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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Elizio33 said:
For example: in Vertigo, the Endless are sometimes described as older than Creation, while in Crisis, they were born from the Big Bang. In Vertigo, the Silver City is located in the Void while in Crisis, the Silver City is located within the Sphere of the Gods. In Vertigo, Mother Night and Father Time are parents to the Endless and their interplay made all versions of Creation possible, while in Crisis, they are not even mentioned, though we can assume they are a product of a different belief system, shaped through the Collective Unconscious, but it's just a theory.
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The thing is, the usage of creation is very context dependent in DC. In most instances beings of the sphere of gods use creation to refer to the material world as evident from JLA where the angels of the silver city used them interchangeably. However, in the context of someone like Perpetua, it would be referring to the totality of what she created, which is like the Collective Unconscious, Godsphere, Speed Force, etc. Meanwhile to the Monitor Sphere, creation is used interchangeably with all that exists or all things, and is referent to the jar.

So there’s ways to work around the creation part in reference to the Endless. It just has to be taken as a case by case thing.
 
Xearesay said:
The thing is, the usage of creation is very context dependent in DC. In most instances beings of the sphere of gods use creation to refer to the material world as evident from JLA where the angels of the silver city used them interchangeably. However, in the context of someone like Perpetua, it would be referring to the totality of what she created, which is like the Collective Unconscious, Godsphere, Speed Force, etc. Meanwhile to the Monitor Sphere, creation is used interchangeably with all that exists or all things, and is referent to the jar.

So there’s ways to work around the creation part in reference to the Endless. It just has to be taken as a case by case thing.
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Can't agree more. But in the context of Vertigo, the Endless (True Form) were meant to precede Creation entirely which isn't the case in the Crisis Cosmology.
 
I know this has been discussed before, but regarding the self-referential void in The New Gods #1 (2025), could this void actually be the Overvoid? A void that refers only to itself and exists independently of anything else, including dualities. Perhaps the Source emerged from it, as a product of this self-referential void, while the Great Darkness only became defined with the emergence of its contrast (the Source).
 
Elizio33 said:
I know this has been discussed before, but regarding the self-referential void in The New Gods #1 (2025), could this void actually be the Overvoid? A void that refers only to itself and exists independently of anything else, including dualities. Perhaps the Source emerged from it, as a product of this self-referential void, while the Great Darkness only became defined with the emergence of its contrast (the Source).
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That is a possibility, yes. Does the rest of the current New Gods series further clarify this? 🙏
 
Elizio33 said:
I know this has been discussed before, but regarding the self-referential void in The New Gods #1 (2025), could this void actually be the Overvoid? A void that refers only to itself and exists independently of anything else, including dualities. Perhaps the Source emerged from it, as a product of this self-referential void, while the Great Darkness only became defined with the emergence of its contrast (the Source).
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It is very likely the Overvoid yeah.
 
GoldenVortex94 said:
I think yes, I mean, it's regular DC continuity (post crisis) aka "crisis cosmology"
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Okay, thank you. So to summarize :

Creator / Unknowable / Supreme One – God's full "nature" and in His pre-conscious state, before self-awareness.

Overvoid – The cosmic mind of God, encompassing all potential; the Multiverse is a distraction within it. It is boundless, timeless, and self-referential.

Source – The unmanifest manifestation of God’s self-awareness. Emerged within the self-referential Overvoid after God becomes self-aware, actualizing His creative power and infinite light.

Presence – A personal and manifest manifestation of the Source, capable of interacting with creation directly.
 
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Elizio33 said:
Okay, thank you. So to summarize :

Creator / Unknowable / Supreme One – God's full "nature" and in His pre-conscious state, before self-awareness.

Overvoid – The cosmic mind of God, encompassing all potential; the Multiverse is a distraction within it. It is boundless, timeless, and self-referential.

Source – The unmanifest manifestation of God’s self-awareness. Emerged within the self-referential Overvoid after God becomes self-aware, actualizing His creative power and infinite light.

Presence – A personal and manifest manifestation of the Source, capable of interacting with creation directly.
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Even though it fits within the general continuity, I’m not sure how that mention of a “pre-conscious state” would work in tier 0. Because it would mean God went through a process of events, instead of always being immutable... more like evolutionary pantheism, where God develops alongside the universe. In that kind of view, you’re not really taking away his power in the modern sense, but you are stepping away from the classical idea of omnipotence. which would clash with other countless references of god being absolute, eternal, and immutable.. etc

It can be used as a reference, but it shouldn’t be taken as a decisive source of information about God attributes.

(Of course, that’s only if you plan on keeping the presence as a tier 0 being)
 
Ozcantabak said:
Is there a reason why Post-Crisis or Rebirth Supes doesn't scale to Superboy Prime's lifting strenght ?
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They should, at the very least, scale to Pre-Crisis Supes who shares scaling with Golden Age
But yeah, DC Speed + Lifting Strength needs to be addressed too, all that's been handled is their AP/Dura.
 
So Prime gets absolved with the new DC history book saying that the reason he went psycho evil is because he was affected by his own retcon punch.
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Ozcantabak said:
Still not finished but made this for Absolute Superman's stats/abilities, any feedback ?
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I suppose that it is probably fine, but shouldn't you use "At least ... likely far higher" for the statistics, given how little we have seen of this Superman's peaks as of yet? 🙏
 
So Batman can get shot in the head by a shotgun and survive but Tim's suit can't even fully block a regular pistol? The hell?
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AthelChan said:
made out of actual fabric is crazy
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Well Tim says that his armor took most of the impact. Still, what kind of armor is he wearing that a regular pistol round still draws blood? Maybe Batman should share his “take a shotgun blast to the head” tier armor.
 
I have a hot take.


You know the name Superboy eventually takes in the Smallville comics, Scion? Earth-0 Conner should take it up. He's TWENTY now
 
Was curious on how you guys would address this argument
"The nature of the speed force itself being what dictates speed, meaning whatever’s below it is still subject to distance / time. This means the realms below it would still be spatiotemporal and thus be disqualified from being outer"
 
HenshinIntervention said:
Was curious on how you guys would address this argument
"The nature of the speed force itself being what dictates speed, meaning whatever’s below it is still subject to distance / time. This means the realms below it would still be spatiotemporal and thus be disqualified from being outer"
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The speed force is the concept of movement, with space and time and distance only being aspects of movement, not the overall origin of speed.

We even see people who aren't part of the Speed Force manipulate speed and time, such as Still Force users and chrono manipulators. So no.
 
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