Hellscream
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Oh... you mean when ks was interfering with his precognition thus making your argument completely obsolete?You mean this?
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Yhwach
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Hellscream
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You realize where his powernull comes from right?
Would you mind explaining that to me?
Would you mind explaining that to me?
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His Almighty was still active. He could still see Ichigo's Getsuga Tensho. And on top of that he had already seen Ichigo's Getsuga Tensho prior to this since he had activated Almighty earlier in the fight.
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Gentsuga is not a hax or anything like that, is simply ichigo shooting his raw energy out.
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Yhwach's statement is not "Any hax I see cannot harm me."
Hellscream
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Why are you blatantly lying?
Yhwach couldn't see getsugha tensho, because he was stabbed in the back, since KS interfered with the almighty.
Which is shown like 2 panels before the panel you just dropped, where Yhwach mistaked Ichigo for Aizen?
He didnt see it, therefore couldn't powernull it easy right?
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so ur argument is that he is supposed to be able to negate raw strenght?
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Oh yeah, accuse me of lying, that'll really convince me to change my mind.
Yhwach turned and saw Ichigo before the Getsuga Tensho was released.
It's being argued in the OP that Yhwach can essentially resist thermal energy which is what Fire Manipulation is, right? So why not spiritual energy?
Hellscream
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So like, after he got stabbed and while still being under the effect of kyouka suigetsu right?
You still haven't explained to me where his powernull is coming from though
I mean, you are lying though.
Im not here to "convince" you lol, im just here to prove you wong
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I believe Damage's argument is that Getusga Tensho is a power. While mechanically speaking, it is just a blast of rieatsu, it is still an ability in the mechanics of the Bleach Universe. It is what Ichigo gets access to as a result of his shikai/bankai, much the same as how Ichibe gets access to taking and giving names with his own shikai/bankai. Bleach doesn't differentiate GT from other shikai abilities, which means following Yhwach's statement it should be something susceptible to his powers.
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K, I'm done responding to Hellscream. I don't have patience for people like that on this site.
Hellscream
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I'll accept that concession gracefully.
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Surely it would at least work on the powers he literally created, no?
Idk about all the other stuff, but man HAS to resist Schrifts.
MintyBoi1
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Probably, that should be a good enough level of “knowing” an ability to resist whatever the ones he created are if they’re not shown hurting him.
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I have no opinion on this thread but as far as I’m aware the general consensus on Yhwach’s explanation is actual “abilities” such as Ichibei’s abilities. Not things like Ichigo’s ability which is just a projection of his raw spiritual pressure. Thought this was obvious.
Hellscream
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Even these "raw power / energy based abilities" were never shown to work on almighty Yhwach, so it's not an argument either way.
The only supposed argument is Kyouka suigetsu, which aizen activated prior to Yhwach even awakening the almighty
The only supposed argument is Kyouka suigetsu, which aizen activated prior to Yhwach even awakening the almighty
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Getsuga tensho with a tramontina is very powerfulYou mean this?
Hellscream
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Since Damage refused to answer my question earlier i'll answer in his stead.
Yhwach's powernull comes from his precognition, which obviously will not work if kyouka suigetsu is intefering with it.
It's not based on his "normal sight" it's based on his precognition.
Hence why Yhwach didn't just powernull Getsuga Tensho as he simply wasn't able to see it, due to the interference with his precog.
Kyouka suigetsu ******* up his precognition = no knowledge on said abilities = no powernull.
Yhwach's powernull comes from his precognition, which obviously will not work if kyouka suigetsu is intefering with it.
It's not based on his "normal sight" it's based on his precognition.
Hence why Yhwach didn't just powernull Getsuga Tensho as he simply wasn't able to see it, due to the interference with his precog.
Kyouka suigetsu ******* up his precognition = no knowledge on said abilities = no powernull.
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Yeah, because he didn’t see that coming.
Saqphire
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Yeah put me up as agree
Bruh, you do know that's what he's saying right? Juha wasn't able to see the GT coming because Aizen messed up his perception where his pre-cog (and thus his power null) comes from. That factor alone makes the "getsuga tenshou" counter-argument null and void, and KS affecting him is accepted as a limitation on the wiki
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Why are you repeating what I said? I already said, yeah, because he didn’t see it coming therefore he can’t null it. Smh
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Ichigo’s Getsuga Tenshō was able to slash Yhwach because Uryū’s silver arrow temporarily nullified Yhwach’s Allmighty, making him vulnerable to attacks for a short time.
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This is partially true but misleading in the context of what actually happens in the final battle between Ichigo and Yhwach. Yhwach's Allmighty was active during the earlier stages of the battle when Ichigo attacked him with his Getsuga Tensho but at the moment when Ichigo's final attack landed, Almighty was temporarily deactivated due to Uryu's silver arrow, which halted Yhwach's powers for a brief time. Yhwach could not foresee or alter that specific attack which is why it worked for Ichigo
Aizen's KS also interfered with Yhwach’s perception of reality
Aizen used KS full hypnosis to create an illusion where Yhwach believes he is fighting Ichigo, but he is actually fighting Aizen. This created a problem for Yhwach’s ability to use Allmighty to foresee the future.
Even though Allmighty was active in this moment, KS disrupted the ability for Yhwach to see the future and altered his reality. Yhwach was unable to detect the truth of the situation, meaning he was tricked and couldn’t counter Ichigo’s real attack at that moment.
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Ichigo didn't kill Yhwach for the final time with a Getsuga Tensho, he did so with just a normal slash. The only Getsuga Tensho that Ichigo hits Yhwach with while All-Mighty is activated is the one he suffered under the effects of Kyoka Suigetsu not the Arrow
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It is also incorrect to say that Ichigo delivered a normal slash. Ichigo delivers the finishing blow using Tensa Zangetsu which combines his sword slash with the residual power of Getsuga Tensho. This attack is his ultimate move combining his Zangetsu and Getsuga Tensho into one.
After Yhwach breaks free from Aizen's KS he prepares to finish off Ichigo. However, before he can act, Uryu shoots him with a Still Silver arrow. This arrow temporarily nullifies Yhwach's powers. This was explained here
Right after Uryū’s arrow hits, Ichigo delivers the final blow. The reason this attack works is because Yhwach’s powers was disabled by the Still Silver arrow. which means that at the moment Ichigo's attack lands, Yhwach cannot foresee or alter the future to avoid it.
You imply that KS was responsible for the final Getsuga Tensho landing, but that’s not accurate. Aizen’s illusion played a role earlier in the battle yes but the decisive blow was only possible because Uryū’s arrow disabled Yhwach’s powers. What you said here is false because it ignores the fact that allmighty was deactivated by Uryu's arrow during Ichigo's final and decisive attack.
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Firstly, where are you getting this information that Ichigo's bankai is his getsuga tensho merged with his blade?
Secondly, ignore that question because what you're talking about at the moment isn't actually important for what was being said. Yhwachs death at the hands of Ichigo's final slash was never the topic of discussion.
Only the getsuga tensho that killed Yhawch the first time and the getusga tensho that Ichigo used before Yhwach opened his eyes were brought up before this
Secondly, ignore that question because what you're talking about at the moment isn't actually important for what was being said. Yhwachs death at the hands of Ichigo's final slash was never the topic of discussion.
Only the getsuga tensho that killed Yhawch the first time and the getusga tensho that Ichigo used before Yhwach opened his eyes were brought up before this
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yeah but you said, "while All-Mighty is activated is the one he suffered under the effects of Kyoka Suigetsu not the Arrow" and i explained why this is inaccurate here which you haven't responded to
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CodeCCLL
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No, this feat is not considered a limitation for Yhwach, but a credit for Aizen.
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but it says on Yhwach's weakness section, "And the Almighty cannot dispel illusions that were placed on him before he activated the Almighty."
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Strange, how can someone read that scan and say it’s vague lol. It’s pretty clear. He even further explains it in the manga that he can steal powers with The Almighty lol.
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he is trying to say there is a contradiction because Ichigo's Getsuga Tensho slashed Yhwach but this claim is extremely misleading and missing a lot of context
CodeCCLL
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I don't know why this is there.
If Aizen could have kept Kyoka Suigetsu active, Yhwach would not have been able to dispel illusions.
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what
its literally in Yhwach's profile that its considered a weakness for almighty
but someone here said its a contradiction even though KS was used before activating almighty
Churchill
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Yeah, that was moreso directed at code. Should've tagged him
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The Bleach hax situation is complicated ... There are a lot of unanswered questions like:
1. Can hax abilities be overcome by higher spiritual pressure?
2. Why is Uryu immune to Auswahlen?
3. How was Uryu able to land the still silver arrow?
4. Why was the Almighty unable to see Mimihagi's actions?
5. How powerful is Kyoka Suigetsu? Was it showing Yhwach an infinite variation of illusions for all future possibilities?
1. Can hax abilities be overcome by higher spiritual pressure?
2. Why is Uryu immune to Auswahlen?
3. How was Uryu able to land the still silver arrow?
4. Why was the Almighty unable to see Mimihagi's actions?
5. How powerful is Kyoka Suigetsu? Was it showing Yhwach an infinite variation of illusions for all future possibilities?
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