Fubuki vs Tamamo

[Schnee_One]

Does a fra is really acceptes for just 2,5x Ap? And technicaly the feat from the 7x of three tail( so 13 megaton) is used, is a casual feat doing by just releasing energy...

That's from Karna, A rank servants don't scale to him necessarily

 

[Regidian]

That's from Karna, A rank servants don't scale to him necessarily

The feat of karna releasing his mana burst casually is the feat that most servant base themself for what i have see in the thread

 

[Schnee_One]

Yes because they downscale

Doesn’t mean it’s casual for them. It’s casual for Karna.

 

[Regidian]

Yes because they downscale

Doesn’t mean it’s casual for them. It’s casual for Karna.

Karna from apo don't have rank A stat... Except NP so why they shouldn't scale?

 

[Schnee_One]

Where did I say they didn't? Its not casual for other servants when it comes from someone stronger then them

Not like it matters, even if she's slightly weaker, you can't pull against TK without any flight

 

[Regidian]

In first you have telling me that her magic resistance will no be enough because the LS, k show that she have better LS and now she need flight?

 

[Regidian]

Where did I say they didn't? Its not casual for other servants when it comes from someone stronger then them

Not like it matters, even if she's slightly weaker, you can't pull against TK without any flight

Karna is not really that stronger in apo even in fgo he can be fight by normal arjuna etc and tamamo three tail litteraly scale from x7 rank A servant

 

[Schnee_One]

Actually while I'm on that, why is Tamamo's LS scaling?

Her strength doesn't come from her physicality, it comes from her mage craft.

 

[Regidian]

Actually while I'm on that, why is Tamamo's LS scaling?

Her strength doesn't come from her physicality, it comes from her mage craft.

Because three tail tamamo (so the one with 7-B tier) is as strong as 7 A rank servant in pure stat, if you want to use one tail then she just low 7-B and more weak physically than most servant (but well even E rank stat strengh servant can lift Ivan who is 2548 kg)

And tamamo is like an expert in close combat

 

[Schnee_One]

Well I guess she resists being TKd directly, even tho Tamamo has Unknown LS on her file

In that case, I dunno what Fubuki can do aside from the hail storm.

 

[Planck69]

In first you have telling me that her magic resistance will no be enough because the LS, k show that she have better LS and now she need flight?

You need to generate thrust against telekinesis. Having superior physical lifting strength is meaningless since you can't really anchor on to anything to make use of it.

 

[Schnee_One]

Oh I just realized I pinged you on accident, sorry.

 

[Youtd]

Well they both have personality weakness's

Fubuki is easily intimidated (although she still fought overgrown rover)
Tamamo is very playful also this "she doesn't utilize her shapeshifting or witchcraft skills."

 

[Planck69]

Oh I just realized I pinged you on accident, sorry.

Not a problem.

Though I doubt I'll participate much more here. I'm way behind on OPM and know nothing about Fate.

 

[Regidian]

You need to generate thrust against telekinesis. Having superior physical lifting strength is meaningless since you can't really anchor on to anything to make use of it.

Don't know if servant having big accrobatic and being able to fight a little in the air can help

 

[Planck69]

Unless she can continuously maintain that force midair, it won't.

 

[Regidian]

Unless she can continuously maintain that force midair, it won't.

They usually have the same strengh in the air when they fight, but if fuyuki use the TK just for do the storm of rock or crushing in the ground, does she still need that force midair?

 

[Planck69]

She needs to be able to move against a force midair with no support, which means flight or telekinesis of her own. Otherwise even Universal LS is meaningless.

 

[Youtd]

She needs to be able to move against a force midair with no support, which means flight or telekinesis of her own. Otherwise even Universal LS is meaningless.

Good to know. I always found it weird how it seemed LS was all you needed to beat telekinesis since it's mind over matter.

 

[Regidian]

She needs to be able to move against a force midair with no support, which means flight or telekinesis of her own. Otherwise even Universal LS is meaningless.

But why a force midair if the TK is just used for lifting the ground or do storm rock? I don't think that fuyuki will TK tamamo herself

And like i tell they can fight in the air with the same strengh.

 

[Youtd]

But why a force midair if the TK is just used for lifting the ground or do storm rock? I don't think that fuyuki will TK tamamo herself

And like i tell they can fight in the air with the same strengh.

I think Plank is just going under the assumption that Fubuki would use telekinesis on Tamamo.
He's not actually saying Fubuki would use telekinesis on Tamamo

He did say he didn't know anything about fate and caught up on OPM

 

[Regidian]

Yeah then it's not help for the vs since fubuki don't do that in first. Actually i have never see her TK directly someone.

 

[Planck69]

But why a force midair if the TK is just used for lifting the ground or do storm rock? I don't think that fuyuki will TK tamamo herself

And like i tell they can fight in the air with the same strengh.

If she's lifted herself then she can't struggle against it since she has no place to apply her force.

If she can't lift Tamamo then this doesn't matter. I just want to clarify that.

 

[Regidian]

If she's lifted herself then she can't struggle against it since she has no place to apply her force.

If she can't lift Tamamo then this doesn't matter. I just want to clarify that.

Well okay tho even if i find a little weird that someone that should be able to fight in the air and do Extreme acrobatic to not being able to apply some force midair

But well doesn't matter much her since fubuki will not TK tamao herself, like even the argument for her don't talk about it

 

[Youtd]

Well okay tho even if i find a little weird that someone that should be able to fight in the air and do Extreme acrobatic to not being able to apply some force midair

But well doesn't matter much her since fubuki will not TK tamao herself, like even the argument for her don't talk about it

Alright, so I suppose the fight starts like this.
Fubuki doesn't use telekinesis on Tamamo and Tamamo may possibly resist the Telekinesis with Magic Resistance

Now then what does Tamamo start with?

 

[Regidian]

Using a variety of magical talismans in combat to attack foes with the power of the elements.

 

[Youtd]

Also if it comes down to how they would act in character if they were to fight you can use this to determine the win

Well they both have personality weakness's

Fubuki is easily intimidated (although she still fought overgrown rover)
Tamamo is very playful also this "she doesn't utilize her shapeshifting or witchcraft skills."

^^^

 

[Youtd]

Using a variety of magical talismans in combat to attack foes with the power of the elements.

Fubuki does have attack reflection however if she does get hit she loses since her durability is city block level.

 

[Regidian]

Some of the atk are combined with close combat like that

Tamamo performs a rapid series of mana-charged kicks, with the final blow being powerful enough to cause a massive explosion as Tamamo poses.

 

[Regidian]

And all the fra shouldn't count anymore since they come from an argument that is not much viable now.

 

[Schnee_One]

No if Tamamo can't fly then Fubuki rains on her with tons of 30 megaton projectiles before eventually using TK on her. She can;t counter TK without thrust

 

[Regidian]

No if Tamamo can't fly then Fubuki rains on her with tons of 30 megaton projectiles before eventually using TK on her. She can;t counter TK without thrust

She will have thrust since she will not be midair, Planck itself was okay with that

 

[Youtd]

Hmm, It seems both of them can Oneshot if Fubuki can't dodge or reflect the projectiles she loses and if Tamamo cant dodge Fubiki's barrage of projectiles she loses.

 

[Regidian]

Fubuki have never used TK on someone so i don't know where the eventually came from

 

[Youtd]

Wait a minute. Fubuki does have a forcefield so she more than likely could survive Tamamo's talisman if she puts it up in time and doesn't lose her composure since she gets easily intimidated.

 

[Regidian]

Hmm, It seems both of them can Oneshot if Fubuki can't dodge or reflect the projectiles she loses and if Tamamo cant dodge Fubiki's barrage of projectiles she loses.

She can create barrier

 

[Schnee_One]

She will have thrust since she will not be midair, Planck itself was okay with that

Until Fubuki actually uses TK to crush her under rubble, which was the votes original reasoning

 

[Regidian]

Until Fubuki actually uses TK to crush her under rubble, which was the votes original reasoning

Under rubble is still not midair she will still have thrusts Even more when they are on the ship of boros. You talk like tamamo will just let herself get crushed all time.

 

[Youtd]

They both have barriers so Tamamo could also survive the barrage thanks to acrobatics and forcefield.

 

[Schnee_One]

Under rubble is still not midair she will still have thrusts Even more when they are on the ship of boros. You talk like tamamo will just let herself get crushed all time.

No she will have to be crushed, she's being crushed under rubble that is stronger then her.