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Gear 5 Luffy vs Otsutsuki Kaguya
- Thread starter Thicc18
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Godernet
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Kaguya has at least 4x the durability of Luffy's normal attacks(outside of Bajrang Gun), superior hax via TSO and All-Killing Ash Bones, regen greater than Haki can negate, BFR options, attacks that can span across an entire planet, greater stamina, analytical prediction + some additional sensory stuff, and some of the greatest Genjutsu in the series.
Luffy has Dura neg punches, energy barriers via Adv Buso, Laughter-based empowerment, his rubbery physiology, a L5B finisher Punch, vastly superior LS, and Precog + some additional sensory stuff.
Kaguya Wincons
- Land a hit with TSO or a Mini ETSO
- Land a hit with All-Killing Ash Bone
- Land Genjutsu
- Land enough attacks with superior AP to take out Luffy(unlikely with physical attacks.)
- Large AOE
- Outlast Luffy (more chakra than anyone in Shippuden including people like Naruto, 3rd Raikage Ay, and Hashirama who can fight for days if needed.)
Luffy Wincons
- Land Bajrang Gun
- Hold her in place for 24 hours with Superior LS.
Kaguya kinda has ways around both of Luffy's wincons either by:
- Making TSO and just having it tag Luffy's Bajrang Gun while he's trying to land the full decompressed version by either putting one in front of him while he tries to hit her, making a big one in the path of Luffy's swing, or making an omnidirectional shield around herself, whichever way she does it she would be able to protect herself and erase Luffy in the process. (even if you argue Luffy uses Kenbun during the Bajrang Gun, and that Kenbun would show him being erased on contact, knowing what she would do still means he won't be able to use his strongest and most reliable Wincon for fear of being erased by TSOs.)
- Using TSO or Ash Bones while Luffy gets close and tries to strangle her. Either move would be a one-shot if it hits.
Meanwhile, Luffy has no way around Kaguya's GJ or her two one-shot abilities if Luffy does try to leverage his LS to get close and try and grab her.
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not reading allat
kaguya fra
kaguya fra
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Kaguya FRA
Fezzih_007
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Kaguya Fra
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Kaguya has never once used a genjutsu in combat.
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Apollonir.Scale
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It can't be added if its restricted. Close this.
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yes it can
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You can't restrict abilities to my knowledge.yes it can
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You can restrict something if it has a possibly rating
Idk abt the likely rating tho
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Okay then, that will have to be restricted.
Luffy can negate her durability and deal severe damage to organs.
Neither are likely to tag Luffy thanks to future sight, greater speed, and body control. Luffy with just his normal body can deal with danmaku so TSO and Bones aren't tagging him. For the All-Killing Ash Bones he can transmutate them into rubber meaning they won't pierce him.
If that isn't restricted then its a stomp. If we assume its high mid it can be negated.
That's fair.
Neither are attack moves. Even if they were Luffy can withstand her attacks without severe damage since her A.P is much lower than her durability.
Which Luffy also has. On top of precognition and straight up future sight.
All of which Luffy has to a similar if not greater extent on top of instinctive reactions, greater body control, and mind reading
Kaguya has never been shown casting genjutsu in combat and Luffy also resists it to a higher extent than her potency but I won't get into that.
What is a mini ETSO?
Normal punches or kicks won't do anything at all.
This is pretty easy to get around by just finishing her before he runs out.
Luffy doesn't need to touch them to get to her.
Unlikely as I explained.
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Haki counters BFR.
Serlock_Holmes
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Kaguya FRA.
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At least add a win con instead of just defending
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Rubbah
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A wincon is already in the op. Bajrang Gun, and also blowing her organs up assuming high regen is restricted.
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Bajrang gun is like a death wish. That's just luffy serving his big ass hand on a platter to be erased. And blowing her organs up do nothing. She'd just regen back. Actually luffy would just be absorbed immediately he comes in contact with her tbh
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He doesn't need to touch her to land blows or blow up organs, and he also negates regen on Kaguya's level.
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Sorry is there a mistake on luffy profile? I don't see regen Negation.
And where did luffy land blows without touching the person?
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shes used it to enslave the world in her fight with Hagaromo
not to mention 3/4 of the people she fought are immune to her GJ
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You know
I never actually got the logic behind this..
So can you or someone else explain how Haki resisting a 3-D BFR from Law spanning Kilometers can allow Haki users to resist a 4-D BFR from Kaguya spanning inter dimensional range dimensions or is there smth Im missing?
Pretty sure a 3-D BFR resistance would be useless against a 4-D and beyond BFR potency and range
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wtf
kaguya doesn't have 4D bfr
kaguya doesn't have 4D bfr
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I have seen the regen Negation in the haki section. Isn't it for externally accelerated natural regen? I don't think kaguya is the case here, kaguya regen isn't natural
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Her Dimensional Hopping is at Interdimensional range on her profile
You know, the thing above Universal+ range?
Which is you know 4-D?
Again if I’m mistaken then lemme know
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Interdimensional range is not 4-D.
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Then what is it?
What’s the range for it?
3-D
Seems weird considering how it’s ranked on the ranged page and described
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That works
Definitely more impressive than a couple kilometers
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It's 3-D. Sometimes it can be 4-D or higher but that's certainly not the case for Kaguya.
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Just want to clarify the blatant misconception going on about kaguya bfr. She moves the world you are in and not you yourself. Luffy is not resisting shit coz she is not using the ability on luffy . It's the world she moves . So she is winning via bfr
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Well
Godernet
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doesnt matter cause of her regen and immortality
even if you argue Luffy isn't getting tagged in a vacuum, if Kaguya decides to just start flooding a TSO with chakra until its too big to be dodged
he cant touch AKAB anyway to transmute it.
it kinda is a stomp
the planet range stuff isn't what I described above, i figured they were unnecessary to talk about but Kaguya had shown she can fuse with her dimension's environments giving control of everything in those dimensions(which are planet-sized)
I'm aware but Precog wont really help Luffy win just hold out and he still gets out stamina in the end
he doesn't as we've gone over in a lot of threads now Luffy nor anyone in OP have enough layers to get through Six Path GJ.
Her just flooding a TSO with chakra but not necessarily letting it reach ETSO sizes.
that's basically what i said but her normal attacks arent limited only to physical strikes.
the problem is he has no way of actually finishing her off.
he does if she just sticks a big TSO in front of Luffy or makes an omnidirectional shield around herself out of one.
it's more likely in the case where he tries to hold her down for 24 hrs(which is an incap wincon) because all she'd have to do is poke him with one or the other.
even if you think he avoids her attempts at killing him from close range or when he's using Bajrang Gun, Luffy doesn't have any wincons outside of those so he just runs out of G5 and loses anyways.
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Just noticed speed is isn't equalized. Who's the faster of the two?
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Luffy is
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Base Kagura is faster than SPSM KCM Nard who is 2c., IT Kaguya is exponentially faster than that according to Zetsu and higher with reactions(via Byakugan and Rinne-Sharingan)
Luffy is either 5c or 8c, and higher with reactions(via Kenbun) and Gears.
