I'm reading back on what I missed. So there's that and this time I won't take a break on the responses so I'm not bombarded by so many messages.
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Ok, I see some issues with this that look like a generic copy-cat of outdated information. I swear I've seen that sort of format and half of it is contrived information.
Greater Omniverse:
- Mansions of Silence: This realm is not outside Creation and it was never stated as such. The location as said by Belgelmir is at the edge of the coin on each side of the afterlives to those who do not harbor Heaven nor Hell. It isn't outside the “coin” and it isn't outside Creation. All that Cal said was that it was beyond Silver City, which also is in Creation and is interconnected physically to Armaggdeon Plain which is in the eastern aspect of Heaven.
There's a difference between Heaven and the Silver City in Lucifer which was the slipside in Sandman. Nevertheless, I made a literal profile showing where it actually is, and it is not outside Creation.
The only things outside Creation we see in Lucifer are Yggdrasil and Eden Garden. Perhaps, the pocket reality that Sandalphon crafted was held by Michael’s God given powers.
Read the profile:
The Mansions of Silence is an afterlife that’s not the conventional one when either realm does not harbor certain souls or things. It’s noted as the edge of the coin, if Heaven and Hell were two sides of the same coin. A place of illusions and lies that holds countless untold souls and forgotten...
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Then this is why I consulted with
@Ultima_Reality about things like this because I knew we would fall into dumb stipulation. The Endless scaling is so dumb and Ultima could explain which no one would complain if he did. Nevertheless, it's somehow bound to “Creation” due to DC New History:
Time, Night, and The Endless:
- We know Time isn't in Creation because his whole being encompasses it all when they exist and do not. His coming within Night is the reason for Creation's existence, so they wouldn't be randomly pushed into Creation since cause-and-effect is the structural foundation of Yahweh’s existence and Time realms lack that and see all his children on all their “moments” existing in time of their inception and whatnot.
- Night is obvious, she predates all beginnings and survives all endings. She's the eternal cosmic emptiness that had always existed with the worlds of light above her realm of true darkness.
- The Endless in their aspects were born into Creation. The New History books mentioned nothing of their true self. I've already put their “True Form” key in their profile, which again the New History Book had mentioned about Sandman #22 which tells us that their “aspects” are mere glinting light nothing more than tiny specks of light in their true form.
Let’s recall the many times they were stated to predate Creation, in their truest self.
- Morpheus tells Cain and Adam, he carpeted artifacts before the Dawn of Time.
- Morpheus tells Corinthian about the laws established when all was void. Which he was present for.
- Let’s recall that the Endless were actualized in their truest self from the essence of “Time” because Time is all of existence in which they began, end, and will exist.
- Let’s recall Destruction saying the Light and the Big Bang were lousy and loud things that bothered him.
- Let’s also recall that the first version of the Endless is also all the same Dream because each Dream is projected by their true self since all of them recall that they existed since the Void.
There's more, but I digress. They're not bound to time. Ultima, another expert on DC Comics, and I discussed that Time, Night, and Endless transcend Michael and Lucifer by a long shot. So if they're High 1-A then obviously Endless would be as well. You can check out the
experts answer here about the History Book and the more accurate lore since the guide books don't paint the fill picture, but, nevertheless, the guidebook never even contradicted the source material.
The answer is very long, but it left no detail out. This is why I prefer Ultima to come here and see this bogus cosmology take.
The Overvoid =/= The Source?
This is also the dumbest thing. In all the mention of the Overvoid (I’ve read all of it) outside interview, which the term “non-dual” was rarely ever coined. I, recall, the Overvoid being non-dual only in Morrison’s Green Latern run. Which he happened to also draw the Multiversity Map with the Source being outside everything, which he admits there's no difference between The Source and The Overvoid.
Then in Final Crisis: Secret Files, he explained that the Source “is not dual.” In his rough sketch of Multiversity, he said the Source is the white page outside all of Creation.
Last I recalled outside him, It was never stated The Overvoid was non-dual especially since Justice League: Incarnate which references the very same story of the Overvoid being described during Morrison's time. In Death Metal, even Ultima agreed that the Overvoid is nothing like Final Crisis, it isn't “consciousness nor ground of being” since beings existing in it and being created from its “rent” is impossible.
Not to mention the true void that is self-referential and eternal is the Darkness. We see this in New Gods, Absolute Green Lantern, Absolute Maratin Manhunter, Green Lantern: Dark. The list goes on.
Lastly, I also recall that The Greater Omniverse and The Overvoid were the same thing in Snyder's take of the Void that houses Creation. Last I also recalled they never retcon it being the realm of light before the Multiverse and came into being from the Darkness.
The Divine Presence =/= The Presence?
As shown above this is stupid. I've read all of DeMatteis’ story, talked to him, read all his interviews. I recount he coined the Presence twice, ever. One in Spectre and the other in Phantom Stranger. All else, he uses “The Presence.” The Presence is just a title that denotes both aspects and the whole, adding the word “divine” makes no difference. Divine Presence was mentioned in a Gaudium storyline in describing the transcendence of Yahweh who was above the immance of his Creation.
What kind of logic is this? Nevertheless, DeMatteis has said it more than 10 times, “The Presence” contains the Void and dreams of the Universe, he literally stated this in Superhirl: Wings when Zauriel was conversing with a demon, that the Presence dreams of everything and everything was just his thoughts and imagination. The same thing was said in a previous comic in Spectre #10, so yeah, why the hell are we counting it like that?
I could continue on, but I've already out everything about the “true extent” of the elemental realms. The recent Aquaman comics and the statement about the Blue/Clear already reaffirms each of the elemental realms are grander in their purest form. I listed the entirety of Animal Man in the current Cosmology page, and there's no actual good rebbutal against it because we tone it to only the smallest aspect of it’s power.
