- 2,677
- 780
btw, they dropped Garuda in Legends Revive, it's again confirmed that he punches at the speed of light not once, but twice
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So would it be SOL or FTL FOST?btw, they dropped Garuda in Legends Revive, it's again confirmed that he punches at the speed of light not once, but twice
FTL, Garuda is fodderSo would it be SOL or FTL FOST?
NiceFTL, Garuda is fodder
That I knew lol, but would he scale to FTL then?uuuuhhhhhh depends on how Souther's and his feats are calc'd, but he's nowhere near end of series Ken
Using the scaling @Twellas made:What is the calculation basis for the 5-C statistics?
literally 0 speculation about the numbers, we are presenting the bare minimum multipliersHmm. If you are just speculating about most of those numbers, it seems safer to just place him at "At least High 6-A, likely higher" instead.
The only "debateable" one is for Hyoh's unlocking potential, and even then @Twellas has already stated why he believes it is a similar multiplier to Tenryu Kokyu Ho in terms of its power multiplier.Where are those multipliers derived from? We generally do not accept using them unless they are linear and stated outright for a series.
It's not even that "I believe" it's comparable to Tenryu, it's shown, Ken at 100% is weaker than Kaioh, then he gets the awakening boost and he's stronger than a guy who is equal to Kaioh while at 30%, it's extremely straight forwardThe only "debateable" one is for Hyoh's unlocking potential, and even then @Twellas has already stated why he believes it is a similar multiplier to Tenryu Kokyu Ho in terms of its power multiplier.
@Twellas can do a much better job of this than I can.Can somebody write a post with easy to understand (but sufficiently thorough) explanations for the multipliers, including exactly what all of them are based on, so I can call some other staff members to help take a look at this please?
Tenryu Kokyu Oh boosts Ken's power by 3.3 times, we know this is due to explicit statements from Ken himself that his base uses 30% of his power while Tenryu Kokyu Oh allows him to achieve 100%. This is already accepted by the wiki.Can somebody write a post with easy to understand (but sufficiently thorough) explanations for the multipliers, including exactly what all of them are based on, so I can call some other staff members to help take a look at this please?
@Promestein @SomebodyData @Dragonmasterxyz @Celestial_Pegasus @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @OgbunabaliTenryu Kokyu Oh boosts Ken's power by 3.3 times, we know this is due to explicit statements from Ken himself that his base uses 30% of his power while Tenryu Kokyu Oh allows him to achieve 100%. This is already accepted by the wiki.
when it comes to the Awakening multiplier, it's directly derived from Tenryu Kokyu Oh: Ken fights Kaioh while at 100% and gets stomped
Hyoh is presented, and he's shown to be equal if not superior to Kaioh, he's stated to have the same aura as him and Kaioh considers him to be superior to post-awakening Kenshiro, who Kaioh himself deemed "a worthy opponent", now, while Kaioh is wrong in thinking so, it doesn't matter to our scaling, since the most important point is the fact that he considered himself to be relative to post-awakening Ken while he considers Hyoh to be decisely superior, meaning that Kaioh considers Hyoh to be at least as strong as himself.
Ken ragdolls Hyoh while using 30% of his power (We know for a fact that he's only using 30% because he has his shirt on, going Tenryu is consistently shown to bust it up)
TL;DR: Pre-Awakening 100% Kenshiro got stomped by Kaioh
Post-Awakening 30% Kenshiro stomped a guy equal to Kaioh
Seems like a very straight-forward multiplier, a direct application of an already consolidated multiplier
Now, Hyoh goes through the same process, we know it's exactly the same because we are told so, on top of Hyoh and Ken being blood brothers, as such, it's more than fair to assume that Hyoh received the same power boost due to it, after which, he's shown to be equal (if slightly weaker) to 30% Kenshiro (He doesn't have a shirt here, but only because one of Hyoh's attacks destroyed it, you can clearly see that he never powers up)
TL;DR: Hyoh's Awakening should grant him a boost equal to Ken's due to the process being the exact same
I'm fine with the 3x multiplier in general. But if the OP is trying to propose using a calced value and multiply it for the baseline, and then using that multiplied value and adding another multiplier on top of it, that would be a hard no from me.@Promestein @SomebodyData @Dragonmasterxyz @Celestial_Pegasus @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Ogbunabali
Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this please?
why?I'm fine with the 3x multiplier in general. But if the OP is trying to propose using a calced value and multiply it for the baseline, and then using that multiplied value and adding another multiplier on top of it, that would be a hard no from me.
Because we don't stack multipliers like that. That goes against so many of our standards and it results in highly inflated statistics.why?
so, basically because it's "against the rules" and not for any fault in the reasoning, right?Because we don't stack multipliers like that. That goes against so many of our standards and it results in highly inflated statistics.
Hmm.Like I said, we do exactly that for the DBS speed, since I see a bunch of multipliers there, so it's kind of baffling that DBS gets to stack multipliers but not FOTNS.
Our policy on multiplier stacking is that the total increase that is happening after stacking, would require as much burden of proof.Do you have any information about this?
For me to be able to give any thoughts, I would need:Do you have any thoughts about this?
@Twellas can do a much better job with that than I can.For me to be able to give any thoughts, I would need:
1. The accepted multiplier.
2. The total multiplier that comes from stacking.
3. The base feat upon which the total multiplier is being used on.
4. And any evidence that can fulfill the burden of proof needed to accept the total multiplier.