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og thread, just felt like I should make a new one that's cleaner, only has the important changes and provides actual/more detailed arguments for them
chara's intelligence shouldn't be "presumably incredibly high"
there isn't even a justification provided on their profile and it's probably just based on headcanon/assumptions honestly, the only reasoning I could think of for that is that they're kinda wordy and speak in an "intellectual" manner but that's not nearly enough to assume their actual intelligence is "incredibly high"
going off what the game actually gives us, chara knows how SOULs work since they were able to make a basic plan revolving around them in their attempt to free the monsters, but they also lack common sense since as far as we know they genuinely thought that putting flowers in a pie wouldn't have any negative consequences, also important to note that chara is still a child and their consciousness can't be any older than their body since their consciousness was only brought back after frisk fell
so I think, using the intelligence rankings, chara would be about average
genocide frisk should be in frisk's profile, not chara's
this one is pretty simple, chara obviously isn't possessing frisk throughout the entire genocide route, they only do it briefly a few times and either way, whoever's controlling it, it's still frisk's body and it's still frisk's power, therefore it should be in frisk's profile
not totally sure about this but I don't really think chara should have reality warping
creation sure since they recreate the game after we give them our soul but we never, at least explicitly, see them warp reality, the only example I could think of where they possibly do it is in the soulless pacifist ending where the photograph is different
but changing the photograph itself like it is here could easily be done just drawing over it or even taking control of frisk's body briefly for when the photo was taken, but I'll admit those are kinda unlikely and don't explain the text changing color
it's also possible this isn't even chara or anyone's doing, it could just be the game being symbolic or something idk lol, I just think jumping immediately to reality warping is weird and, if chara could bend reality itself to their whims, I feel like they'd do it more throughout the rest of the game post-genocide and give you more spooky reminders of your crimes than just a spooky photo at the end of one route
chara should have fourth wall awareness
it seems to be generally agreed upon that chara communicated with the anomaly/player and "stole their soul" after the genocide route, and interacting knowingly with the real life player = fourth wall awareness, idk why they don't have it
frisk should have supernatural willpower
for obvious reasons, also frisk is literally listed on the supernatural willpower page as one of its users, but it isn't in the powers and abilities section of their profile lol
and here's a thread for high determination frisk being upgraded, that's prolly a bigger discussion and shouldn't be squeezed here and also that thread was just made first
chara's intelligence shouldn't be "presumably incredibly high"
there isn't even a justification provided on their profile and it's probably just based on headcanon/assumptions honestly, the only reasoning I could think of for that is that they're kinda wordy and speak in an "intellectual" manner but that's not nearly enough to assume their actual intelligence is "incredibly high"
going off what the game actually gives us, chara knows how SOULs work since they were able to make a basic plan revolving around them in their attempt to free the monsters, but they also lack common sense since as far as we know they genuinely thought that putting flowers in a pie wouldn't have any negative consequences, also important to note that chara is still a child and their consciousness can't be any older than their body since their consciousness was only brought back after frisk fell
so I think, using the intelligence rankings, chara would be about average
genocide frisk should be in frisk's profile, not chara's
this one is pretty simple, chara obviously isn't possessing frisk throughout the entire genocide route, they only do it briefly a few times and either way, whoever's controlling it, it's still frisk's body and it's still frisk's power, therefore it should be in frisk's profile
not totally sure about this but I don't really think chara should have reality warping
creation sure since they recreate the game after we give them our soul but we never, at least explicitly, see them warp reality, the only example I could think of where they possibly do it is in the soulless pacifist ending where the photograph is different
but changing the photograph itself like it is here could easily be done just drawing over it or even taking control of frisk's body briefly for when the photo was taken, but I'll admit those are kinda unlikely and don't explain the text changing color
it's also possible this isn't even chara or anyone's doing, it could just be the game being symbolic or something idk lol, I just think jumping immediately to reality warping is weird and, if chara could bend reality itself to their whims, I feel like they'd do it more throughout the rest of the game post-genocide and give you more spooky reminders of your crimes than just a spooky photo at the end of one route
chara should have fourth wall awareness
it seems to be generally agreed upon that chara communicated with the anomaly/player and "stole their soul" after the genocide route, and interacting knowingly with the real life player = fourth wall awareness, idk why they don't have it
frisk should have supernatural willpower
for obvious reasons, also frisk is literally listed on the supernatural willpower page as one of its users, but it isn't in the powers and abilities section of their profile lol
and here's a thread for high determination frisk being upgraded, that's prolly a bigger discussion and shouldn't be squeezed here and also that thread was just made first
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