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You will make Nightmare into Shadow Freddy when I am a corpse on the ground. Just saying.
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Fnaf at freddys discussion thread!
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Can you contend with my argumentations? its pretty blatant and Nightmare is literally called Shadow Freddy
what is this bias my friend? Taking into account new ideas are quite hard i see.
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I don't know can you scan a singular ******* thing you spout out instead of just going "Bro trust me PLEASE!!!" Because that don't work.
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Pretty sure I already went over this "Dark rement" only exist in fnaf AR, While comparable to Agony from the books and games, we can't assume they are the same.
Your claim that it isn't a theory is straight-up false. But since you seem stuck on that idea, feel free to believe so yourself, since no one else will agree to it here, or the vast majority of the community.
How did you even get that idea from?
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Quite agressive but here you go
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So your entire argument is a single scan, on a "file name"? Hell, We have had lots of does, that have been proven to be inaccurate, Scott, doesn't go over every single file name and think "Yeah this is suitable for lore"Quite agressive but here you go
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1- Okay so it exists in a canon game and is later on expanded within Fazbear Frights, it partially exists and has an extension.
2- Well if you can't argue againts it my friend, than do not try at all anyways.
3-You made fun of it? anyways elaborate on how it does not make sense. The velocity would be higher from a fall like that rather than the small 2 m/s crash which output 5 megajoules of energy.
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This yeah
Give Gifts Give Life does basically confirm Puppet made sure they were possessed.
I'm talking from the games, mate. If you're dealing with Mr. Conservative over here you need some pretty damn solid evidence of shit.
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No, i sent multiple scans of Nightmare claiming he's evil or wickedness. Also Scott does leave lore points within files and this file name directly has been called Shadow Freddy.
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Oh? interesting approach but everything i used there is from the games. Id rather let you check out arguments before contending
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Those are actually the Fnaf 1 animatronics...
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That should be the prior animatronics to the Withereds, or the first Originals. which were the Withereds whom were added onto the Toys.
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The animatronics we see in Fnaf 1, are the withered animatronics that have been repaired, and the original animatronics we see in "give gift give life" mini game are the withereds before the were used for parts and dismanataled.
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Last I checked, the FNaF1 animatronics didn't have rosy red cheeks...
Two whole scans with a **** TON of extrapolation, sure.
Also, about the whole Nightmare saying he is wickedness thing... that's UCN. every single UCN animatronic is not their originals, they are constructs created by TOYSHK, or so is accepted on the wiki RN
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Exactly, thats what i said good fellow.
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Mangle isn't Funtime Foxy, so it wasn't created from the metal of the FNAF 1 animatronics. The SAVE THEM minigame of FNAF 2 shows that even after Freddy and GF are possessed, five more kids were killed, which matches with the five non-Puppet Toys (TF, TB, TC, Mangle, and BB). Also, Toy Freddy, Toy Chica, and Mangle all do that thing where they have black eyes with white pupils, which is only ever done by the possessed animatronics.
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Two whole scans with direct statements yes, about wickedness thats not everyone.
Nightmare is the only character whom directly states that he is Aftons evil made up of flesh in a literal sense.
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Kinda wished you saw my later comment, where I mention that the black/white eyes are a common sign of possession. But it may also just be a sign that the same souls are somewhat there due to remenmt.
Regarding the DCI incident, doesn't require them to start possessing anything, at best that would be a possibility, while I personally don't think so.
Lastly, Mangle is not funtime foy as you mentioned, it is more likely it is suppose to have originally been a foxy that we see in "FNAF world" but that doesn't mean it doesn't have remenent from the originals.
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Could any of you fellas make calculation blogs, im not really good at them.
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One scan that tells you jack and shit, one scan of a guidebook that says none of what you say it is, and one statement from a guy who's all UCN.
And the nightmares are all meant to be more edgy than an emo kid and the statement is from UCN, AKA, it doesn't apply to Nightmare outside of UCN.
So even assuming the statement was to be taken as literally as America's 50th school shooter this month, it wouldn't even apply to Nightmare outside of the construct made in UCN itself.
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If you have the evidence make a request for it, in the calculation request thread.
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No i calculated everything already i just need to make a blog
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Jack and shit? well both left town since the scan directly says Nightmare is Shadow Freddy, the guidebook statement which directly shows that the shadows are dark remnant whom are negative energy. and one statement which is direct.
Could you elaborate on edginess = unreliability, taking in other context like his orgin as a shadow and shadow creature being made out of dark remnant or negative energy its just extra evidance.
It could be taken into hand for his construct outside though? its stated multiple times that these variants are just replicas and the voicelines are lore-drops.
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Alright, so let's get this out of the way:
Not enough evidence for VsBattle's standards.
Yes. It's the same deal as Andrew and TOYSNHK. They're parallels.
I think it would be reasonable to accept that Nightmare is Nightmare Shadow Freddy in the same sense that Nightmarionne is Nightmare Puppet or Nightmare Fredbear is Nightmare...well, Fredbear. But anything else would be too speculative for VsB's standards.
For what it's worth, the UCN lines are generally considered canon to their real counterparts ("The others are like animals", "I was the first", "This time, there is more than an illusion to fear", etc.). That said, every single UCN character, as well as UCN itself, is Afton's "wickedness made flesh" because it's his physical hellscape/purgatory/whatever. Also, Nightmare also says "The shadow fears me", so...yeah.
Sorry, I'm trying to lean away from discussion threads for personal reasons, so I just checked back in today. Just to be clear, my stance is that Mangle is possessed by a DCI kid with Mid Remnant.
It kind of does, though. As the Security Puppet minigame shows, simply dying near an animatronic causes a soul to possess it. Those five souls had to have gone somewhere, and there just so happen to be five animatronics present. I just think there's more evidence for the Toys being possessed by full-on souls rather than them just having some Remnant.
Agreed, but...
Then how would it have gotten Remnant from the originals?
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1.these does that have been inaccurate are in context to of other verses and not fnaf,so your argument here is a good red herring,
2.what? Scott’s entire narrative is placing things in the files,that’s how we found Springtraps name in the past and even that’s how molten Freddy and scrap baby came to be,how? Through files so they are valid.
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Okay i had multiple scans? like its almost as obvious as Afton = Springtrap, they're not parralels anyways but alright.
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That worked in early game due to it being Scot was making the games, but now that franches have expanded and he is no longer making the games, these kind of things have become much less reliable.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree then. Also just to clarify, I said that I believe that Agony and Dark Remnant parallels, not Shadow Freddy and Nightmare.
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So Springtraps name isn’t Springtrap anymore? Well I be dammed.so Freddy fazbear name isn’t Freddy fazbear? Your logic is very flawed pls re think that refutation.
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My grammer is shit, I meant that it got Remenmt from the originals...
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I mean elements are carried across continuities, they cannot be different due to how canon works
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Springtrap's name is confirmed, and you are completely ignoring my point that FNAF AR was not developed by Scot, so source code digging is not reliable.
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yeah, no. The "directly says" is an image of the word "nightmare" in AR.... Oh, you know, the game where it's Shadow ******' Bonnie that's eating your kidneys in Shadowy remnant!
1. It's shadowy remnant
2. Shadowy remnant doesn't have a statement of being negative energy
From UCN, as I said.
As Lightsoul kindly pointed out for me, Nightmare also says such things as "The shadow fears me", and if Nightmare was a construct of Shadowy remnant as you claim, it would make apsolutely no sense for Nightmare to say that.
Would you cross-scale UCN and the world outside too? Because uh... that don't work!
Did you even do ANY tiny bit of research? Springtrap is stated to be that name in FNaF3 itself via the extras menu, Freddy Fazbear is stated to be named such in the phone calls for FNaF1, do we require more?
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Ok one that’s a mess up on you,my interpretation of what you said now is that nightmare files is through fnaf ar which it wasn’t it was fnaf 4 aka back when Scott made games by himself so now your stuff falls apart since by your last message you agreed in that essence and
2.fnaf ar has nothing to do with Nighmare shadow fredys being =,so now you are committing a red herring even more,
Pls once again re think this argument.
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Pretty sure as @DaReaperMan pointed out, that code is from FNAF AR...
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that was legible to you?
Also, even if it was from FNaF2, that was well before Scott even had the idea for a FNaF4, so it'd be a fat sack of nothing.
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It’s not it’s from fnaf 4 files,also if you want while Encylopedia for y’all is meh,in that shadow Freddy is stated to be in fnaf 4 so would support my position even further.Pretty sure as @DaReaperMan pointed out, that code is from FNAF AR...
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1- Mate, that image says ''Nightmare'' in FNAF 4 not AR, i advice you actually look at context accurately and the file of that Nightmare name is called Shadow Freddy.
2- Once again good fella, here's the actual scan my bad on that im sorry for that.
3- Nightmare claiming that the shadow fears him could be in multiple contexts, Eleanor is refered to as the shadow or Andrew for example so multiple meanings, also claiming that a shadowy entity is scared of you dosen't disregard the fact that you could be also made from the same source of dark remnant.
