Flash (Barry Allen) (Pre-Crisis) Revision:

[Firestorm808]

@Sandman31

Going by the order of events, Barry running against the flow of Anti-Matter and forcing its energies back into the machine is what destroyed the outer casing. From there, all the Anti-Matter still inside leaked out. In the end, Barry became part of the speed force to destroy the rest of the machine.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

@Firestorm808

Okay. We would have to update the title and links to remove "Post-Crisis" though, and there are quite a lot of links:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index....Flash+(Barry+Allen)+(Post-Crisis)&namespace=0

Why don't we just leave a redirect?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

And how do we decide whether we just add keys or need a new profile?

 

[Antvasima]

@Spino

1) Because the tabber would inaccurately say "Post-Crisis".

2) In this case the character apparently wasn't changed enough between Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis, but I agree that it may be safer and simpler to just create a new Pre-Crisis profile in order to make certain.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Was Anti-Monitor 2-A or 2-C during COIE?

 

[Antvasima]

2-A after absorbing infinite universes. I am not sure about earlier.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

If he was 2-A, when the cannon would also be 2-A, why else would he need it.

 

[Antvasima]

Comicbook (lack of) logic.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Fair enough I guess.

 

[Antvasima]

I mean, it doesn't make sense that somebody with the power of infinite universes would need help to destroy just 5 universes in the first place.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

So, it the canon 2-A or 2-C?

 

[Antvasima]

2-C apparently.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Probably. Somebody like firestorm should take a look at it though.

 

[Sandman31]

Its been a while since I read COIE but one thing I remember that I think that can explain it is the fact that the universes destroyed by AM is not directly absorbed by him but rather it makes the Anti-Matter Universe greater/bigger.

the Anti-Monitor doesnt passively get stronger everytime a universe is destroyed. The Anti-matter universe gets bigger everytime a positive universe is destroyed but its been noted that the Anti-Monitor absorbs power from his universe. His powersource grows but he still need to tap into it, so his power, even after absorbing numerous universes, are not the same every time. Example is before he went to the beginning of time, the Anti-Monitor beefed himself up by absorbing Anti-Matter from his universe.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Would you be willing to help Firestorm808 to write a Pre-Crisis Flash profile?

 

[Firestorm808]

I can start drafting profile soon.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out. It is very appreciated.

 

[Firestorm808]

I was just looking over the Post-Crisis profile, and now I have to sort out the Pre-Crisis stuff.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Have we decided to make key or page? And are we rating him at 6-B?

 

[Firestorm808]

I'm proposing his base as At least 6-B, possibly higher.

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with Firestorm808's solution.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Though 6-B was like the highest feat I could find, so what would the higher be about? Not being overwhelmingly weaker than stronger characters?

 

[Firestorm808]

He destroyed the outer casing of the Anti-Matter cannon in his base.