Gabimaru vs Momo Ayase

[Second22]

Rules

• Speed =
• Both 9-A
• SBA

Momo Ayase:

Gabimaru: azontr

Hope this won't turn into a stomp.

 

[azontr]

Assuming this is Post-Tao Gabimaru, conceptual soul attacks go brrrrr.

 

[Second22]

Assuming this is Post-Tao Gabimaru, conceptual soul attacks go brrrrr.

How can he penetrate Momo's Forcefield Creation? I'm still not sure what you mean by conceptual soul attacks. Could you explain further? From what I understand, Gabimaru doesn't have the ability to control Tao like the Tensei, he can only control his own Tao. Moreover, this matter must also involve the conditions of winning or losing with all five elements. I'm not sure how this would apply to other fictional works.

 

[azontr]

How can he penetrate Momo's Forcefield Creation? I'm still not sure what you mean by conceptual soul attacks. Could you explain further? From what I understand, Gabimaru doesn't have the ability to control Tao like the Tensei, he can only control his own Tao. Moreover, this matter must also involve the conditions of winning or losing with all five elements. I'm not sure how this would apply to other fictional works.

...It's literally on the Tao page, which you read and reviewed. Tao attacks do conceptual and soul damage.

 

[Second22]

...It's literally on the Tao page, which you read and reviewed. Tao attacks do conceptual and soul damage.

I know that, but scanning mostly belongs to Tensei, and the effectiveness of using Tao also depends on whether the opposing side's Tao is weak against the elemental aspect. How can we know what elemental aspect the opposing side's Tao belongs to? This is not from the same manga series.

And Hax isn't the only factor that led to Gabimaru's victory. Momo has higher AP, LS, and range than Gabimaru. How could Gabimaru pierce through Momo's barrier and destroy her soul?

 

[azontr]

I know that, but scanning mostly belongs to Tensei, and the effectiveness of using Tao also depends on whether the opposing side's Tao is weak against the elemental aspect. How can we know what elemental aspect the opposing side's Tao belongs to? This is not from the same manga series.

That's not how it works. If your opponent has very little to no mastery over Tao, elemental attributes are irrelevant because you can simply strike at their soul like Shion does to Soshin.

And Hax isn't the only factor that led to Gabimaru's victory. Momo has higher AP, LS, and range than Gabimaru. How could Gabimaru pierce through Momo's barrier and destroy her soul?

Tao attacks reverberate. The shockwaves would simply pass through the barrier.

 

[First_Witch]

That's not how it works. If your opponent has very little to no mastery over Tao, elemental attributes are irrelevant because you can simply strike at their soul like Shion does to Soshin.

You should add that image to the Tao page, its so blatant its not even funny

 

[Second22]

That's not how it works. If your opponent has very little to no mastery over Tao, elemental attributes are irrelevant because you can simply strike at their soul like Shion does to Soshin.

Can you find the scans? I don't think Shion necessarily needs to use Tao to kill them easily. His sword can clash with Tensen-level opponents without needing to use Tao.

Tao attacks reverberate. The shockwaves would simply pass through the barrier.

I have never seen Gabimaru use a long-range shockwave from Tao, and it is also not mentioned in his profile.

 

[azontr]

Can you find the scans? I don't think Shion necessarily needs to use Tao to kill them easily. His sword can clash with Tensen-level opponents without needing to use Tao.

Here.

I have never seen Gabimaru use a long-range shockwave from Tao, and it is also not mentioned in his profile.

He has Mid-High mastery over Tao. Basic Proficiency with Tao allows you to coat yourself with Tao and use it as a weapon. Gabimaru can do it if he wants to.

You should add that image to the Tao page, its so blatant its not even funny

I will now.

 

[First_Witch]

Can you find the scans? I don't think Shion necessarily needs to use Tao to kill them easily. His sword can clash with Tensen-level opponents without needing to use Tao.

Lol, ninja'd. Gabimaru'd

 

[azontr]

Gabimaru'd

Ew.

 

[azontr]

Lol, ninja'd. Gabimaru'd

BTW, you remember what chapter this is? So I can add the reference.

 

[First_Witch]

BTW, you remember what chapter this is? So I can add the reference.

41 iirc

 

[azontr]

Added the scan. Should be a lot more obvious now.

 

[Arkenis]

Momo has higher range, and her LS is greater with psychokinesis so how exactly does Gabi counter this?

 

[Second22]

He has Mid-High mastery over Tao. Basic Proficiency with Tao allows you to coat yourself with Tao and use it as a weapon. Gabimaru can do it if he wants to.

Yea, maybe. But Generally, he has never done that before, and it is not in line with his character traits. Plus, we still don't know the extent to which he can create shockwaves from Tao. I still think Momo has an advantage in terms of range.

 

[azontr]

Momo has higher range, and her LS is greater with psychokinesis so how exactly does Gabi counter this?

Her LS being greater doesn't seem to be the most relevant against Gabimaru. He generally likes to end fights quickly- So, given his stealth mastery, he could simply disappear from sight the moment the fight starts and slit her throat from behind.

Yea, maybe. But Generally, he has never done that before, and it is not in line with his character traits.

He's utilized Tao to negate durability before, so, no, that is incorrect. And how is it not in line with his character traits? It's 1000% in character for Gabimaru to utilize techniques that ignore conventional defenses, especially if he sees his opponent has erected a literal barrier.

And even if we operate under the assumption he will not, say, hypothetically do this: He can still utilize his Tao to unravel the energy that comprises the barrier itself, effectively negating it.

Plus, we still don't know the extent to which he can create shockwaves from Tao.

Yes, we do??? Please don't act like you haven't read the Tao page.

I still think Momo has an advantage in terms of range.

I never said she did not.

 

[Arkenis]

Her LS being greater doesn't seem to be the most relevant against Gabimaru. He generally likes to end fights quickly- So, given his stealth mastery, he could simply disappear from sight the moment the fight starts and slit her throat from behind.

If she just starts with psychokinesis then it does matter. And Gabi's stealth mastery doesnt seem that good from the description.

 

[azontr]

If she just starts with psychokinesis then it does matter.

It does matter if she literally can't see her opponent.

And Gabi's stealth mastery doesnt seem that good from the description.

Then you either have poor comprehension, or didn't actually take the time to click on the scan: Wherein Gabimaru literally cannot be seen by people standing directly in front of him until he makes his presence known.

 

[Arkenis]

Then you either have poor comprehension, or didn't actually take the time to click on the scan: Wherein Gabimaru literally cannot be seen by people standing directly in front of him until he makes his presence known.

I did read, that doesnt seem impressive when she can sense auras.

 

[azontr]

I did read, that doesnt seem impressive when she can sense auras.

Gabimaru can suppress his aura to the point people who can sense aura cannot sense his aura.

 

[Arkenis]

Gabimaru can suppress his aura to the point people who can sense aura cannot sense his aura.

Shouldn't that be mentioned?

 

[azontr]

Shouldn't that be mentioned?

Its in the Tao page- Proficient users of Tao can inherently suppress their aura.

 

[Second22]

Yes, we do??? Please don't act like you haven't read the Tao page.

No, we never. In that scan, it wasn't Gabimaru. I've also never seen him use Tao with a shockwave range high enough to reach Momo.

He's utilized Tao to negate durability before, so, no, that is incorrect. And how is it not in line with his character traits? It's 1000% in character for Gabimaru to utilize techniques that ignore conventional defenses, especially if he sees his opponent has erected a literal barrier.

And even if we operate under the assumption he will not, say, hypothetically do this: He can still utilize his Tao to unravel the energy that comprises the barrier itself, effectively negating it.

I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to the creation of shockwaves with a long range. Normally, I only see him skilled in using Tao, but not in that aspect. He is adept at sensing Tao, reducing Tao levels, and reflecting Tao, but not at creating shockwaves with Tao. In the end, we've never seen him use it. So, generally speaking, can he create shockwaves with Tao that have a long range like other characters?

It does matter if she literally can't see her opponent.

Momo is in the midst of fighting while Gabimaru has to increase his Tao level in order to attack her with Tao. With Momo, she is also able to perceive various auras around her. As soon as Gabimaru increases his Tao level, Momo will instantly be able to sense it.

 

[Arkenis]

Its in the Tao page- Proficient users of Tao can inherently suppress their aura.

Nah in the stealth mastery part of Gabi. Should be mentioned the crowd can sense to that level.

 

[azontr]

Nah in the stealth mastery part of Gabi. Should be mentioned the crowd can sense to that level.

The crowd can't sense to that level. I'm referring to a separate set of characters.

No, we never. In that scan, it wasn't Gabimaru. I've also never seen him use Tao with a shockwave range high enough to reach Momo

It doesn't HAVE to be Gabimaru because the page is meant to be GENERAL abilities for Tao. I'm surprised you don't know that.

I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to the creation of shockwaves with a long range. Normally, I only see him skilled in using Tao, but not in that aspect. He is adept at sensing Tao, reducing Tao levels, and reflecting Tao, but not at creating shockwaves with Tao. In the end, we've never seen him use it. So, generally speaking, can he create shockwaves with Tao that have a long range like other characters?

Again, let's assume he cannot do shockwaves at a long range, as you say. He can, again, simply unravel the barrier at close-range, or release close-range shockwaves to reverberate through the barrier. He doesn't need to be far away.

Momo is in the midst of fighting while Gabimaru has to increase his Tao level in order to attack her with Tao. With Momo, she is also able to perceive various auras around her. As soon as Gabimaru increases his Tao level, Momo will instantly be able to sense it.

By the time Gabimaru is preparing an attack it'll be to late to act.

And, even assuming the contrary, Gabimaru can simply not infuse his attacks with Tao. He can just use normal physical skills.

 

[Second22]

It doesn't HAVE to be Gabimaru because the page is meant to be GENERAL abilities for Tao. I'm surprised you don't know that.

It can always be rectified. Just follow exactly what I haven't thoroughly read, and what I've typed is what I'm thinking right now. I still strongly disagree that he can normally do it that way expertly.

Again, let's assume he cannot do shockwaves at a long range, as you say. He can, again, simply unravel the barrier at close-range, or release close-range shockwaves to reverberate through the barrier. He doesn't need to be far away.

I simply don't agree with the idea that he can create shockwaves from Tao beyond 10 meters, like Tensen does. However, when it comes to the issue of low-range barriers, I can somewhat understand. I've been trying to find out the range of her barrier, but I haven't found it yet or maybe I remember it wrong because what I recall is 5 meters. So, we don't have to worry about this matter. Now, I will decide whether Gabimaru can penetrate her barrier with Tao and reach her. until I find scans

By the time Gabimaru is preparing an attack it'll be to late to act.

It depends on whether Momo can push Gabimaru with her psychic power in time. If you decide that she can't do it in time, then I'll decide that she can do it as well. There's nothing too far-fetched about it. If Momo becomes aware of him while he's attacking, then she can.

And, even assuming the contrary, Gabimaru can simply not infuse his attacks with Tao. He can just use normal physical skills.

His physical skills cannot penetrate a barrier with Dura more than 8 times. As soon as Momo catches him, he will be crushed by LS class 25.

 

[azontr]

It can always be rectified. Just follow exactly what I haven't thoroughly read, and what I've typed is what I'm thinking right now. I still strongly disagree that he can normally do it that way expertly.

You literally agreed with the Tao page in the thread. You don't get to change your mind now.

I simply don't agree with the idea that he can create shockwaves from Tao beyond 10 meters, like Tensen does. However, when it comes to the issue of low-range barriers, I can somewhat understand. I've been trying to find out the range of her barrier, but I haven't found it yet or maybe I remember it wrong because what I recall is 5 meters. So, we don't have to worry about this matter. Now, I will decide whether Gabimaru can penetrate her barrier with Tao and reach her. until I find scans

You don't get to "decide" anything? You have to prove that Gabimaru is incapable of doing the things you say he can't do. Gabimaru just unravels her barrier the moment he comes into contact with it.

It depends on whether Momo can repel Gabimaru with her psychic power in time. If you decide that she can't do it in time, then I'll decide that she can do it as well. There's nothing too far-fetched about it. If Momo becomes aware of him while he's attacking, then she can.

Gabimaru has both keen instincts and analytical prediction. He will always be a step ahead of her, and thus a step ahead of what she can do with her powers.

His physical skills cannot penetrate a barrier with Dura more than 8 times. As soon as Momo catches him, he will be crushed by LS class 25.

She won't catch him.

 

[First_Witch]

Isnt Momos TK telegraphed? Like she uses invisible psychic hands to grab stuff?

 

[azontr]

If it is, that makes things a lot easier- Gabi can straight up just dodge the hands.

 

[Second22]

The crowd can't sense to that level. I'm referring to a separate set of characters.

In the Tao page, range is not specified.

You don't get to "decide" anything? You have to prove that Gabimaru is incapable of doing the things you say he can't do. Gabimaru just unravels her barrier the moment he comes into contact with it.

He can't generate shockwaves over 10 meters. If he can then you should CRT about this and edit his profile. Tao Page didn't explain this. So, you cannot say I agree with that.

Gabimaru has both keen instincts and analytical prediction. He will always be a step ahead of her, and thus a step ahead of what she can do with her powers.

That maybe true, due to equal speed adjustment So I forgot to think about it.

So for now I'm leaning to vote for Gabimaru, but I'll wait for Other Dandadan Suppoter's further input.

 

[azontr]

In the Tao page, range is not specified.

Wh-What does this have to do with the message you quoted?

He can't generate shockwaves over 10 meters. If he can then you should CRT about this and edit his profile. Tao Page didn't explain this. So, you cannot say I agree with that.

He literally has "Several meters" with Ninjutsu techniques on his profile, which include Tao.

Also, are you conceding that Gabimaru can simply unravel her barriers with Tao? You did not address this.

 

[Second22]

Wh-What does this have to do with the message you quoted?

I quoted the wrong message I'm actually going to reply to this.

You literally agreed with the Tao page in the thread. You don't get to change your mind now.

He literally has "Several meters" with Ninjutsu techniques on his profile, which include Tao.

Nah, I don't think Ninjutsu techniques are related to Tao.

Also, are you conceding that Gabimaru can simply unravel her barriers with Tao? You did not address this.

I already accept that.

Now, I will decide whether Gabimaru can penetrate her barrier with Tao and reach her. until I find scans

Apologize for any messages that you may not understand due to English not being my primary language. However, I have accepted this fact for a while ago

 

[azontr]

Nah, I don't think Ninjutsu techniques are related to Tao.

Ninjutsu and Tao are explicitly related.

 

[Second22]

Ninjutsu and Tao are explicitly related.

That has nothing to do with the range of Tao. Gabimaru can use Thunder Stones to kick rocks away, possibly up to 20 meters. However, that doesn't mean he can shoot shockwaves from Tao that can reach beyond 20 meters as well. In the scan, it's just an understanding between Tao and the Ninjutsu techniques because they have similarities.

 

[azontr]

Gabimaru can use Thunder Stones to kick rocks away, possibly up to 20 meters. However, that doesn't mean he can shoot shockwaves from Tao that can reach beyond 20 meters as well.

It kinda does? Ninjutsu techniques stem from an unconscious use of Tao. Automatically, if you can master Tao, you can utilize it with more effectiveness than Ninjutsu, which has this range.

 

[Second22]

It kinda does? Ninjutsu techniques stem from an unconscious use of Tao. Automatically, if you can master Tao, you can utilize it with more effectiveness than Ninjutsu, which has this range.

And that still wasn't about Tao's range. TBH, I still don't understand well what you're explaining, How is it related to range?

 

[azontr]

My explanation is literally as direct as I can feasibly be idk how else to explain it.

 

[Second22]

My explanation is literally as direct as I can feasibly be idk how else to explain it.

Nah, Both of them are fundamentally different in terms of physical. Just because do something has a range of up to 20m doesn't mean can do something else at exactly 20m. Even if there is a similar understanding, the point is that Ninjutsu techniques are not related to Tao. You can't count them together. Shija have Ninjutsu techniques, but she doesn't have Tao techniques.

 

[Second22]

She or He, IDK btw.