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1. It's @Twellas 's blog, so he can do a much better job than me.Can you:
1) Summarise all of the relevant genius or extraordinary genius level intelligence feats here please?
2) List all of the current wiki calculation blogs that still need to be evaluated?
3) Copy-paste all of the other relevant HnK calculations and their visual evidence to another wiki blog, so we can ask to get them evaluated as well?
-Having mastered around 300 martial arts (applies to everyone in the verse)1) Summarise all of the relevant genius or extraordinary genius level intelligence feats here please?
Okay.1. It's @Twellas 's blog, so he can do a much better job than me.
Yes, that is correct. We only use wiki calculation blogs nowadays.2. I mean, didn't I just list them? Are you saying you want a list of just the wiki ones?
Okay. Thanks.3. Maybe, but I'll have to do it later.
Thank you. I suppose that seems fine then.-Having mastered around 300 martial arts (applies to everyone in the verse)
-Mastering a martial art (Hokuto Shinken) that not even people who have mastered said 300 martial arts could use efficiently
-Having approximately 2000 years worth of combat experience
-Being able to literally bend fate with skill alone
-Being able to master a martial art in all of its aspects after seeing it once, even martial arts that scale to Hokuto in complexity
-Being able to know everything about that martial art's history and function after seeing it once
-Being able to instantly come up with a technique that power-negs the opponent's
-Being able to recognize a person off of the percentage of bodily acid contained within a single sweat drop
-Having like, 4 forms of skill-related precognition
-Being able to visualise every single possible blind spot an opponent could possibly have
-Being able to stealth through buildings full of martial artists
There's more, which I wrote on the document along with all the context
Well, i know that this will not be able to convince you but, i found this wikipedia page and there's this segment about the Nyoninzo and This is said. and they also used the Fist of the North Star X Fist of the Blue Sky Guidebook as source, and while reading SNK, it gave the impression that it was supossed to be the same ritual that Kenshiro did (but that's just me) But even if we consider that they both did a different ritual, i don't see how this would put Kasumi above Ken in any way. Also if we assume that they both did a different ritual, we will have to get rid of Summoning for Kenshiro, since Kasumi only used that technique thanks to his ritual, and we never have seen Kenshiro do it. We also would need to get rid of the resistance to Hokuto based pressure point attacks to Kasumi, since Ken only gained that thanks to his ritual, and we never have seen Kasumi having something similar or even talk about that, granted he never fought another Hokuto master after the ritual, but still, if you belive that they did different rituals there's no reason to belive that they gained the same abilities. I personaly belive that it was the same, it's just that the HNK just only mention Shuken. Also both rituals gave a power boost to both Ken and Kasumi"this was obviously retconned" is not an argument. Prove it. That's a wiki article, it doesn't matter
Koryu never said that. Well Koryu was trained under by Tenshin (Kasumi's father) and alongside Ryuken (Kasumi's brother) i think that it's very unlikely that he never heard nothing about such a legendary fighter as Kasumi.and still says that all of the three put together made Hokuto "the strongest it's ever been", also, prove Koryu knew of Kasumi and how strong he was
Yeah, you're right i don't think it's usable for the wiki, but i don't think that the guy was lying tho, he even gave the pages where it was stated.using a second hand account from a forum of a guide nobody knows anything about is not valid, especially when the translation is nigh unintellegible.
I would but it's very hard to find avalible to sell in my country and the few ones that i found are super expensive.Get a copy of the book, have it translated, and then maybe we can have a talk about that.
Well he did not had Anryu Tenha, his Matoki was not even as strong Juukei's if we go by feats, Liu was not a "Majin" and Liu got deafeated by Kasumi before Kasumi even did it the initiation ritual. Meaning that Kasumi beat him without the need of a power boost.Kaioh is deadlier than Liu? Based on what exactly?
Well it doesn't really say that Ryuken is as powerful as Kaioh, since Kaioh listed as 5 in power while Ryuken is 4, but this i quite different from the statement in HNK X SNK Guide, since this one takes things like strength, looks, charisma and ect... to account. In HNK X SNK Guide it seems to be a fullbown statement by WOG.And you really wanna go on about word of god from guides? the Sekimatsu Haou Retsuden guide has prime Ryuken on the same level as Kaioh and End of Series Ken; the manga itself>guides and WOG regardless
Well in a fight between 2 equals Hokuto fighters, every technique should come in handWhich is irrelevant, I don't understand why you'd bring up him mastering a bunch of fodder martial arts when talking about him surpassing the power of Hokuto
About Kasumi obtaining the fullest for of Hokuto. When the Taoist said that, he was talking about the initiation ritual, and yeah the initiation ritual grants knowlege about Hokuto Soke and Hokuto Shinken at it's fullest, it also grants knowlege about all of the previous users, so he likely learned the previous masters techniques, but none of them had mastered MT, and even then MT cannot be mastered just by view.The only headcanon I see here is yours, tell me, how could Kasumi have obtained "the fullest for of Hokuto" without having mastered Musou Tensei?
Well if Kasumi used MT at will at least one time, we would have 100% proof that he mastered MT. But since he never did that, we do not have.Him not using it is not an argument, he has yet to fight anyone who pushes him to go all out, let alone use Musou Tensei;
That comparasion doesn't make much sense, Soryu Tenha is a technique that can be teached to others successors, while MT can't be teached. so there's much more chance of Kenshiro learning ST than Kasumi "learning" MT. not to mention that we've know that Kenshiro learned the Tenha Kassatsu, a technique invented by Kasumi, so i don't see why Ken would not have learned the Soryu Tenha.by the same logic, can you show me Ken using Soryu Tenha? No? Must mean Ken never mastered that move.
There is context. When the Taoist said that, he was talking about the initiation ritual, and yeah the initiation ritual grants knowlege about Hokuto Soke and Hokuto Shinken at it's fullest, it also grants knowlege about all of the previous users, so he likely learned the previous masters techniques, but none of them had mastered MT, and even then, MT cannot be mastered just by view.none of this matters, it's your word against an omniscient being in the series, you not thinking that Kasumi has the prerequisites to obtain Musou Tensei doesn't matter. It's not a matter of "taking at face value", it's a very simple, straight forward statement with next to no context to it, so, unless you wanna prove the taoist wrong, no amount of "i think" and "maybe it's an hyperbole" will change annything.
You seemed to agree with the Revive statement about Raoh a while ago. Also where do the Revive statement contradtics the manga ?I don't disregard Raoh's statements, i actually look at the context and recognize the fact that they were written before Kasumi was a thing, and we know for a fact that Buronson never planned ahead, so it's not like you could say that they already had his character in mind when writing that. the REvive statement is blatantly unusable since it's a secondary source (a game) contraddicting the main source (the manga).
Here are all the wiki blogs/calcs that need to be evaluated:Okay.
Yes, that is correct. We only use wiki calculation blogs nowadays.
Okay. Thanks.
People change their mindYou can say that Kasumi had the fullest form of Hokuto at the time, but there's nothing that confirms that he mastered MT. You also seemed to agree that Kasumi did not mastered MT.
Doesn't matter, the statement would be factually incorrect if Kasumi hadn't mastered Musou Tensei, you can't have "the fullest form" of a martial art without mastering its most important techniqueThere is context. When the Taoist said that, he was talking about the initiation ritual, and yeah the initiation ritual grants knowlege about Hokuto Soke and Hokuto Shinken at it's fullest, it also grants knowlege about all of the previous users, so he likely learned the previous masters techniques, but none of them had mastered MT, and even then, MT cannot be mastered just by view.
literally no part of my comment implied that I agreed with that specific segment of the description, I don't have an issue with the description as a whole, just that passage.You seemed to agree with the Revive statement about Raoh a while ago.
uuhhh in the fact that Kenshiro, while very clearly still not unlocking the full power of Hokuto, whooped Raoh's ass? The statement clearly says Raoh>Hokuto, which is demonstrably false and just makes no senseAlso where do the Revive statement contradtics the manga ?
Kasumi wasn't even in Buronson's imagination when he had Raoh say that.
Already explained why that's unusableRaoh after obtaining MT was stated to have suparssed Hokuto's power itself, Hokuto Legends Revive is supervised by Hara himself, and Hara said that is very faithfull to the manga
...no, not really, Kasumi can still do a ton of stuff like burn him from the inside out with Seito Gekken techniques, chi drain his ass, turn him to dust... Why does that matter at all in a matter of AP?Kenshiro mastered MT and gained immunity to Hokuto arts, something that's very not clear for Kasumi. and without those, Kasumi would certainly lose a fight against Ken.
... I... don't really care about how many people think that, it's a baseless assumption. Oh, what's this? Here's Yasaka tanking an actual strike from the actual goddess of Hokuto and not through some proxy!and even tho, you don't agree with me on this, i'm not the only one who interpreted this feat in this way. so it's not like i'm the only one making this up.
Well, it for sure retcons every statement from Raoh, because, as I've already said, the Ryuken who gave that statement is the same who has a direct scaling chain that puts him above Musou Tensei Raoh. With these out of the way, the only real statement Ken has is the Sekimatsu one.The first statement is Ryken saying that Kasumi was the most powerful man of Hokuto, well it's pretty clear that this doesn't retcon Kenshiro being the most powerful, since at the time Ryuken said that, Kenshiro was just a newborn, and Kasumi was infact the strongest at the time. As far as i recall Ryuken didn't even did the initiation ritual. Also i just want to correct something that you said earlier about Ryuken.
The taoist is pretty clearly talking AFTER Kasumi is already dead, the phrase "The time has come to tell the legend of the blue sky" means that said "legend" has already ended; given how the narration is presented as a sort of flashback, you could argue that it's set during or even after the events of HNK.The second statement is The Taoist saying that Kasumi is the strongest man of Hokuto. The Taoist is treated as some sort of omniscient entity in SNK (although i don't remember all of his omniscience feats) the thing is that, The Taoist himself said that he could not read Hokuto users destiny so he probably was not able to say if other Hokuto man would surpass Kasumi, but at the time, he knew that Kasumi was the best. This is also suported by the fact that during the fight between Toki and Raoh, Kenshiro stated that not even god could predict the outcome of their battle. therefore not even the destiny knew which one was the best.
Nah, I don't think so, unless Regenesis gives us some more feats. All the MFTL+ stuff is from Souten no Ken regardless and that stuff doesn't only scale to the god tiers, hell, one of the feats comes from a guy Kasumi fodderisesWill there be a future CRT about the speed of God Tiers being MFTL+?
1. Here ya go: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...asumi_holds_up_a_large_staff_and_a_steel_ball@Eseseso Can you post the Kasumi calc you sent a few pages ago? The Lifting Strength one
Kasumi's mother was like, 500 years old or something like that, though it's implied that she isn't even human, so...2. By the way, would you happen to know by any chance if there is anything in the entirety of FOTNS about any of the characters using their powers for a longer lifespan/longevity? Just curious.
Are you sure? Where does it say she's 500 years old?Kasumi's mother was like, 500 years old or something like that, though it's implied that she isn't even human, so...
500 is an estimate, all I remember is that she's supposed to be older than any human could possibly be, but she isn't human, Kasumi couldn't smell her nor sense her aura, she's implied to be a spirit akin to the taoistAre you sure? Where does it say she's 500 years old?
Also, she looks really good for that age lol.
Okay. I will ask for evaluation help, but would appreciate if you copy all of the calculations not featured in our wiki to a blog post there, and then link to it here, as well.Here are all the wiki blogs/calcs that need to be evaluated:
1. Of course, there's this, and IIRC @Twellas said that he felt like it was best to use the 2100 meter range and that he believed that both the 1/34.3 second and the 1/220 second could be used since given Raoh's speed both speeds were probable.
2. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...the_North_Star_Assorted_Feats_(2)#Soryu_Tenra
3. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:KLOL506/RaohCalc
I will likely do one for all the non-wiki calcs later, but I would like to request that even after we look at these feats, we also wait somewhat until the non-wiki ones are looked at.
I'll likely do it later.Okay. I will ask for evaluation help, but would appreciate if you copy all of the calculations not featured in our wiki to a blog post there, and then link to it here, as well.
Here ya go! Hope it helps!Okay. I will ask for evaluation help, but would appreciate if you copy all of the calculations not featured in our wiki to a blog post there, and then link to it here, as well.
@Mr._Bambu @Therefir @DMUA @DemonGodMitchAubin @Armorchompy
Would any of you be willing to evaluate the calculations linked above, and then tell us here, please?
Here are all the wiki blogs/calcs that need to be evaluated:
1. Of course, there's this, and IIRC @Twellas said that he felt like it was best to use the 2100 meter range and that he believed that both the 1/34.3 second and the 1/220 second could be used since given Raoh's speed both speeds were probable.
2. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...the_North_Star_Assorted_Feats_(2)#Soryu_Tenra
3. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:KLOL506/RaohCalc
I will likely do one for all the non-wiki calcs later, but I would like to request that even after we look at these feats, we also wait somewhat until the non-wiki ones are looked at.
@DMUA @DemonGodMitchAubin @Jasonsith @Armorchompy @KieranH10 @Psychomaster35 @Amelia_Lonelyheart @DragonGamerZ913Here ya go! Hope it helps!
being a reincarnation of a guy doesn't automatically make you as strong as the og, we aren't even sure they are reincarnations, let alone the mechanics behind itI have a question for people who think Kasumi is stronger than Ken, is it not actually redundant?. Kenshiro is heavily implied to be the reincarnation of Kasumi and kasumi is outright shown to have had multiple incarnations throughout history. you can clearly a young boy centuries in the past in the Souten no Ken manga who is shown with his brothers and they all look almost identical to Ken, Raoh and Toki.
I apologise for my ignorance.being a reincarnation of a guy doesn't automatically make you as strong as the og, we aren't even sure they are reincarnations, let alone the mechanics behind it
How did you come to the estimate of her being 500?500 is an estimate, all I remember is that she's supposed to be older than any human could possibly be, but she isn't human, Kasumi couldn't smell her nor sense her aura, she's implied to be a spirit akin to the taoist
I didn't, I just threw out a big numberHow did you come to the estimate of her being 500?
Because "older than any human could be" could be just 150 years old.
nah, no problemI apologise for my ignorance.
Actually, I did some internet surfing, and I couldn't find anything about Kasumi's mother being a goddess or being older than any humanI didn't, I just threw out a big number
I'll try my best, but even if I can manage to copy the needed calcs, that'll take some time.@Eseseso
As I mentioned within your blog post, you need to copy the full calculations to there in different sections, not just link to them.
I'm not sure if that was accepted so uh...@KLOL506
Can you post this in a regular calculation blog please?
KLOL506/RaohCalc
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