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Varies. The true extent (form) of the Phantom Zone should be 1-A due to exist in the sphere of the gods, but its avatar or reduced form so to speak, which is the one that characters generally access, is 2-C/2-A in my vision
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Waid retconned Aethyr from the mind that dreamt up the Phantom Zone to just another scientist that came upon the prisoners there and wanted to “save” them by making the Zone material instead of incorporeal. Although Mon-El says that the other people Clark knew as Aethyr were facets of that one guy, so who knows.
(P.S. that arc sucked. Waid waited 20 years to get onto a mainline Superman book and when he finally got the chance to write a multi-issue story he wrote a stinker. The retcons were horrible too.)
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I see. So he no longer scales to the full Zone but was strong enough to warp its laws to create matter, change the environment and turn ghosts solid.
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All of this is bullshit to me but you do you bro
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All of this is also bullshit to me but you do you, run a campaign of downgrading literally everyone who isn't a God to Tier 5
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no one's "running a campaign", if you have arguments feel free to present them but the stories simply don't reflect your beliefs on this.
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I see no reason to present on argument here, neither of us will change our minds, I think what you're saying is stupid, they don't MAX at planet or star level they are CONSISTENTLY Star Level, this website separates between Max and Consitent
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DC high tiers like Superman, Diana.. etc maxing at 5-B is just wrong.
They have plenty of feats above that
They have plenty of feats above that
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Not really
The writers normally, well, write lol, their character around Tier 5, and when they get amped or they go at their maximum output of strength, they reach Low Tier tier 4.
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I've already said I'm fine with tier 4, even 4-A, scaling and that my contention is largely the tier 2 and above arguments for them, so if your only issue is 5-B rating then why are you coming at me for?
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Literally,
Tho I am a firm believer that Marvel’s herald tiers have better and more consistent showings of Tier 2 and above.
The skepticism is definitely coming from a place of “Outer Superman” haters.
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If Superman wins the DC KO event and WE STILL get "Superman can't fight" takes, I give up. I'm done. I retire
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When he wins through piledriving a Darkseid who is explicitly stated to be the most powerful he’s ever been this website will still just say that modern DC doesn’t actually intend for him to be that powerful and it’s all outliers anyway
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Aethyr was more so the mind which the Phantom Zone existed in. He was its dreamer in a way, and the Phantom Zone was the upper limit of his minds ability to abstract. You could honestly argue that he was superior to the Phantom Zone in some way.
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They'll say it's 5-B at max
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Once again that's consistently not a Max
you're ignoring the fact that they have those feats at ALL once again this site seperates from consistency and Max
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bro is a Massively LIAR
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Eh, no? As easy as grabbing a comic, a run, a volume or even an entire year of issues, and you'll see my point.
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No, we wont, but we would likely give him a variable tier due to severe inconsistencies.
The single issue that you are likely referring to is that he was explicitly double-powered-up at the time he struck the World Forger, primarily by Mister Mxyzptlk vastly elevating his level of existence, and secondarily by the many sun-dips.
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Batman VS Spider-Man (Mainline Comic Versions)
One of the most iconic matchups in all of comics and I couldn't find a thread on site using their current comic profiles, so let's fix that. SBA: There will be no prep time, standard equipment / arsenal only, both starting 10 meters apart, location: Central Park, time: night Spider-Man (Marvel...
Batgod fans win him a W
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not just regular suns, either, but 6th dimensional suns given they upscale from the level of existence of the replica multiverse World Forger had created. Superman even says that he's faster and stronger than ever beforeNo, we wont, but we would likely give him a variable tier due to severe inconsistencies.
The single issue that you are referring to is that he was explicitly double-powered-up at the time he struck the World Forger, primarily by Mister Mxyzptlk vastly elevating his level of existence, and secondarily by the many sun-dips.
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Dude, that's not what we're saying.Once again that's consistently not a Max
All of those feats people love to bring out are just "he fought against this character, who in a older than the person himself issue fought against this other older than the person himself character." Is always that, scaling chains after scaling chains, ignoring the consistency in the run itself.
And even then, the characters are more consistently written with their power levels peaking at "I can't move this planet" or being unable to destroy it by themselves. Like, There are so many occasions in a single run of them having ofoblems with Tier 5 stuff, than the amount of "Superman is Multiversal" in his entire continuity.
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During Death Metal there's actually a scene were they need to destroy Earth, and Swamp Thing and Abby (rot) were trying to pull the planet apart as much as possible to destabilise it, several lanterns on various emotional spectrums (including Sinestro) shot at the planet with all their power, Black Adam channelled all his power at the planet, and an anti-life equation absorbed Superman, Bizarro, and Metallo all rammed into the planet at top speed.
This was the aftermath
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fixed it
Re5yh
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still dead
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And Superboy Prime, don't forget about him lol.
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Ok, I hope variable tier for "various inconsistencies" as well for marvel profilesNo, we wont, but we would likely give him a variable tier due to severe inconsistencies.
The single issue that you are likely referring to is that he was explicitly double-powered-up at the time he struck the World Forger, primarily by Mister Mxyzptlk vastly elevating his level of existence, and secondarily by the many sun-dips.
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Of course they should have it! We aren't saying only DC should be treated like that, the only reason why I personally being so hard on DC is because I know more about it, If I had the same knowledge as in DC for Marvel, I would be been saying the same in that CRT.
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Marvel stories suck, DC is cool, therefore only DC gets downgrades because no one wants to read Marvel. You hate to see it
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No they didnt need to destroy the earth they needed to destabilize it, which they did.During Death Metal there's actually a scene were they need to destroy Earth, and Swamp Thing and Abby (rot) were trying to pull the planet apart as much as possible to destabilise it, several lanterns on various emotional spectrums (including Sinestro) shot at the planet with all their power, Black Adam channelled all his power at the planet, and an anti-life equation absorbed Superman, Bizarro, and Metallo all rammed into the planet at top speed.
This was the aftermath
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I disagree there.
I love both Marvel and DC, but DC happens to have more character I enjoy, while Marvel has a handful of them imo.
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My favorite character is the Divine Creator
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I think DC has better writing and slightly better heroes, while Marvel has better lore and slightly better villains.
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I’m not referring to that FWIW.No, we wont, but we would likely give him a variable tier due to severe inconsistencies.
The single issue that you are likely referring to is that he was explicitly double-powered-up at the time he struck the World Forger, primarily by Mister Mxyzptlk vastly elevating his level of existence, and secondarily by the many sun-dips.
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They say 'destroy', but even assuming what they meant is just surface wipe the planet then you're still left with the question of why they needed basically every heavy hitter all going at max power to do this (why couldn't Superman do it by himself?), and you're also left wondering how all these heavy hitters can throw all of their might at a planet and it barely affect its surface.
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I'm sure that's even worse
