Forest of Sus

[BlackeJan]

At present I am against the calc; the panel that is the basis for the scaling is contradicted multiple times.

Is there anyone else ya know that can comment here?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Ngl I am entirely neutral on this atm, I don't feel as though I really agree or disagree with the revision given the presented arguments

Also yes 1 month bump go brrr

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ngl I am entirely neutral on this atm, I don't feel as though I really agree or disagree with the revision given the presented arguments

Also yes 1 month bump go brrr

***** been going on for a year or sumn but thank you for the comment

 

[Deceived3596]

Average Naruto thread moment.

 

[LordTracer]

Put me down as neutral, leaning towards agree.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

This is one of those is it consistent visual type things for me. I'm not sure entirely but I'm not against this really so if I had to pick I'd say it being a city in size could work.

 

[Damage3245]

This is one of those is it consistent visual type things for me. I'm not sure entirely but I'm not against this really so if I had to pick I'd say it being a city in size could work.

It's not a matter of it being a "city size" or not. Being "a city" tells us nothing about its size.

It's about the consistency of this one specific calc; not whether the tertiary evidence suggests that Konoha has a large population or not which is completely irrelevant.

And from what I can tell, every other landmark in the panel being used contradicts relying on the Forest of Death size for scaling Konoha.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

This is one of those is it consistent visual type things for me. I'm not sure entirely but I'm not against this really so if I had to pick I'd say it being a city in size could work.

Well to be transparent I can’t claim in good faith that Konoha is consistently 60 km in radius or anything like that. The big contention rn is like “oh does that size inconsistency matter more than the larger size lore arguments” along with interpretations of the lore arguments.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

It's not a matter of it being a "city size" or not. Being "a city" tells us nothing about its size.

It's about the consistency of this one specific calc; not whether the tertiary evidence suggests that Konoha has a large population or not which is completely irrelevant.

It does matter since we could give at least some estimate going off the OP, I don't see how it's irrelevent.

Well to be transparent I can’t claim in good faith that Konoha is consistently 60 km in radius or anything like that. The big contention rn is like “oh does that size inconsistency matter more than the larger size lore arguments” along with interpretations of the lore arguments.

We can't expect Konoha to look the same size in every shot but if lore contributes to it being that big and at leat some shots show it close in size to it then I could work, no?

 

[Damage3245]

It does matter since we could give at least some estimate going off the OP, I don't see how it's irrelevent.


We can't expect Konoha to look the same size in every shot but if lore contributes to it being that big and at leat some shots show it close in size to it then I could work, no?

I think KT's counter-arguments showed that the lore-based arguments did not support the size suggested in the calculation.

So if the lore does not contribute to it being that big, and the singular shot being used here is majorly contradicted, then I don't see how it works.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

We can't expect Konoha to look the same size in every shot but if lore contributes to it being that big and at leat some shots show it close in size to it then I could work, no?

Unfortunately no such image in og Naruto exists, haven’t checked the Boruto anime (don’t plan on it cuz I don’t like Boruto lol). I think the lore supports it being that large, not everyone agrees, I’d just refer you to KT and I’s argument on the first page (it doesn’t last that long iirc) if you wanted to hear both sides.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I think KT's counter-arguments showed that the lore-based arguments did not support the size suggested in the calculation.

So if the lore does not contribute to it being that big, and the singular shot being used here is majorly contradicted, then I don't see how it works.

The arguments regarding the lore seemed to be going back and forth and while I can agree with inconsistent shots not being helpful, I'd say the most detailed one map wise should be used, no?

Unfortunately no such image in og Naruto exists, haven’t checked the Boruto anime (don’t plan on it cuz I don’t like Boruto lol). I think the lore supports it being that large, not everyone agrees, I’d just refer you to KT and I’s argument on the first page (it doesn’t last that long iirc) if you wanted to hear both sides.

Not a fan of Boruto I see. Well without some backing visuals that can show it comparable to that side it's problematic. I'm not knowledgeable enough to get in a full on debate but KT does give valid points. In the end, if it's up to interpretation/inconsistent sizes then we'd be better off not using the calc in my honest opinion.

 

[Damage3245]

The arguments regarding the lore seemed to be going back and forth and while I can agree with inconsistent shots not being helpful, I'd say the most detailed one map wise should be used, no?

I think you're saying the most detailed panel of Konoha is what should be used for its size? The issue is that there are multiple reference objects that would contradict relying solely on the Forest of Death, and all of them put the size of Konoha on that panel as being much smaller than using the Forest of Death.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I think you're saying the most detailed panel of Konoha is what should be used for its size? The issue is that there are multiple reference objects that would contradict relying solely on the Forest of Death, and all of them put the size of Konoha on that panel as being much smaller than using the Forest of Death.

I think Griffon is saying that if it’s inconsistent like that, the FoD calc shouldn’t be used, aka he shares your position moreso than mine. At least I interpreted the message as he disagrees.

 

[Damage3245]

I think Griffon is saying that if it’s inconsistent like that, the FoD calc shouldn’t be used, aka he shares your position moreso than mine. At least I interpreted the message as he disagrees.

I may have misunderstood him then.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I may have misunderstood him then.

My apologies for wording it like that but my comment towards arc7 under yours was...

Not a fan of Boruto I see. Well without some backing visuals that can show it comparable to that side it's problematic. I'm not knowledgeable enough to get in a full on debate but KT does give valid points. In the end, if it's up to interpretation/inconsistent sizes then we'd be better off not using the calc in my honest opinion.

 

[Damage3245]

@LordGriffin1000 My bad, haha. I didn't read that part because it was responding to Arc7, oops.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

mrk behavior smh

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

This thread can probably be closed, majority are in favor of rejecting it, I doubt anyone else will come to this thread, and I'm fine conceding this thread.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This thread can probably be closed, majority are in favor of rejecting it, I doubt anyone else will come to this thread, and I'm fine conceding this thread.

That's my call!

Closed by OPs request