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FTL Zelda (albeit barely)

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Though when it comes to their being no anti feats. I can think of one massive one. Though I need to gather the photos I have of this on my switch. Lightning in BotW absolutely blitzs Link.
I'd consider lightning being able to blitz Link in the game as an inconsistency, there's plenty of feats that put him above lightning (The one in the OP and also the drones Vah Rudania deploys can fly at speeds somewhat comparable to their search lights, Link can keep pace with them and parry their attacks which are noticeably faster than their flight speed) and even characters really low on the scaling chain like child Link in OOT has feats of reacting to a beamos laser in Dodongos cavern.
 
It being a jest doesn’t matter. I can think of many series that have comedic moments actually affect the plot in massive ways. For example the warden from super jails shapeshifting is a comedic joke, yet he straight up kills an antagonist of an episode with it.

No, but it being a jest definitely takes away how much of an actual impact it has in regards to literally everything else going for it, it's worth something, but not worth more compared to everything else.
Listen to yourself, this has gone beyond nitpicking, you're straight up ignoring shit now.

It’s stated to be light speed because it’s a laser, but it being a light speed laser is shot in the foot because it does something light can’t do.

No, it's stated to be light-speed because that's what it's stated to be. If it's not a laser, it's a lightspeed whatever the **** it is, the "speed of light" statement is delivered outside of it ever being referred to as a laserbeam, they aren't mutually connected, that's just you assuming they are.
Meaning, it could be a ******* piece of wood in and of itself, it'd still be light speed because that's what it's stated to be.

It reflecting off wood isn’t a tiny nitpick, what light can and can’t reflect off is one of the biggest properties of light.

Nope, still an extremely minor nitpick in the grand scheme of things that ignores why it's a thing in the first place with the main reason being simply a game mechanic induced thing that is pointed out and kept as a joke because it's funny 🤷‍♂️
Worst part is, wood can reflect light if polished enough so eh, just not as good as something like sleek metal.

Either way, the lightspeed stated tech is lightspeed because it's stated to be. Wood won't effect this, and neither would your false notion of it being stated to be lightspeed is "because it's a laserbeam", and if that was the case, lo and behold, it'd be a laserbeam because it was clearly intended to be and it adheres to 99% of the rules, has a lightspeed statement and one extremely minor nitpick, or even a few at that point, wouldn't overshadow the rest.
 
I would say BotW link has zero reason to scale to child link, but that would require me to talk about Link scaling to Ganon, and I want to wait until BotW 2 comes out before I try to touch that can of worms.

For now, while I disagree with this feat, my main complaints come from other things I want to discuss. But I wanted to discuss that stuff after BotW 2 comes out.

So I maybe back tomorrow, but I’ll probably just make a thread after BotW 2.

Also if I come off as rude or aggressive at any point I’m terribly sorry. I just personally think this sites standards are becoming way too lacks, though maybe that is a good thing. I notice that many verses I’ve tried to downgrade I usually accidentally cause an upgrade, and on another thread it seems like I was causing something similar today so maybe I just have my standards way too strict right now.
 
Why would a developer state that a laser based attack is light speed, if they aren’t referencing it being a light speed laser. They don’t need to say every little detail of thought to make it clear why they write the things they write. If I write a light based weapon in my story obviously I’m going to think it moves at the speed of light. But if I contradict that on accident, then I’ve contradicted my statement and feat and it is unusable.


This isn’t a 0.1% contradiction. This is one of the four largest properties of light being contradicted hard.

Though I just want to say, my phone is about to die, and sometimes I do feel that I am way to pessimistic. So I’ll be back later, and I probably won’t be so against this.
 
Why would a developer state that a laser based attack is light speed, if they aren’t referencing it being a light speed laser. They don’t need to say every little detail of thought to make it clear why they write the things they write. If I write a light based weapon in my story obviously I’m going to think it moves at the speed of light. But if I contradict that on accident, then I’ve contradicted my statement and feat and it is unusable.

Because they did, it doesn't matter why, they did and so it is.
"ive contradicted it once but it's accurate 99% of the time so that 0.1% of the time is was contradicted means the 99.9% of the other times where it's very clearly a certain thing and follows the rules to that thing suddenly are invalidated".
In that case Link should be 10-B because he's taken fall damage before and that contradicts 99% of his feats above human tier, hell, if this applies to everything, when we downgrading literally every verse on the wiki? Fr once in awhile having feats that aren't on par with the highest feats, example, Goku's been hurt by being slammed into a wall before even in Blue, I guess anything above 9-B is contradicted and thus moot.

Hell, the fact you are, quite literally, arguing that they intended it to 100% be a real laserbeam, kinda ***** your whole argument up in the first place, if you're unironically arguing it's outright meant to be a lightspeed light-based laserbeam, which follows the rules 99% of time except in one minor exception, we're going to take the very blatant intention and 99% of the time over the 0.1%.

This isn’t a 0.1% contradiction. This is one of the four largest properties of light being contradicted hard.

That only happens 0.1% of the time and follows said four rules, even the "rule" being contradicted, the other 99.9% of the time. It's not even one of the four rules being contradicted outright, there's context behind why it even happens in the first place (and again, I dont think you can even deflect this beam with wood, only the other exploding attacks).

Like my dude, you're unironically saying **** it adhering to every single rule we have, **** developer intent, and **** a straight-up speed of light statement irrespective of the other things, because there's gag and a gameplay mechanic.

Like bruh.

Actually stop using the wood argument, it isn't worth more over the, well, literally everything else and a explicit speed of light statement that would stay regardless of if it's real light or not.

At least argue something that isn't concrete like it simply being an outlier for Link or some shit, at least then I could understand but trying to say this much overwhelming evidence and a hard statement (that would stay regardless of if it is or isn't light) ain't it chief.
 
After checking abit, since we use AoC.

Terrako and the DLC Guardian seem to be able to curve their shots.
 
Looking at his gameplay moveset video, not a single one of his beams curve, he has some homing energy bullets that do curve though, but the type of beam presented in the OP, doesn't curve (Not that it would matter, even if it did, it's still listed as light speed in the game itself).
Guardian DLC.
Do you mean the DLC that was shown off yesterday? Here? That isn't the beam curving, that's the Guardian rotating its head and sweeping the beam.
Unless you're talking about something else?

But more importantly, neither of those use the beam presented in the OP as light speed so it wouldn't even matter, hell I don't even think either of them are using the exact same type of beam to begin with 🤷‍♂️
It's important to note that the OP isn't arguing all the flashy cool blue beams are lightspeed or even light, but rather a specific instance of it is which behaves (and even kinda looks) completely different then the more common one.
 
Basically, the argument is that this beam, that one in particular, the ultra thin, straight, continuous beam, fired by the Scout, is the same beam as those used in the speed of light trial (and that's because they are, it's literally the same, and that's not me being hyperbolic, literally the exact same animation, textures, effects, etc being used on both).
But, looking at it, they actually look a bit changed up in AoC, so while it's quite literally the exact same thing in the original game, not so sure in AoC 🤷‍♂️
Who wants to calc it in BOTW?
 
Looking at his gameplay moveset video, not a single one of his beams curve, he has some homing energy bullets that do curve though, but the type of beam presented in the OP, doesn't curve (Not that it would matter, even if it did, it's still listed as light speed in the game itself).
Just checked again and yeah it was the "bullets" which did.
 
Bump

Also just occurred to me but shouldn't this be put in a blog post so that if it gets accepted we can link to that instead of a google doc?
 
While we’re on the topic of the lasers, is the BOTW calc viable considering the lasers don’t function the same in that game?
 
this is for aoc only

to quote tinnie:
the guardian's beam reflection nonsense is actually a dodgeable attack cause you fight it as a boss
that specific guardian is also stated to be significantly stronger than any other guardian in AoC and continues to get upgrades as you play
 
Do we need to bump this? We got an approval from a calc member. We can just apply this and close the thread.
 
We can just add this to the other CRT since no ones bothering with this CRT anymore. Then we could knock all the tiering out in one go.
 
And yet you said you'd take care of it shortly. 🗿

I'll just close this thread and add this calc to the other Zelda CRT so we can knock this all out in one go.
 
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