Giorno Giovanna VS Incomplete Arceus

[Primaris_Brian]

Since Giorno has many wins against hax character so why not? Battle happen in Earth-616 and both of them has basic knowledge of their opponent ability.

- Arceus

- Giorno Giovanna

who going to hax who?


Arceus Votes: 4 Inconclusive: 1 Giorno Giovanna Votes: 2



Arceus


Giorno Giovanna

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Bump.

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

Arceus, just wanting to point out Giorno is inconclusive when fighting Dialga.

 

[Kawaru_Shotomata]

i goes with giorno via his hax

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

Giorno reduces his power and will to zero

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm with Mirthful. But not for that reason. Arceus is more likely to hit Gio and remove him without the threat of GER. And Arceus is above will, as Will is Azelf and Arceus created them and created another being vastly stronger than Azelf (the creation trio individually)

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Giorno reduces his power and will to zero

The Real Cal Howard already explained why the latter won't work. As for the power nullification, Giovanna has never nullified an attack from a being who caused two Universes to collide. Giving it to Arceus for much greater maneuverability and higher AP.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

Giornos power is causality he can negate both cause and effects has nothing to do with AP it's hax Arceus"s power won't matter

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Arceus had conceptual manipulation. Conceptual manipulation>causality manipulation.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

Arceus has no conceptual manipulation

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

He literally created the concepts of time and space, and gave them physical manifestation. Ask mighty about it.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

He created Dialga who in turn with the help of palkia created universes he didn't create time and give it physical manifestation and conceptual manipulation is nowhere on his profile madoka has it

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Iirc, it says on dialga's profile that he embodies time, and same with Palkia and space.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Arceus has immeasurable speed, it should be able to beat GER before it can process a thought. If this is a version without the speed advantage Gold Experience Requiem should win on the basis that Arceus is not shown to be above the laws of c&e.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

I see "temporal Pokemon " and stuff but not embodies time even if that were the case however giorno isn't bound by such concepts

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I see "temporal Pokemon " and stuff but not embodies time even if that were the case however giorno isn't bound by such concepts

It's meaningless when Arceus can blitz before GER can even process what to do.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

This version of Arceus can't complete Arceus would be a stomp

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Hmm, slightly biased matchup imo. I feel as if Arceus is nerfed so it would lose.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Well, both are still infinite.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Well, both are still infinite.

Being within Gold Experiences presence is enough for Arceus to be left completely immobolised and helpless, and that allows for LOD punch.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Though, doesn't GER need to come out, while automatic, would be defeated by Arceus' probable concept manipulation when he attacks? If GER starts on the field, and if Mighty says no to conceptual manipulation, then inconclusive like versus Dialga for me.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Though, doesn't GER need to come out, while automatic, would be defeated by Arceus' probable concept manipulation when he attacks? If GER starts on the field, and if Mighty says no to conceptual manipulation, then inconclusive like versus Dialga for me.

GER would already be out, seeing as Giorno has basic knowledge of Arceus in this fight, conceptual manipulation would be rendered futile as Arceus would not have a chance to use it as he would have all the willpower sapped from it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I made a previous willpower comment.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

And I'm pretty sure both get off their attacks at the same time (both being infinite and all). The sapping and the manipulation would leave at best a catatonic Arceus and an deleted Giorno.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

So Arceus's willpower would not be sapped, as it does not have willpower to begin with. Well I guess Arceus could win in this case via erasing GER's concept (if it has the ability to do so). But it may seem inconclusive.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It all depends on whether Mighty responds with yes or no for the conceptual. But glad you agree on the willpower thing. I'm perfectly okay with inconclusive if it comes down to that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mighty confirmed that Arceus has conceptual manipulation as Palkia and Dialga are concepts. So yeah. Point, Arceus.

 

[KazarianFahs]

Pretty sure,that arceus is beyond the concept of will,This a fairly easy win.

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

All hail the mighty Goat God.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Giornos power is causality he can negate both cause and effects has nothing to do with it's hax Arceus's power won't matter

Except even hax needs feats especially AP scalable hax. Turning Will to zero is one thing, nullifying a stronger character's attack is an entire different manner, one where you need to provide proof for or risk NLF.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Except even hax needs feats especially AP scalable hax. Turning Will to zero is one thing, nullifying a stronger character's attack is an entire different manner, one where you need to provide proof for or risk NLF.

It's more to do with how GER's hax works on many characters (even ones stronger than it) due to them not having acasual nature which is stated to only be granted to characters who have be stated/shown to be above it. I remember Lord Kav telling me that tanking attacks or being outside space/time does not grant you immunity from it iirc.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I see. Well Incomplete Arceus's Acausality can be debated.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I see. Well Incomplete Arceus's Acausality can be debated.

If Arceus does indeed have acuausality it would further cement it's win xD.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

It's not acausal. It's more of a resistance than straight up acausality. By the time the effects occur the damage would probably be done.

 

[KazarianFahs]

SO,once there was nothingness,and a single egg hatched to give birth to arceus who then created the creation trio,here are the offical quotes about the trio itself.

Dialga-

"The giver of time...

In laughter, there is tears...

And, likewise it is with time.

The same time flows on.

For it is the blessing of DIALGA."

It is the concept and embodiment of time itself


Palkia-

The birth of PALKIA.

The creator of parallel dimensions...

Alive, yet not alive...

Everything drifts in space...

To arrive in the same universe.

It is the blessing of PALKIA."

It is the concept and embodiment of Space itself


Giratina-

When this world was made, Dialga and Palkia appeared. Apparently, there was one more Pokémon that appeared at the same time. A Pokémon with as much power as Dialga and Palkia... But also one whose name was never to be spoken--Giratina! It's said to lurk in another world... A world on the opposite side of ours..."

The concept and embodiment of antimatter


All three beings have conceptual attacks yet were unable to harm arceus to the slightest,later arceus banished giratina to the opposite world as punishment and palkia and dialga created the "space-time" and the pokemon Verse(s).

And then arceus created Uxie,Mesprit and Azlef all of which are concepts and the living embodiments of Knowledge,emotion and Willpower respectively,so that living beings can come into existence.

So,incomplete arceus may lack in raw power,i don't think that makes him vulnerable to something which he is comfortably "beyond" of.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

>Lack in raw power.

Arceus is the one with the AP advantage.

 

[KazarianFahs]

Lel @TMR i was talking about weakened arceus compared to Le almighty arceus

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Bump.