Yea I know that such assumption could be argued, which is why previously I have talked about how Babylon god can summon their true form to this place if it's necessary to defeat others. So the power scaling should include their true forms already.
I agree with that but outer gods should be exception from power scaling since some of them aren't even allowed to walk in Babylon. The mother lives outside of Babylon (a place constituted by faith). Azathoth infects the air (spiritual pollution as it is described) just by walking around. Outer gods also never appeared in power struggle of Babylon students.
Those who're outside of Babylon are not under the influence of faith until they arrive in this realm (read the Divine Comedy story). Outer Gods may greatly affect the Babylon but they still live there regardless (Azathoth always sleeps there and The Mother is literally called "Babylon mother". Judging by how the conversation currently goes I think there is nothing to add more so I will let Ultima to decide the rest.
This sounds good. The mother doesn't live in Babylon. That's why Chaos and Universal Nature said "I have a feeling that if this being is allowed to walk Babylon, the balance of Yin and Yang will be crushed."
Divine Comedy isn't actually that powerful. It's also stated in her kizuna that there're a lot of gods here and it is not a useful skill. Her skill got affected by faith level because she wasn't strong? If every beings including outer gods came to babylon and will be limited by faith level, why Choas and Universal nature would say the balance of Yin and Yang will be crushed? The only possibility is that they are so strong. Azathoth lives there there's no mention of her power being decreased or limited. She still polluate the air and give depressions to other godheads just by walking and listening music.
They’re depowered but not to the point losing all of powers, it’s simple as that.
It literally said “In Babylon”, so to say she isn’t there is wrong.
星辰熄灭之刻玛玛便是玛玛，也是妈妈。她是未成熟的星辰之母，她无比热爱着她制造出的一切。关爱着她们，为她们的快乐而高兴，为她们的痛楚而悲哀。然而，在她的视野中，万事万物总体的混乱程度每时每秒都在悄然攀升。欢乐的日子必将一去不回，灰暗和死灭将会占领这个世界的每一个角落。因此，她必将履行她的职责，唯一的职责：包容一切，让万事万物重归她的胎内。让她所热爱的一切，在看见她所看见的那份，灰败无比的未来之后，将自己的一切都寄托于她。将整个宇宙再度蜷缩为一个最基本的粒子，再用这最后的粒子……诞生她自己。两个完全一致的存在将会触发湮灭与爆炸，重启整个宇宙——那便是星辰诞生之刻。而那个新生的她，则会继续守望这个世界，确保它的重启。现在的玛玛看上去只是一个少女，也只在一颗星球上活动……看来即使不可避免，这个世界的重启之日也还很遥远。不过这样残酷的使命她不会告诉任何人，这便是倒吊者的命运，她们的世界与常人颠倒，从悲哀中见喜悦，从喜悦中见悲哀。"The Moment the Stars Went Out" The Mother is a mother, and is the mother. "She is the young mother of the stars, who loves beyond measure all that she has made. Caring for them, delighting in their joys and grieving for their pains. The days of joy will never return, and the grayness and death will take over every corner of this world. Therefore, she shall fulfill her duty, her only duty: to embrace all things, to bring all things back into her womb. Let all that she loves, after seeing that which she sees, a future of unparalleled darkness, put all that she has in her. To curl the whole universe once more into the most fundamental zeroth point, and then to use this last point... to give birth to herself. Two identical beings will trigger annihilation and explosion, restarting the entire Universe — that is the moment of the birth of the stars. And that newborn her will continue to watch over the world and ensure its restart. The current Mother appears to be just a young girl and only active on one planet... It seems that even if it is inevitable, the day of this Universe's restart is still very far away. But she won't tell anyone about such a cruel mission. This is the fate of the people who hang upside-down. Their Universe is twisted compared to that of normal people's. From sadness to see joy, from joy to see sadness."
We can just say yog is responsible for making this happen. Yog sends her divine power to K building and babylon to have yin and ying in the traditional sense of me providing Duality to someone. Given the point is yog is giving people Divine Power. Unless i am misunderstanding something
This is also a problem we can't solve now. Except from Entry 5, Yog Sothoth never gave her divine power to anyone. She only granted them wisdom as you can see in previous four chapter. Part 5 is meta fictional, So it shouldn't count as giving someone her divine power to someone in universe. Let's see how will Ultima take this
Yea I can understand that.
She is not like concept of wisdom. She has knowledge of literally everything and grant people wisdom. That's why she is worshipped as Wisdom itself. It's already stated in her story that Yog Sothoth trascends the boundries of everything. She is also the Tao which can't be described by anything.
yog is not wisdom nor is she the goddess of wisdom
metis is the goddess of wisdom or however you spell it lol Chinese is hard, brain not working atm
It'll be really funny if it did. A loli that solos your verse is something you don't see very ofter
Your blue and white bro?
Blue and white has been removed from our wiki and it’s already banned right?
I searched up a little bit about Star Mother who is the reference of The Mother and found this. I don't even know why I argued so hard about this when the writing is really simple. My reading comprehension is dropping - _ -
lovecraft.fandom.com
Lovecraft didn't write this.
Before the revision he is just High 1-A, and he was deleted.
My reason is more about the fact that everyone in Babylon called her mother of all things actually, but now I focus more on the anti feats about Chronos and God of War.
that was just the fact she was the mother of "all things" in the sense of Babylon, the other academies, the worldlines, etc etc. not yog. Yog was before everything. Chronos and God of war don't contradict yog being top tier though, Yogs true form can send them divine power and they can become super strong to make these special universes, thanatos arguably did that trick to after killing zeus.
Send the scan then because for now nothing proves that Chronos doesn't predate her.
where are you getting this chronos stuff from? chronos existed during the time of chaos.
and on top of it all the worldlines should have existed during when you get introduced to chronos with the infinite universes and what not they talk about cause everything about certain gods come from faith and legends
i thought i clicked the edit to fix the message. My bad. yea we don't one long thread. but my argument still stands though i think tf yog is what causes all fo this which leads to stuff like Chronos stuff being possible.
Chronos being the oldest and primitive god is only true within the Universe. Because from Thanatos's kizuna, we know that Lord Of Myrid Realms outside the Universe who created all greek gods predates her.
More over, Yog Sothoth knows about the birth of gods and religions which mean she predates all of them.
Her godhead story, this one can be read even before her favourability reaches 10.
The scan you sent doesn't say that he created all Greek gods, and the story of Chronos doesn't say she is the oldest in the universe.
Again, which part says "birth of all gods? Why does "birth of gods" randomly include Chronos?
Chronos didn't exist after the existence of Babylon so this proves nothing.
the one major problem to ggz is when they refer to Universe as the multiverse at times lol. World lines cover the infinite universes, chronos story i don't think would say she is the oldest given there is notions of stuff before chronos and what not. Chronos is a god so if we are saying "birth of all gods" = the birth to every god then chronos should be included but i think we can establish this to not entirely be the case at least imo cause "birth" is a bit subjective in this case.
