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LBD in host form took a full powered kick from Enraged Wukong so I suppose yesHer Durability is comparable to her AP?
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LBD in host form took a full powered kick from Enraged Wukong so I suppose yesHer Durability is comparable to her AP?
Downscales, (she specifically utilizes her powers to injure Wukong, and it’s made very clear she’s a glass cannon relative to others as she was incredibly damaged by Wukong from a handful of blows despite being able to harm him with her attacks), but yeah, she does. She’s similar to a Dragon Ball character in that way.Her Durability is comparable to her AP?
Lifting Strength: Unknown
We live in a society.Lifting Strength: Unknown | Unknown
they both need sum calcs frWe live in a society.
The issue is that Dragon Ball lifting strength is silly. For example, Goku can barely wear 250 pounds, or some such, but he can deadlift a presumably multi-ton car. Goku can lift dense planet carving energy blasts, but he’ll struggle with 40 tons. He’ll be able to wear 20 times his body weight, but 10x gravity is a bit too much for him to even walk in during the Saiyan Saga. So on and so forth.What's crazy is that Zamasu was holding Goku down with one arm. So Zamasu should be above whatever Lifting Strength Goku has, but within the same Class.
That would work…except Magetta. Vegeta actively uses his Ki and cannot lift 1000 tons. It’s genuinely just a matter of writers cannot math. Also, it wouldn’t change how wildly increased the lifting would be compared to the canon information (due to multipliers.)I've heard these arguments before. The explanation basically goes like this: KI enhances everything. Goku struggles with stuff because he's not using Ki, but when he's using Ki, he doesn't struggle.
That's only in the mangaThat would work…except Magetta. Vegeta actively uses his Ki and cannot lift 1000 tons. It’s genuinely just a matter of writers cannot math. Also, it wouldn’t change how wildly increased the lifting would be compared to the canon information (due to multipliers.)
Also huh who are you voting for?That's only in the manga
Still decidingAlso huh who are you voting for?
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I heard same stuff is with breathing in space but idkThe issue is that Dragon Ball lifting strength is silly. For example, Goku can barely wear 250 pounds, or some such, but he can deadlift a presumably multi-ton car. Goku can lift dense planet carving energy blasts, but he’ll struggle with 40 tons. He’ll be able to wear 20 times his body weight, but 10x gravity is a bit too much for him to even walk in during the Saiyan Saga. So on and so forth.
So scaling lifting strength in it is pretty much impossible, really. At least sensibly.
This sums it up for mePretty sure the LBD is specifically stated to be using a percentage of her power constantly to keep those she mind + soul donuts in check/under her/taken into her powers. If its Zamasu’s semi-immortal body, she’d be able to affect him (he only massively scales off of 3 Uni), but once Zamasu casts it off he envelops the whole hypertimeline (putting him far beyond her level of power) and as such should be too much for her to attempt that on. Not to mention his Immortal Soul (what is left after he casts off his body) is an abstract, and I’m pretty sure we have no evidence her Soul Manip works on that.
Essentially, LBD could totally ensnare him early battle, but late game he becomes beyond that. (This also applies to her sealing of souls. His Soul is just something beyond what her sealing has shown the capacity to do).
Zamasu negates durability with his Sickle of Sorrow, so the state advantage she has isn’t really going to matter unless she lands a blow, and she can’t really get hit in with his really great and all encompassing Ki barriers, blast waves, clones, etc. While she could dispel the clones, they’re infinitely generating from his rift, and she can’t do anything about that (so she’d have to continually dispel them).
Since he has Goku’s powers, he should be able to sense her attacking his mind beforehand and could potentially stop her, but he has no direct counter to that.
Any damage she does won’t be effective due to his immortality so long as she doesn’t paste him on the molecular level (and she typically does play with her food, and I don’t think she can regardless).
Zamasu’s Ki senses, awareness, etc. should allow him to get around her illusions.
With Instant Transmission he can teleport at will, so BFR won’t work.
This means her main forms of attack are limited to playing on his fears, corrupting him, and, well, hitting him. Problem is, Zamasu’s mind could probably see her mental attacks coming (but could not defend against it directly) and he’s WAAAAY better at fighting than her. She literally almost entirely despite all her powers to Wukong due to just his fisticuffs, and only used her possession type power on him at last second (which means she wouldn’t start with it anyway).
He could also probably sidestep her mental attacks by simply time traveling (ceasing to exist so her mind attacks have no target and appearing in the future to attack her). Also, his omniscient vision and Ki Sensing mean her teleporting away doesn’t matter.
That said, without that scythe (or Infinite form) Zamasu can’t hurt her, making his primary forms of attack irrelevant, his defenses can be broken by just punching with all her force, and if he doesn’t end her quickly she’ll just possess him or attack his mind and leave him beaten if she catches his mind before he can react to his sensing. He can also actually probe her mind first, but he’s never used it in combat.
I think I’ll vote the Lady Bone Demon in a pitched battle, unless someone provides a more surefire means Zamasu can immediately access to defeat her, since unless he goes full Hypertimeline Sore Loser, she can beat him pretty quickly in ways that don’t trigger it (which destroying his body would do) so long as she fights more seriously than normal.
So you vote LBD too?This sums it up for me
yesSo you vote LBD too?
2-C, higher with Light of Justice
Does "higher" count as separate Tier?An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one[...]
At least 2-C, likely far higher, even higher with the Samadhi Fire
Zamasu is not evading her sight based Mind hax, and she can just spam Crystal + TP to create distance and make herself untouchable, and she could also just nullify his God Split Cut. I also don't see what's stopping her from creating a shield around herself to stop Zamazu's attack and pull out some shadows against Zamasu while being protected, or straight up give him sum of her power, which corrupts the victimVote's going to Zamasu. Zamasu starts with Durability Negating swords so any one good slice takes her out. Infinite Zamasu would not come out in the fight because it requires him to be obliterated past his Mid-High Regeneration. Zamasu, at one point or another, would hit Lady Bone Demon with his God Split Cut. Doesn't look like Lady Bone Demon has any answers to that besides dodging, even in her True Form can get hit because Zamasu can effect that too with Master Ki Manipulation.
Yes it technically does grant them higher into the tier, and even if we include them, Zamasu gets EE'd and its GGDoes "higher" count as separate Tier?
Edit: Samadhi Fire is just "even higher"
This makes it a Stomp match. If Zamasu can do absolutely nothing to counter, prevent, or otherwise avoid Lady Bone Demon's Mind Manipulation, which you have claimed she starts with, then Zamasu couldn't reach any of his win conditions, therefore Stomp. The match would theoretically look like this: Lady Bone Demon and Fusion Zamasu starts 4 Kilometers apart, Zamasu teleports to Lady Bone Demon (or vice versa), then Lady Bone Demon uses Mind Manipulation. Zamasu can do one solid hit on Lady Bone Demon before she uses her Mind Manipulation. Zamasu can't one shot, so it's useless. How is Zamasu feasibly supposed to win, when not only does Lady Bone Demon activate hax sh*tstomp as her first and second moves, but also his only win condition is cutting her with Durability negation. I know I've argued for Zamasu, but I was under the impression that his God Split Cut one shots Lady Bone Demon. If you are saying the equivalent of "Zamasu has no chance of ever hitting Lady Bone Demon," then what can he do? At best, Zamasu is able to dodge her Mind Manipulation before being slammed by Power Absorption (I don't think Zamasu can fathom or even understand this abilityZamasu is not evading her sight based Mind hax, and she can just spam Crystal + TP to create distance and make herself untouchable, and she could also just nullify his God Split Cut. I also don't see what's stopping her from creating a shield around herself to stop Zamazu's attack and pull out some shadows against Zamasu while being protected, or straight up give him sum of her power, which corrupts the victim
This argument says that Zamasu should be able to dodge her Mind Manipulation and magical tricks by using Ki Sensing, but if you are saying that Zamasu couldn't sense and dodge her Mind Manipulation and magical tricks, then it's a stomp. In any other case, I'd vote Lady Bone Demon because Zamasu would yap and throw his own win condition, and that's assuming that Zamasu holds the advantage over any aspect of battle and could even get to that point.Big Text
This makes it a Stomp match.
Well she can affect people at a distance from her so....ye?Sight-Based Mind Manipulation. I know the word "Sight-Based" literally means she can look at the opponent and activate it, but there is some nuances within Sight-Based abilities. Does it move a distance to the person she looks at?
If Zamasu notice, he's instanly affected. LDB would have to block his shots but eventually she will be able to reach him anywaysCan she activate it, Zamasu notices the activation, then he dodges it? When the Mind Manipulation and friends are in effect, I'm sure that Zamasu can still fight. Lady Bone Demon looks like she does stop the mental mind**** quintuple when she's talking to MK, and the "interacting through illusions" can be teleported out by Zamasu. Same thing with "taking control of the mind." If Zamasu isn't an idiot (which he won't be. I don't know why I said this) and doesn't try to face tank, he could just dodge it by teleporting.
That doesn't make it not a Stomp match. Her Mind Manipulation (which is a move you've said she starts with) isn't effected by Zamasu's Mid-High Regeneration. It doesn't matter that his body regenerates AP damage becuse 10 times out of 10 Lady Bone Demon starts with Mind Manipulation. The reason it's a Stomp match is because there's nothing Zamasu can do to win when Lady Bone Demon starts with Mind Hax. If I'm correct in the assumption that Lady Bone Demon's Mind Manipulation defeats Zamasu instantly as soon as it's used or has little time for Zamasu to reasonably do anything to win, it's a stomp. You yourself have said the Mind Manipulation is unavoidable, so I am trying to see if Zamasu could feasibly teleport out of the attacks that happen during her mental quintuple mind**** or at least be able to win within that time period. If he can't, it's a Stomp. It he can, it isn't a Stomp,Huh what?
Zamasu litterally has his Mid-High Regeneration to compensate for the AP gap, which would make him impossible to kill from getting his body obliderated, as well as Dura Negation which seems to be a one shot level hax. That makes Power Absorption, Corruption and Mind Hax her only options of wincoins and def not a Stomp Match
Okay. I'm going to assume that Zamasu can teleport out of the mental mind**** quintuple so they can scrap. In that case, I believe Zamasu's one shot Durability Negation could be more easily achieved than Lady Bone Demon's mental abilities incapacitating Zamasu.If Zamasu notice, he's instanly affected. LDB would have to block his shots but eventually she will be able to reach him anyways