- 177,339
- 90,208
It was about pitting different characters against each other for the sake of ruthless domination, including via crossovers, and DC Comics has taken plenty of jabs in the powerscaling direction previously.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
General DC Comics Discussion Thread
- Thread starter Confluctor
- Start date
-
- Tags
- dc comics
- 865
- 350
I think it was its attempts at the Tournament of Power but it flopped. Comics shouldn't do tournament arcs imo. Also the Superboy bit was clunky nglIt was about pitting different characters against each other for the sake of ruthless domination, including via crossovers, and DC Comics has taken plenty of jabs in the powerscaling direction previously.
- 865
- 350
Honestly after reading all of The New Gods and their related material I gotta say. Other than Jack Kirby (greatest comic writer of all time) Grant Morrison and Ram V are my top three (in that order).
- 76
- 45
- 865
- 350
Pretty sure DCs 4th dimension isn't a spatio temporal one as it's not bound by our physics/Snyders dimensions are confusing but basically the Snyderian 4th dimension of reality is time (Hypertime if we use scans for DCs Gods). But there's like, either multiple emanation Hearts of Apokolips or a singular one functioning across infinite universes gathering omega energy from the tournaments
- 865
- 350
Contrary to popular belief time is not the Fourth Dimension but rather a temporal dimension coupled alongside length, width and breadth
- 865
- 350
Hypertime basically contains all timelines outside the multiverse or another interpretation (one I'm on board with) is that its continuity itself
- 6,632
- 3,530
breath?
- 865
- 350
No breadth. Depths another word for it
- 6,632
- 3,530
- 177,339
- 90,208
Something of possible interest.
www.theguardian.com
Paramount-Warner Bros mega-merger could still face ‘real threats’, antitrust experts say
The $110bn deal will require approval from regulatory authorities in the US, the EU and the UK
www.theguardian.com
- 4,091
- 4,785
4D isn't literal. The New Gods exist beyond the four-dimensional universe and even the Bleed, currently accepted to be 11D. Some authors, like Scott Snyder, prefer to consider their higher dimensions as layers or planes of existence rather than dimensions related to physics and geometry. Thus, even if the author's intention was supposedly to consider the New Gods as literally four-dimensional entities, this would not be consistent with the broader cosmology.
- 4,091
- 4,785
In any case, Omega King Darkseid should undoubtedly be High 1-A. His Omega Energy was consuming the Speed Force and Hypertime, gradually corrupting them. Even Magic was becoming part of Darkseid. He defeated the World Forger with a single blast of his Omega Beams and incapacitated the Time Trapper (Doomsday), even though Darkseid was heavily weakened by Booster Gold's body. He is way more powerful than his Spectre-possessed form or his Godhead (True form).
- 6,632
- 3,530
W Superman upscale given that he fought him
- 4,091
- 4,785
Yes, Superman's Omega King form, powered by the Alpha Effect, will upscale given that he fought Omega King Darkseid. Furthermore, we can assume that King Omega Darkseid is more powerful than Mister Mxyzptlk, given that Joker chose him as a secret ally during the KO tournament without actually using his Emperor Joker form against Darkseid. While this could be due to story purposes, I think it's a good indicator of their respective power levels.
DollaZoon60097
She/Her- 25
- 9
I'm curious about this thread.
Are we still going to merge the J.M Dematteis Cosmology? The merge is necessary because I know somebody who has a legitimate justification for Transduality Type 3 for all characters who are on the same level as the Light and the Great Darkness. It includes panels from comic writers such as J.M Dematteis, Grant Morisson, and any other writers.
Summary of Transduality Type 3
• Order and Chaos are fundamental opposing forces that govern the Multiverse in harmony and oneness since pre-creation. From their differentiation, general dualities were born. They also have lesser aspects, Foment and Moment, metaphysical entities that generate cosmic duality in harmony and make up reality.
- Order = A.
- Chaos = Not A.
- Foment and Moment = A and Not A, representing duality in general.
- Narrative/Flaw = Both and Neither. It contains the cycles of existence, including Order & Chaos and Foment & Moment. It also has an antithesis called The End, which exists outside the influence of the cycles of existence, including the Narrative Singularity (Comic-Book Limbo).
- Shining Tower = Plurality. It exists above Order & Chaos, The End, and the Narrative. It exists as the concept of a concept, being the very concept of existence itself. Without it, existence would fall apart. The Shining Tower also cannot be destroyed because the concept of destruction cannot function without it. This means the cycles of existence—such as Order & Chaos, The End, and the Narrative—are entirely dependent on the Shining Tower for eternity. If the Shining Tower were to collapse, it would bring about total destruction, leaving everything as nothing, with not even nothingness remaining (Eternity girl #6).
That is just a short summary of it. The full version contains many explanations based on the comics and discusses the connection of all of that to the story in depth, such as Order & Chaos, The End, Narrative, and the Shining Tower. I mean, that is not headcanon, and it is necessary to discuss it here.
Are we still going to merge the J.M Dematteis Cosmology? The merge is necessary because I know somebody who has a legitimate justification for Transduality Type 3 for all characters who are on the same level as the Light and the Great Darkness. It includes panels from comic writers such as J.M Dematteis, Grant Morisson, and any other writers.
Summary of Transduality Type 3
• Order and Chaos are fundamental opposing forces that govern the Multiverse in harmony and oneness since pre-creation. From their differentiation, general dualities were born. They also have lesser aspects, Foment and Moment, metaphysical entities that generate cosmic duality in harmony and make up reality.
- Order = A.
- Chaos = Not A.
- Foment and Moment = A and Not A, representing duality in general.
- Narrative/Flaw = Both and Neither. It contains the cycles of existence, including Order & Chaos and Foment & Moment. It also has an antithesis called The End, which exists outside the influence of the cycles of existence, including the Narrative Singularity (Comic-Book Limbo).
- Shining Tower = Plurality. It exists above Order & Chaos, The End, and the Narrative. It exists as the concept of a concept, being the very concept of existence itself. Without it, existence would fall apart. The Shining Tower also cannot be destroyed because the concept of destruction cannot function without it. This means the cycles of existence—such as Order & Chaos, The End, and the Narrative—are entirely dependent on the Shining Tower for eternity. If the Shining Tower were to collapse, it would bring about total destruction, leaving everything as nothing, with not even nothingness remaining (Eternity girl #6).
That is just a short summary of it. The full version contains many explanations based on the comics and discusses the connection of all of that to the story in depth, such as Order & Chaos, The End, Narrative, and the Shining Tower. I mean, that is not headcanon, and it is necessary to discuss it here.
Last edited:
- 4,091
- 4,785
Combining DeMatteis with the broader cosmology was already accepted. It juts need to be applied to our DC Cosmology blog.
- 11,500
- 5,330
anyone else saw the trailer for the upcoming green latern tv show? It is shit. Green lantern without any space, and turning it to regular cop instead of space cop drama.
- 6,632
- 3,530
Im feeling like the trailer makes it best to actually hide the Lantern action
- 865
- 350
Where would the shining tower be placed? High Space iirc is compared to the backstage of the universe
- 865
- 350
Their avatars even recently were stated to be extra dimensional
- 1,112
- 400
To add, Scott said Omega King Darkseid was the greatest villian which may make him above Perpetua and TDK who Scott wrote about, and
Superman also absorbs the big bang that very well might be the same big bang emanated from the Source and shaped the omniverse and the Endless, since he was going back in time through multiversal lvl events like Crisis to reach that big bang.
- 865
- 350
It is as that big bang had all matter (matter, anti matter and dark matter) as well as all possibilities (multiverse worlds are possible worlds)
- 865
- 350
My parademon shi's almost done. All I need are my sources, small disclaimer tho as it's from the current stuff. 2010 and onwards
- 865
- 350
Also... also... it was stated it was the one thing he didn't claim. Meanwhile the same Omega Tournament was being held across the infinite multiverse so it's probably the shared big bang of all those universes
- 181
- 45
Shouldn't this be information manipulation and mathematics manipulation for tdk?
- 181
- 45
I wanna make threads about
- 2B to 2A key for superman
-Abilities for DC characters
Should I just mashed them together or separate them/make 2 threads?
- 2B to 2A key for superman
-Abilities for DC characters
Should I just mashed them together or separate them/make 2 threads?
- 106
- 59
Your take on the shining tower is right. The issue comes with the various degrees of ontologies. The shining tower should be rated highly but not beyond the implicate order, wether it is beyond forment and moment is something we shall continue to discuss. Caroline Sharpe also has a core said to be monadic(miscellaneous).
- 4,091
- 4,785
The Deep Change was accepted to be the Light (manifest form of the Source)Shouldn't this be information manipulation and mathematics manipulation for tdk?
- 181
- 45
I know, I just wanted to ask if tdk can get those haxs that I just suggested
- 865
- 350
Ram Vs New Gods have them residing in the universes dimensional space. We know it's not the true godworlds as those are outside the multiverse and prime earth is cut off from the rest of it since Absolute Power. Which is why I think New God Emanations are 5-6D personally
- 865
- 350
Then there's the whole "time flows differently in Fourth World" thing
- 865
- 350
I delved into the topic on my New Gods Physiology thread but i need to make a respective one talking about it. But i need to do Parademons and Devilance first
- 4,091
- 4,785
Hmm. TDK did not affect the profound change, so I'll say no.
- 4,091
- 4,785
Weren't the New Gods in this series unaffected by the whole universe cutting off from the Multiverse thing ? I can believe their emanations are 4-D but not above.
- 865
- 350
I don't recall the bit of them being unaffected by Absolute Power so I may be wrong there. But a GL stuck in Sur Tuin (Super Town) did say that Fourth World is cut off from the rest of traversable space and that the Nyctari were an interplanetary racket in issue 9. It issue 10 near the end the Nyctari appear again and Stewart says they're from dimensional space. The dimensions they were referring to couldn't be universe imo because of Absolute Power. They have been hinted at being Higher dimensional in the 90s with Anarky and Jack Kirbys Fourth World making their place 6D.
- 181
- 45
I'm a bit confused
Does the source have like many manifestations?
Some, very specific? How some can affect and get info/math manip but some others can be affected but not get the info manip?
Because the high 1A key for the source has deep change in it+ "pure information totality" which the name suggest info manip if affecting it
The Source
The Source is a metaphysical concept created by writer/artist Jack Kirby for his Fourth World series of comic books. It first appeared in New Gods #1 (February 1971). It is the source of all that exists. Mostly associated with the New Gods, the Source was the supposed origin of the Godwave that...
vsbattles.fandom.com
Didn't the hands utilize some of the source as their power? Who they admitted inferiority towards tdk
Last edited:
- 865
- 350
the light of creationI'm a bit confused
Does the source have like many manifestations?
Some, very specific? How some can affect and get info/math manip but some others can be affected but not get the info manip?
Because the high 1A key for the source has deep change in it+ "pure information totality" which the name suggest info manip if affecting it
The Source
The Source is a metaphysical concept created by writer/artist Jack Kirby for his Fourth World series of comic books. It first appeared in New Gods #1 (February 1971). It is the source of all that exists. Mostly associated with the New Gods, the Source was the supposed origin of the Godwave that...
Didn't the hands utilize some of the source as their power? Who they admitted inferiority towards tdk
