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Gregory fights a woman (Lauren (Slender: The Eight Pages) vs Gregory (FNAF))

What's stopping Gregory from just running away, sneaking up on Lauren, and giving her super epilepsy?
 
What's stopping Gregory from just running away, sneaking up on Lauren, and giving her super epilepsy?
The effects of his light equipment is temporary and need to recharge unless he abuses it. Gregory is completely helpless without them since the Arrival devs gave Lauren too much dura in the mines level
 
The effects of his light equipment is temporary and need to recharge unless he abuses it. Gregory is completely helpless without them since the Arrival devs gave Lauren too much dura in the mines level
She's still getting blinded and he can just continue flashing her everytime she recovers until she gets a seizure which will incapacitate her. That's how he won his other matches. He also has a screwdriver he can use as a weapon but it's out of character.
 
She's still getting blinded and he can just continue flashing her everytime she recovers until she gets a seizure which will incapacitate her. That's how he won his other matches. He also has a screwdriver he can use as a weapon but it's out of character.
I just realized, he's too fast and stealthy for her to hit. I'll equalize speed and make this an open field during the day

Lauren could technically hit Gregory before he could incap her, it's just that Gregory has a quicker option
 
I'll vote Gregory for the same reasons he won against Jack. He can just blind Lauren whenever she tries to get close, run away, rinse and repeat. He has higher stamina than her as well so she'll slowly grow tired and become more susceptible to seizures, eventually succumbing before she can reach him to do any meaningful harm.
 
Has Gregory actually been shown to give people epilepsy as a tactic? Or is this based off some throwaway statement for his flashlight?

I’m not gonna lie this is like one of the silliest wincons that I’ve seen consistently used for him.
 
Has Gregory actually been shown to give people epilepsy as a tactic? Or is this based off some throwaway statement for his flashlight?

I’m not gonna lie this is like one of the silliest wincons that I’ve seen consistently used for him.
1. The statement isn't for his flashlight. It's for the Fazer-blaster.
2. We haven't seen him give anyone seizures because all of the enemies he uses it against either are animatronics who can't get seizures or are straight up immune to its effects (Vanny). He's very willing to use it against them however which is why he would also do it by SBA. Basically, Gregory would be giving his opponent seizures unintentionally.
 
Isn’t Vanny like…a person?

If it doesn’t work on her then why are we assuming it’ll work on everyone else?

If the one human it’s been used on doesn’t get a seizure over time I don’t think it’s a very reliable or consistent win condition.

Like yeah a flashlight could also cause seizures if shined at someone’s face repeatedly I’m not going to give anyone with a flashlight status effect inducements and try to debate based off that? It’s literally just a warning you have to give on toys that it could cause blindness or seizures if shined in someone’s eyes.

I just don’t think this is the slam dunk you guys make it out to be.
 
Isn’t Vanny like…a person?

If it doesn’t work on her then why are we assuming it’ll work on everyone else?

If the one human it’s been used on doesn’t get a seizure over time I don’t think it’s a very reliable or consistent win condition.
A person possessed by a supernatural digital virus with supernatural abilities. Also, this is impossible to achieve in normal gameplay but Vanessa (aka not possessed Vanny) can be blinded and have animations for when she is.
Like yeah a flashlight could also cause seizures if shined at someone’s face repeatedly I’m not going to give anyone with a flashlight status effect inducements and try to debate based off that? It’s literally just a warning you have to give on toys that it could cause blindness or seizures if shined in someone’s eyes.

I just don’t think this is the slam dunk you guys make it out to be.


"Immediately wash your eyes with soap and water when flashed" doesn't sound like a normal flashlight to me. Also, this is freaking Fazbear Entertainment we're talking about. They have like a thousand safety violations.
 
A person possessed by a supernatural digital virus with supernatural abilities. Also, this is impossible to achieve in normal gameplay but Vanessa (aka not possessed Vanny) can be blinded and have animations for when she is.

That doesn't really impact her physical capabilities, now does it?

Also just really want to point out the source of the seizure claims says 'may cause', which means its not even certain that it will. Especially considering that message is directed to an almost entirely child audiance, i very much doubt its a "shoot once and seizure" kind of deal-
 
watching the video more, there’s no way this thing is giving an adult woman a seizure lol.

So straight up seizures just don’t work like how you think they do. They aren’t soemthing that’s bound to happen, and I legitimately think the “may cause seizures” thing is a warning label to not get sued. This is on literally like anything that makes light. Normal flashlights could cause seizures. The character he is fighting could give HIM a seizure. Children are more susceptible to this kind of thing.

Outside of that, this fight is in broad daylight. There’s no way that light is even doing anything. There’s a reason laser tag is in a dark room; because otherwise you can’t even see the laser. Outside of that, this implies that the lady simply won’t…cover her eyes? Literally that’s all you have to do.

Even if she did somehow unrealistically get a seizure, that’s not gonna kill her. Not consistently. Seizures aren’t fatal, at most they keep you occupied for a little bit. Her durability it enough that a minute of a seizure isn’t going to let Gregory do anything else really. He’s like, 10. She has 9-C durability. He more or less can’t do any meaningful damage.

I’ve had shit flash in my eyes before. I’ve seen the 1987 transformers movie. The most it’s going to do is give her a headache and really piss her off. Outside of that I can’t see this doing anything that’s actually relevant for a fight. Same goes for any other thread that Gregory concluded really.

I think y’all just don’t understand how seizures work and think they’re some instant death sentence. Literally just cover your eyes.
 
A person possessed by a supernatural digital virus with supernatural abilities. Also, this is impossible to achieve in normal gameplay but Vanessa (aka not possessed Vanny) can be blinded and have animations for when she is.
Yeah, "blinded"/flinching cause a bright light just got shined in your eyes is a natural human reaction, but a)we are in bright light so the effect will be much less than it would be in the situations where it would be used normally (laser tag and fazerblast happening in generally much darker places that out and about in the middle of the day)
Doesn't sound like a normal flashlight to me
This is just normal laser tag rules

Anyways, this fight is in all likelihood a stomp (or very decisive victory) for Lauren as it is a grown ass adult with 9-C dura vs "normal" child
 
From what I can tell, we've literally never seen the fazer-blaster give seizures to regular humans nearly as instantly as it's being made out. Statements about it are probably in-universe epilepsy warnings and the sorts. Yes, potentially dangerous, but considering we don't have anything suggesting Lauren has a photosensitive condition, I think she just grabs him before a seizure can be induced/just closes her eyes.

For reference, the infamous Pokemon epilepsy episode, which was so bad it nearly got the whole series banned from broadcast, claimed right under 700 victims out of a show with an average viewership of 10%. That's tens, hundreds of thousands of viewers who were subjected to it, and it claimed 700. That's all that's needed for children's entertainment to be considered photosensitively dangerous. It's statistically far more probable it doesn't do anything to Lauren.

I vote the grown woman beating the child to death with a flashlight.
 
If speed gets unequalized, Gregory can theoretically play hit and run until Lauren gets exhausted thanks to his higher stamina and speed.
 
Based off what I remember from the slender games I feel like they should be more or less even in stamina.

Again though by how the wiki works he kinda just can’t hurt her in any reasonable way. It would take an incredibly long time lol
 
I don't have anything to add to this match, I just think its funny that The Chaser's justification for Illusion Manipulation is "She cheated on Lauren with her old appearance". XD
 
I feel like I need to step in

Light? Of course. Though aren't there other areas where it's very well lit in Sec. Breach and the stat effects still work? That's not mentioning Vannessa still gets stunned by the lights. And why would lazer tag give out the warning along the lines of "don't shoot it in your eyes".

Lauren technically has no better combat experience and Gregory just prefers to flee and hide too. And we've seen him survive far worse things than Lauren AP wise and made it on top, where as Lauren actually dies to Kate at the end of her game.

Isn't Lauren also using a flashlight a weapon a 50/50 chance of using it that way? Considering she's only used it against a supernatural creature rather than a person. Slender the Arrival is meant to make you feel hopeless, not use improvised weapons in character for her despite her common sense.
 
Also, exactly how do we know canonically that the lazer and flashcam is limited to photosensitive people in canon when Vanness can get stunned. Not a dim environment, yes for this match, but limited to photoepliepsy, how?
 
Light? Of course. Though aren't there other areas where it's very well lit in Sec. Breach and the stat effects still work? That's not mentioning Vannessa still gets stunned by the lights. And why would lazer tag give out the warning along the lines of "don't shoot it in your eyes".
You can't be serious, right? "Don't shine this in your eyes" is like the thing that most people will tell you when you hold anything that produces light?? Especially when you're dealing with children? Who are not exactly the smartest and will shine a light directly into their eyes? Kids will stare at the sun if they feel like it. They're kids. You tell them these things so that you're not liable when a kid blinds himself beause he shot a laser pointer in his eye.

Vanessa still gets stunned by the light because, guess what, it's a light? I shined one of these things in my eye today at work, and you know what happened? I got a little bit of pain in the eyes and a little bit blinded. I was, probably, a little bit stunned. You're not even meant to be able to stun Vanessa in the game, you literally have to cheat to do it based off what I've been told. I don't think we can take that as a glowing endorsement of the gun's capabilities.

And, again, just cover your eyes, man.
Lauren technically has no better combat experience and Gregory just prefers to flee and hide too. And we've seen him survive far worse things than Lauren AP wise and made it on top, where as Lauren actually dies to Kate at the end of her game.
She's 9-C. Gregory is not. Unless you want to make an RT to make him 9-C then her hitting him like twice should knock him tf out. You don't need good combat experience to hit a kid with a flashlight. I don't know what you think Gregory is exactly, but him being able to Home Alone some animatronics doesn't make him a superhuman fighter or whatever. I'm not saying lauren has better combat experience, I'm just saying Gregory can't hit her worth a damn.

sn't Lauren also using a flashlight a weapon a 50/50 chance of using it that way? Considering she's only used it against a supernatural creature rather than a person. Slender the Arrival is meant to make you feel hopeless, not use improvised weapons in character for her despite her common sense.
You know I think it makes sense for her to actually not try to hit Slenderman or whatever with a flashlight because the reasonably response it "wtf is that". This isn't a supernatural creature she's up against; it's Gregory.

Also, exactly how do we know canonically that the lazer and flashcam is limited to photosensitive people in canon when Vanness can get stunned. Not a dim environment, yes for this match, but limited to photoepliepsy, how?
I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying it's a lot more likely to give a photosensitive person a seizure instead of someone who doesn't have experience in it, especially since I don't think Gregory even shoots it fast enough to inflict a seizure they have to be flashing at very fast intervals.

I just think there's a misunderstanding of how warning labels work? They're to avoid any possible problem that can come from any possible object. Just because it can cause seizures doesn't mean it will every time, 100% of the time, without failure, enough to make it a consistent win condition. That's not how flashlights work, that's not how laser guns work, that's not even how a strobe flashlight in real life works.
 
Guys, if you're panicking on the low probability on the wincons on Gregory, I'll remind everyone this first before continuing.

This forum is meant to be just for fun, not to stress you out. If you think I'm stonewalling or this thread ain't fun even if I was right, anyone can call staff here to monitor or close this if this thread goes downhill long enough. You can also ignore me or this thread if you like.

I'll change the match conditions considering I'm ironically being reminded Lauren has 9-C durability when I was the one that made Lauren's profile. 💀 Don't worry, I also acknowledge I can make moronic mistakes like everyone else.

How about: Battle takes place in Oakside Park at night. Gregory starts out of sight. Speed unequalized.

There. now Gregory can afford a million years for his seizures to work. But I have concern with this: If Lauren technically hasn't shown to use improv. weapons or tried to hit any of Slenderman's proxies in canon, so how would we know a person like her would actually try to hit someone with a flashlight? Of course Gregory isn't Slendy, but the argument from "X character hasn't been shown to do X thing" stands as a hard precedent (expecially when gauging the extent of vague abilities and feats).
 
There. now Gregory can afford a million years for his seizures to work
what stops her from just, covering her eyes?

But I have concern with this: If Lauren technically hasn't shown to use improv. weapons or tried to hit any of Slenderman's proxies in canon, so how would we know a person like her would actually try to hit someone with a flashlight? Of course Gregory isn't Slendy, but the argument from "X character hasn't been shown to do X thing" stands as a hard precedent (expecially when gauging the extent of vague abilities and feats).
You are asking proof that a human character can use tools, i hope you realize how asinine that sounds. Its second nature to human to omrpov weapons, we have litterally have been doing so since we were cavemen.
 
what stops her from just, covering her eyes?
Stealth Mastery. She won't see it coming.
You are asking proof that a human character can use tools, i hope you realize how asinine that sounds. Its second nature to human to omrpov weapons, we have litterally have been doing so since we were cavemen.
So you're saying Lauren would immediately try to beat a child unconscious with a flashlight?
 
Stealth Mastery. She won't see it coming.
Problem solved. Everyone is happy with my suggestion.
So you're saying Lauren would immediately try to beat a child unconscious with a flashlight?
This is pretty much the clutch in the "what's really been shown in-canon" argument. Lauren technically hasn't been shown in-canon to use tools like improv. weapons to hurt or defend herself, and yet, all humans by nature are shown to use improvised weapons to hurt others.

Even if Lauren could use her flashlight to beat up Gregory, that's not going her immediate first thought considering she doesn't use it to fend off Slenderman's proxies. However, I have faith she will attempt to beat Gregory with something like a stick eventually considering human nature of course.

With Jackythejack and Overlord775's criticisms in mind, an environment like Oakside Park at night is going to take time for both opponent's eyes to adapt. Even if the environment is well lit by moonlight, Gregory has plenty of obstacles to keep out of sight and stun Lauren without giving her the opportunity to close her eyes. That's also considering that Gregory has experience stealthing Security Guards [Vannessa], Vanny and the animatronics with a mind of steel for a child his age. Lauren is nothing compared to the other opponents Gregory snuck past.
 
Guys, if you're panicking on the low probability on the wincons on Gregory, I'll remind everyone this first before continuing.

This forum is meant to be just for fun, not to stress you out. If you think I'm stonewalling or this thread ain't fun even if I was right, anyone can call staff here to monitor or close this if this thread goes downhill long enough. You can also ignore me or this thread if you like.
This is disrespectfully condescending and I think you know it to be honest.

I’m not “panicking”. I’m pointing out flawed logic and if you’re gonna approach it like that I don’t think this debate is worth having lol
 
With SBA, yes? She’s doing whatever she’s gotta do to win.
Since when did SBA turn normal people into child abusers? This is also ignoring the fact that she can try to just take his gear from him first before resorting to violence.
 
Stealth Mastery. She won't see it coming.

So you're saying Lauren would immediately try to beat a child unconscious with a flashlight?
Standard Battle Assumptions say she's straight up willing to murk this child

This is pretty much the clutch in the "what's really been shown in-canon" argument. Lauren technically hasn't been shown in-canon to use tools like improv. weapons to hurt or defend herself, and yet, all humans by nature are shown to use improvised weapons to hurt others.

Even if Lauren could use her flashlight to beat up Gregory, that's not going her immediate first thought considering she doesn't use it to fend off Slenderman's proxies. However, I have faith she will attempt to beat Gregory with something like a stick eventually considering human nature of course.
just because it isn't show in canon it doesn't mean she can't, bt your logic neither can throw a punch or kick because neither has did either in canon. Its common sense to not just use your bare fists if you have a tool, that's like- logic 101.

Also you do realize that attacking a proxy is the equivalent of trying to attack a bear, right? Of course she wouldn't even try that, but here she has no reason to believe that the small chidl is a Proxy or something similar.
 
Standard Battle Assumptions say she's straight up willing to murk this child
Where? Quote the exact part that says the combatant is willing to kill right away even when we haven't seen them do it before. I seriously think half of the people on the wiki confuse SBA mindset with bloodlust.
 
Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.
 
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