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Flash (Barry Allen) (Pre-Crisis) Revision:
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Seems like the party started without me.
Anyways I might be ok with a possibly 2-C Post-Crisis Flash (and people that scale to him) for GL surviving Crisis and then scaling to him but I also want a low-end below tier 4 for the characters that need it. That way we acknowledge the inconsistency of DC. Now we should wait till the forum move is over to discuss this though.
Anyways I might be ok with a possibly 2-C Post-Crisis Flash (and people that scale to him) for GL surviving Crisis and then scaling to him but I also want a low-end below tier 4 for the characters that need it. That way we acknowledge the inconsistency of DC. Now we should wait till the forum move is over to discuss this though.
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That doesn't really work, if we do that literally every comic book character will end up with "varies".
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I was actually referring to Marvel, should have made that clear. 4-B is pretty consistent for Post-Crisis Superman.DarkDragonMedeus said:
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@Da Lunge Fish
It's not BFR.
It's not BFR.
- The Flash Vol 1 #153 June 1965
- Barry lands a mighty punch, knocking Eobard out. As this caused the vibrations which kept him in the 20th Century to cease, Zoom returned to his own era, where the authorities found him, unconscious.
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@Greenshifter
Surviving the Crisis isn't as impressive as you may think, depending on the context. Many heroes were folded into the New Earth without issue. Unless the character is shown being unharmed by touching the Anti-Matter wave, it shouldn't really scale.
Surviving the Crisis isn't as impressive as you may think, depending on the context. Many heroes were folded into the New Earth without issue. Unless the character is shown being unharmed by touching the Anti-Matter wave, it shouldn't really scale.
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One of the reasons I made my feat timelines is to lay out the consistency of a statistic over time. If you take all the feats and assign numerical value for each, you can put them through standard deviation to get a proper representation.
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Yeah, i can't argue with that.Firestorm808 said:
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Are low-high regen and extraordinary genius okay though?
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There's no way you can spin a multiversal reset in a way that makes it unimpressive, especially given this specific case, they explicitly state that the rings protect them. They being Kilowog, of course.Firestorm808 said:
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Regenerationn implies that he had to heal a body part from an injury, which he didn't.
- The Flash Vol 1 #126 February 1962
- Barry survives getting transmuted into a mirror, melts himself in an incredibly short time and turns back into cells.
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If that's the case, Barry should have mid-low regen, as in Flash 190 he healed his leg even thought the doctor was sure he can never run again.Firestorm808 said:
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@The real cal howard
- Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #218 November 1987
- A Pre-Crisis Kilowog only survives the explosion of his planet cause by the Anti-Matter energy as shown by him floating in the planet's rubble.
- Kilowog's first appearance | Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #201 June 1986
- Harbinger linked Earths S, X, and 4 with the merging Earths 1 and 2. | COIE #6
- When New Earth was created, many characters of differing power levels from other Earth's were folded into it with varying degrees of memories.
- Crisis on Infinite Earths Vol 1 #11 February 1986
- No one scales to multiversal by being folded into New Earth.
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A multiversal reset a result of an antimatter god destroys a planet. Not surprising. Pretty expected. And that doesn't explain Ch'p either, who also mentioned explicit Power Ring resistance.
Yes. They remember with varying degrees. But that doesn't excuse the fact that again, Lanterns tanked it. There were no other reasonings there, as it's an explicit statement. The others got affected. Lanterns got shielded from it.
Yes. They remember with varying degrees. But that doesn't excuse the fact that again, Lanterns tanked it. There were no other reasonings there, as it's an explicit statement. The others got affected. Lanterns got shielded from it.
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Do you have scans of Ch'p's and the explicit statement?
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- Majority of the Lanterns weren't affected by the Anti-Matter Wave because they were in the Anti-Matter Universe while the Anti-Monitor and everyone else was fighting at the Dawn of Time. Upon the climax, the multiverse became only two, the positive matter and the anti-matter universes. Earth's heroes and villains that were present at the battle at the dawn of time were revived and some were placed back into the timestream while some others were there without a past except to the others that were at the dawn of time. The Anti-Monitor was also sent back to the anti-matter universe, his origin.
- Green Lantern Vol 2 #194 November 1985
- The Anti-Monitor blasts a bunch of Guardians, killing them.
- Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #203 August 1986
- Ub'x wasn't erased during the crisis. Holding against the Anti-Matter wave for an instant, his entire body was converted into pure energy. The other lanterns didn't face the same uncomprehendable force trying to wipe them out of existance.
- "I've lost control of the power that kept me alive through the crisis! It seems I'm going to die after all!"
- His new body was turning back into energy, and Chip reversed that.
- Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #214 July 1987
- Ub'x say's that his sucker stick allowed him to survive the shift in reality.
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Excuse me, but can you create a separate thread for that? What we discuss here is pre crisis flash rating.
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Sorry about that.
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No problem. I just think that we shoudn't derail.
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Can Barry have mid-low regen because of this?Da Lunge Fish said:
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I suppose that seems fine.
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Ok. Thanks.
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I'm pretty sure your cells are disassembled when you melt, so I think that should count as Regenerationn.Firestorm808 said:
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I've been updating my Feat timelines to include debunked feats, but I haven't heard from the other members yet.
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Which feats are being debunked specifically? Also we should probably include that in Discussion Rules and maybe also the relevant profiles/verse pages once Firestorm808 is done.
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Do you all think anti matter canon is tier 2 feat or not?
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Well,if he only needed to destroy the machine, wouldn't he have to just punch it?
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Here https://www.quora.com/Who-is-the-faster-Flash-Barry-or-Wally he says: "My only hope, my universe's only hope is that I can generate more energy than this thing can take. Is this a proof or not? I am not exactly sure.
