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She could counter the laser issue with BFR too
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Darkseid (Post Flashpoint) vs Lady Bone Demon [0-2-1]
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wdym 'too'
darkseid can avoid BFR easily
darkseid is also a way more skilled fighter
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She can use mind hax to counter the beams too but that leads to incon
Via?
True
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dimensional travel, skill, his own BFR, portal creation
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thats what im sayin
it probably is incon
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LBD can use mind hax to control Darkseid's omega beams, redirect it back to Darkseid. It shows in the comics that when the Omega Beams hit darkseid, it wounded him greatly
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hell no
darkseid tanked his own omega beams
and she is NOT hurting darkseid when she only scales to like 2 universes
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Darkseid clearly stated himself that the Omega beams damaged him. Yes he can tank it but once is enough to hurt him a lothell no
darkseid tanked his own omega beams
and she is NOT hurting darkseid when she only scales to like 2 universes
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dude
darkseids omega beams came from his own AP/or Superman's AP which was frikin 52 universes
LBD is not hurting darkseid with an AP/Dura like that
she has to resort to hax
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Yes? That's literally my main argument. LBD using her mind hax to control darkseid, and just keep summoning more omega beams to direct it to himself
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darkseid wincons
LBD wincons
- better hax
- can literally one shot by flexing his muscles/scales to 52 universes
- way more skilled
- lifting strength advantage
- better durability
- better stamina
- smarter
- type 1 concept hax
LBD wincons
- better hax
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LBD is NOT redirecting omega beams to darkseid whose durability scales to 52 universes
LBD would need the force similar to Darkseid's AP to pull such a feat
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Why would you need AP to redirect Darkseid Omega Beams? Superman was able to redirect it to Darkseid by just simply flying
What's stopping LBD from doing the same? Not only that, she can mind control darkseid himself to manually control the beams
Mostly useless when LBD's hax counters most Darkseid wincons. Also, LBD was able to outsmart Sun Wukong who is definitely more skilled than Darkseid
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superman scales to 52 universes just like darkseid and actually has the lifting strength to redirect it unlike LBD
you need similar AP otherwise Darkseid is straight up not getting hurt by a force that only scales to 2 universes
she cant control the beams
she doesn't have the lifting strength or AP to do that
Darkseid is more skilled than the entire lego monkey king verse
Darkseid has billions of years of fighting experience
. He regularly draws chess matches against Eclipso, a cosmic entity and former embodiment of God's Wrath, and built a spaceship larger than the state of New York. Darkseid is responsible for some of the most advanced scientific breakthroughs in the DCU, creating technology capable of penetrating the Source, accessing the realm of Anti-Life, stealing part of the Anti-Life Entity's power, combining and manipulating fragments of the Anti-Life Equation, and turning Mars into a copy of Apokolips. His mind is also extremely adaptable, capable of comprehending the warped dimension of Olympus without any effort, while Superman was completely bewildered by it. The Pre-Flashpoint emanation of Darkseid even remembers events from erased timelines, likely due to his higher-dimensional nature)
Darkseid is more skilled than Orion who did this
(Even without his divinity to help him, Orion was able to build the Genesis Box, a device capable of destroying and remaking the universe without Darkseid's taint. As a god of battle, Orion has stated there is very little about war and weaponry he doesn't know, using his knowledge to easily outsmart an immortal with centuries of experience in manipulating and planning
Darkseid has supergenius intelligence while LBD only has extraordinary genius and wukong only has average intelligence
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Where does it show you need AP or lifting strength to redirect the Omega beams? Show me the comic issue, only thing there was to redirect was with outsmarting. You are talking about something that isn't backed up and contradicted by evidence
All the intelligent feats you mentioned are mostly useless, this is about battle IQ, strategy, EQ, PSI and ST Planning. Not FSIQ, Knowledge, Tech and etc
You forgot to mention that Wukong was fighting multiple enemies with each having different abilities in his long thousand years of battle experience which boosts his BIQ. Darkseid has the life experience but lack battle ones, as Darkseid is mostly sitting on the throne or lack the powerful foes to challenge him
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you need AP and lifting strength to redirect something that scales higher than you, that is literally the rules of this wiki
do you want me to make a question and answers thread about this?
wukong has thousands of years of battle experience
darkseid has billions of years of battle experience
i wonder who the more skilled person is
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So you are saying that even though LBD was mind controling Darkseid, she can't make Darkseid himself redirect his own omega beams?
He doesn't have that much battle experience. Even if he does, it's only against weak opponents or the opponents that have similar abilities. Having more experience doesn't mean you are more skilled
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she is not redirecting something that is like 50 universes stronger than her
LBD didn't start with mind control against wukong?? why would she against darkseid??
even if she is somehow able to redirect it, nothing would happen because of Darkseid's durability
weak opponents seriously? Darkseid is literally more skilled than orion who is infinitely stronger than LBD
Orion (DC Comics)
Orion, the Dog of War, is one of, if not the most powerful warriors of New Genesis, standing alongside Highfather and Darkseid as the strongest of the New Gods. From birth he was prophesied to kill Darkseid in final battle, and although they were both killed in the events preceding Final Crisis...
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You just kept repeating the same old claims, yet refused to acknowledge the things I mentioned like Wukong's resistance. Why would she needs higher AP to mind control darkseid, to command the omega beams? Not like Darkseid has any resistance to it at allshe is not redirecting something that is like 50 universes stronger than her
LBD didn't start with mind control against wukong?? why would she against darkseid??
even if she is somehow able to redirect it, nothing would happen because of Darkseid's durability
weak opponents seriously? Darkseid is literally more skilled than orion who is infinitely stronger than LBD
Orion (DC Comics)
Orion, the Dog of War, is one of, if not the most powerful warriors of New Genesis, standing alongside Highfather and Darkseid as the strongest of the New Gods. From birth he was prophesied to kill Darkseid in final battle, and although they were both killed in the events preceding Final Crisis...
Wdym nothing would happened? I already show you two comic scans multiple times that Darkseid does indeed get damaged greatly by his own omega beams, and that only with one. If multiple, Darkseid would be a goner
You are making irrelevant arguments now, strawmanning what I said. This is regarding their battle experience, tied to intelligence which crossverse power level has no influence in this one
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well yeah i kinda have to because you don't seem to understand AP and vs rules here
Wukong doesn't have resistance to it. we go off with what profiles say. if u want his resistance added, then make a CRT
Sun Wukong (Lego Monkie Kid)
Sun Wukong, also know as the Monkey King, is a legendary hero who waged war on the Celestial Court but was subdued, leading him to go on a journey westward with several other pilgrims. He later chose MK to be his successor, helping him in his training and following him into multiple adventures...
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this is a strawman
darkseid got damaged by his own omega beams because it scales to his AP, LBD doesn't, she is too weak
i did not strawman you here
you straight up just said, "it's only against weak opponents or the opponents that have similar abilities."
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Yeah I didn’t even know there was a CRT tbh, but now there is another 2-C feat from S5 so I guess it works out.
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who approved of the infinite speed rating tf???
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And where's your attack my claim? I don't see anywell yeah i kinda have to because you don't seem to understand AP and vs rules here
Wukong doesn't have resistance to it. we go off with what profiles say. if u want his resistance added, then make a CRT
Sun Wukong (Lego Monkie Kid)
Sun Wukong, also know as the Monkey King, is a legendary hero who waged war on the Celestial Court but was subdued, leading him to go on a journey westward with several other pilgrims. He later chose MK to be his successor, helping him in his training and following him into multiple adventures...
this is a strawman
darkseid got damaged by his own omega beams because it scales to his AP, LBD doesn't, she is too weak
i did not strawman you here
you straight up just said, "it's only against weak opponents or the opponents that have similar abilities."
We already gone through this at the first page of this thread, which you didn't bother responded to
Elaborate it
You are trying to make refutations to a non existent claim
I'm simply saying that from Darkseid's perpective. In Darkseid's perpective, all the enemies he fought are weak so he doesn't need to do much during the fight. Hence he was able to get outsmarted by Superman in a fight because Superman actually has better experience in fighting relative opponents despite being only 30+ year old
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because you're not listening to me duh???
i asked a staff member if LBD can redirect it and he said you need proof of LBD redirecting attacks to that scale which she doesn't have
@Lloydblitzed you agree LBD can't redirect Darkseid's omega beams because of the strength difference right?
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How am I not listening to you? I refuted you.
Why would LBD need AP to redirect Darkseid's beams when she can control Darkseid herself to do it? Are you saying in order to mind control someone, you need a comparable AP to them?
LBD controls Darkseid, Darkseid controls Omega Beams
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Since when did we need CRT for making profile below tier 1? (We never did)
It was already removed
His point is that she can mind control Omega and force him to hit himself with the beams.
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Considering it was a big upgrade from tier 4 to tier 2, yes there absolutely needed to be a CRT.
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Only MK needs an update, nobody else scale to the current feats posted on his profile either too except speed ones
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Even profile creations need CRTs, this has always been the standard.
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Was never a thing lmao
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i dont wanna be the nerd here
but it was a thing
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Yeah it is, so people can, y’know.
Verify that what you posted qualifies for the abilities and stats you claimed?
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isn't that proving his point????
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Im making a CRT atm anyways, but the rules themselves have nothing specifically against it
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Maybe it’s not a rule but it’s kind of the norm
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Welp I made a CRT about the verse. LDB is now scaling to 200+ Universes into 2-C so AP gap isn't a problem for her anymore (life manip still is tho)hell no
darkseid tanked his own omega beams
and she is NOT hurting darkseid when she only scales to like 2 universes
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now its a stomp
darkseid doesn't use his life manip as a starting move, he rarely starts with it anyway
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Isn't Life Manip and Conceptual Manipulation as well as Telepathy making up for the AP gap?
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