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Ginjo and Yhwach: The Power-Stealing Hybrids

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This revision addresses both Ginjo and Yhwach. While Ginjo undergoes more significant changes, Yhwach only receives a minor, evident addition along with a slight Quality of Life alteration to his profile.


Ginjo:

Physiologies: Ginjo currently has Soul and Fullbringer physiology in his profile, but he should also have Shinigami and Hollow physiologies. This is due to him being a substitute Shinigami and having stolen Ichigo's Fullbring along with his Shinigami powers. The Hollow part comes from this scan pointing out that he also holds Hollow powers, and this other scan in CFYOW also confirms that he has Hollow powers. Also, moments after the first scan, Ginjo uses a Cero. Ginjo is also a Soul King candidate.

Power Absorption: Currently, Ginjo's profile lists Limited power absorption because he only steals Fullbrings. However, this is incorrect and contradicted by the manga. Suì-Fēng states that Ginjo absorbed the power of normal Shinigami, as shown in CFYOW. This suggests that he should have regular power absorption since he steals power and abilities, and he can use them permanently. This is demonstrated in CFYOW where he can use a Getsuga Tensho long after he stole it from Ichigo.

Yhwach:

Physiology: Yhwach should possess Hollow physiology in his soul king key. Firstly, he is the new Soul King, making him a perfect hybrid. Secondly, he stole Ichigo's Hollow Powers and likely absorbed the 'souls' of other Hollows in battles. Yhwach should also have shinigami physiology via absorbing Shinigami who have died, and thus absorbing all their powers with his soul absorption. You might be wondering why I didn't mention the rest of the physiologies if he is a hybrid; it's because he already has them in his Soul King state, and accepted to have all the powers and abilities of the WSK. This leads to the Quality of Life change.

Quality of Life: Yhwach's Soul King Key should directly include all the powers of the WSK instead of a link redirecting to the WSK's profile. On top of being annoying and lacking precedent in the verse page (I think), the WSK doesn't even have many powers that warrant this redirect. He only has about seven abilities and should not warrant this, unlike other examples of characters who have redirections to other profiles because they have all the abilities in a verse or something similar.

TL;DR:
Ginjo's profile should include Shinigami and Hollow physiologies, and his power absorption should be clarified as regular. Yhwach's profile should include Shinigami, and Hollow physiology, and his Soul King Key should directly showcase all of the WSK powers for a smoother user experience.
 
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Yhwach should also have shinigami physiology via absorbing Shinigami who have died, and thus absorbing all their powers with his soul absorption.

Jugram states this applies to quincy and shinigami aloke.
He already has Shinigami and Fullbring physiologies due to the WSK.

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I just checked, and I was wrong. I'll add the Shinigami stuff to the OP.
 
SK is going to have a ton of stuff once he’s revised so it’s prolly best to keep them separate
Should Shinigami physiology be applied to his Base key since he's been absorbing Shinigamis since then, or should we keep it in his Soul King key for consistency?
 
Physiologies: Ginjo currently has Soul and Fullbringer physiology in his profile, but he should also have Shinigami and Hollow physiologies. This is due to him being a substitute Shinigami and having stolen Ichigo's Fullbring along with his Shinigami powers. The Hollow part comes from this scan pointing out that he also holds Hollow powers, and this other scan in CFYOW also confirms that he has Hollow powers. Also, moments after the first scan, Ginjo uses a Cero. Ginjo is also a Soul King candidate.
why are these edited scans? lol.

ok, don't take scans like this. Copy and paste it instead
 
why are these edited scans? lol.
Edited how? Do you mean the highlighting on the CFYOW Novel? I can provide the original if you want. Your wording made it seem as if I fabricated the scans or something.
ok, don't take scans like this. Copy and paste it instead
How? The website doesn't allow me to copy it. Should I just cut the part that shows the site?
 
Already applied the changes to Ginjo's profile. Please check it to ensure everything is alright. Waiting for Yhwach's profile to be unlocked.
 
It should be high tier arrancar because that's where Ichigo's Hollow should scale. It has resurrection and gran Rey cero
 
It should be high tier arrancar because that's where Ichigo's Hollow should scale. It has resurrection and gran Rey cero
Someone should make a CRT about that. Ginjo should probably be included in Arrancar as well since all hybrids are, and his Bankai looks a lot like a Resurrección. It is implied that his Hollow powers only work in it, at least by the Lost Agent arc
 
Does Yhwach really have anything usable for Shinigami Physiology without a Zanpakuto? Every ability on there besides enhanced invisibility is predicated on having a zanpakuto or tech/equipment only the Gotei gives out
 
Does Yhwach really have anything usable for Shinigami Physiology without a Zanpakuto? Every ability on there besides enhanced invisibility is predicated on having a zanpakuto or tech/equipment only the Gotei gives out
He has the Soul King. He doesn't need a Zanpakuto.
 
He has the Soul King. He doesn't need a Zanpakuto.
That’s got nothing to do with the fact that you can’t use any of the abilities on the Shinigami physiology page besides enhanced invisibility, limited spatial manip, and limited healing without a zanpakuto. And the latter 2 are exclusive to Gotei tech with the Senkaimon and Gentai Kaijo.

There’s no purification without a Zan. No multiple selves without a Zan spirit. No reactive power level in this specific context without a Zan spirit. No power bestowal in this context without a zanpakuto. No size manip in this context without a Zan etc
 
That’s got nothing to do with the fact that you can’t use any of the abilities on the Shinigami physiology page besides enhanced invisibility, limited spatial manip, and limited healing without a zanpakuto. And the latter 2 are exclusive to Gotei tech with the Senkaimon and Gentai Kaijo.

There’s no purification without a Zan. No multiple selves without a Zan spirit. No reactive power level in this specific context without a Zan spirit. No power bestowal in this context without a zanpakuto. No size manip in this context without a Zan etc
Shinigami physiology allows the use of Shunpo and involves some other aspects related to how reiatsu works for Shinigami. Additionally, we can argue that Yhwach can use some Kido since he absorbed the memories and abilities of the Shinigami that were killed. By the way, Shinigami physiology should be revised at some point because there are things missing.
 
Yhwach also would have absorbed the abilities of the Zanpakuto as per how we accept is power absorption to work. Like say someone’s Zanpakuto allowed for them to shoot fireballs, when they died and went to Yhwach, Yhwach would gain the ability to shoot fireballs. That applies broadly with any power he absorbs.
 
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