn't make me an A.I. Being possessed by a Ghost doesn't make me a ghost.

 

[Theglassman12]

Does the ghost or AI show up in an otherworldly form that covers the entire victim? Cause that’s what Fear itself is doing, it’s manifesting itself outside it Zeus

 

[ElixirBlue]

Does the ghost or AI show up in an otherworldly form that covers the entire victim? Cause that’s what Fear itself is doing, it’s manifesting itself outside it Zeus

Cool, so I can’t touch it but I can still touch Zeus.

 

[Theglassman12]

what does that remotely prove here? Type 2 abstract isn’t even non corporeal abstract in the first place.

 

[ElixirBlue]

what does that remotely prove here? Type 2 abstract isn’t even non corporeal abstract in the first place.

Because the OP is trying to give Zeus himself Abstract Existence while lacking the detail its

an otherworldly form that covers Zeus?

 

[Theglassman12]

Yes, that’s the state Zeus is in, so why would that not scale whatsoever when Fear itself is taking over him?

 

[ElixirBlue]

Yes, that’s the state Zeus is in, so why would that not scale whatsoever when Fear itself is taking over him?

Because he is simply being possessed, not his existence being transformed by it.

 

[Theglassman12]

He… is being transformed. Do you not see the whole scene where Fear is transforming into a twisted form of Zeus?

 

[ElixirBlue]

Fear is transforming into a twisted form of Zeus

Fear is transforming into a form of Zeus and not Zeus being transformed? I'm not understanding the wording.

I did not see the scene, so I'm only going of the wording here like anyone else not familiar with God of War on the multi-franchise Wiki.

 

[Theglassman12]

18:30 mark, fear comes out and takes form of Zeus and is fighting Kratos.

 

[ElixirBlue]

18:30 mark, fear comes out and takes form of Zeus and is fighting Kratos.

Oh!

Then, yeah, Fear should gets its own profile. The Fear's possession behaves as a ghost possessing a mortal.

 

[Theglassman12]

He’s separated as a different key for Zeus, so in case you were wondering, this was only going to apply to Fear Zeus, AKA that ghostly form you see in the video, not normal Zeus.

 

[ElixirBlue]

He’s separated as a different key for Zeus, so in case you were wondering, this was only going to apply to Fear Zeus, AKA that ghostly form you see in the video, not normal Zeus.

Ah. That confused me because Fear sounded like a separate entity apart from Zeus.

I agree with Abstract Existence for Fear Zeus. If it doesn't apply to real Zeus.

 

[Theglassman12]

Yeah, Fear Zeus is what’s this is applied to, not normal Zeus.

 

[Andika_CL_atmadja]

i want to hear some argument regarding conceptual type 2 even though it's require more context.

anyway we're pretty close to use all remaining Greek lore.

 

[Hellbeast]

Following

 

[Planck69]

i want to hear some argument regarding conceptual type 2 even though it's require more context.

anyway we're pretty close to use all remaining Greek lore.

You're not getting Type 2 put of this at all. It only just qualifies for Type 3.

 

[Andika_CL_atmadja]

You're not getting Type 2 put of this at all. It only just qualifies for Type 3.

Ok then

 

[ATalentedMaid]

Shouldn't we call more staff?, 2 were already agreed to it.

 

[Planck69]

Adding some hax to Kratos and Zeus:

Conceptual hax explained here:

The Abstract Nature of the Evils (God of War)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Kratos:

Acausality Type 1 (Is unaffected by his past self dying)

Holy Light Projection via Head of Helios which ignores the durability of demons or demonic creatures, (Scaling from Light of Dawn, Light of Dawn comes from Helios Power)

Intangibility Negation via Head of Helios (Can Nullify Siren Seductress Intangibility.)

This is fine.

Conceptual Manipulation for PoH Kratos (Easily Resisted and Overpowered Fear Zeus)

Overpowering someone with Type 2 Abstract Existence isn't Conceptual Manipulation.

Zeus:

Conceptual Manipulation for Fear Zeus (Wields Fear itself)

Abstract Existence (Type 2)

Enhanced Fear Manipulation

Immortality (Type 8)

Should be fine.

 

[Bernkastelll]

i want to hear some argument regarding conceptual type 2

It cannot be type 2

 

[ATalentedMaid]

Overpowering someone with Type 2 Abstract Existence isn't Conceptual Manipulation.

Has the same reason as zeus actually.

And finally, Athena realizes - the embodiment of Hope, as she had placed on the box, was also released, and it gave Kratos the power to completely overcome the evils themselves.

• “From the box, you gained a strength that Zeus could never destroy, a strength great enough to overcome Fear. Locked deep inside you, Kratos, is Hope. It has remained buried, trapped by your guilt and the failures of your past."

And upon hearing this, Kratos realizes the meaning of what Pandora had told him.

• “Hope is what makes us strong! It is why we are here. It is what we fight with when all else is lost.”

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Also note in this Video Zeus collects all evils in the world and seals them in Pandora's box.
Also noted in blog.

So I propose to add more scans of Concept Manip and Sealing for Zeus in OP.

 

[Rez]

Overpowering someone with Type 2 Abstract Existence isn't Conceptual Manipulation.

Pretty sure killing someone with type 2 AE is

 

[Bernkastelll]

Pretty sure killing someone with type 2 AE is

It isnt

 

[Rez]

It isnt

Killing someone with type 2 ae requires some sort of concept manipulation because of that type 8 concept based immortality