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Are those abilities Kenshiro specific or what?
Because I plan to make a touki page and group abilities by tier.
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Because I plan to make a touki page and group abilities by tier.
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That seems good, the only ability that is Kenshiro specific is Supernatural Willpower
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I am a bit busy at work actually.
Well I can assure what is accepted in the "accepted tallies" can be applied towards all Fist Of The North Star profiles accordingly.
However, the new abilities suggested in page 6 in this thread is subject to further compile into one "touki" page.
Well I can assure what is accepted in the "accepted tallies" can be applied towards all Fist Of The North Star profiles accordingly.
However, the new abilities suggested in page 6 in this thread is subject to further compile into one "touki" page.
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Hey, I found a comment on the Assorted Feats page that points this out:
Kaioh's matouki warps a bunch of clouds that were perfectly fine before:
This is consistent with other statements and showings, such as Juukei stating that if his matouki is let loose "a disaster of unmeasurable proportions will occur", Kaioh's aura being shown to tower over an entire town (it's not some sort of metaphor for Kaioh being evil, because this is shown to be the literal physical shape that the matouki takes) or a giant hole in the clouds materialising during his first fight with Ken.
Whatever the result is, it would scale to 100% pre-seals Ken, as he was able to tank numerous touki blasts from Kaioh with relatively small damage.
Kaioh's matouki warps a bunch of clouds that were perfectly fine before:
This is consistent with other statements and showings, such as Juukei stating that if his matouki is let loose "a disaster of unmeasurable proportions will occur", Kaioh's aura being shown to tower over an entire town (it's not some sort of metaphor for Kaioh being evil, because this is shown to be the literal physical shape that the matouki takes) or a giant hole in the clouds materialising during his first fight with Ken.
Whatever the result is, it would scale to 100% pre-seals Ken, as he was able to tank numerous touki blasts from Kaioh with relatively small damage.
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Is somebody experienced willing to handle this please?
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Before the upgrade (likely done at the weekend),
A new challenger has entered the ring
I mean our data is being challenged. Mainly on the nuke feat. They used an older version of the cloud splitting feat so I think we can skip on that part.
I would like to hear your comments before the scheduled yet suspended changes.
A new challenger has entered the ring
I mean our data is being challenged. Mainly on the nuke feat. They used an older version of the cloud splitting feat so I think we can skip on that part.
I would like to hear your comments before the scheduled yet suspended changes.
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I mean, the calc does completely ditch surface area, which would lower the feat dramatically
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You should probably ask other calc group members for input about that kind of issue.
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What do you think @Jasonsith ?
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Reading
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Short note: the Deviant Art calculations are redux of the calculations done by our staff and G1 bloggers.
Which means we have at least 3 possibly 4 calculations of the same sets of feats done by FOTNS characters.
We need to choose or just stick to what I have established.
Or minimum you want me to do a redux on the nuke feat.
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Um, I think it's best if we see a list of potential results for each of the calcs and go from there.
On a side note, what do you think about Kaioh parting clouds as I mentioned above? Is that a potentially good calc?
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If you list the versions that we have available in blogs in our wiki, I can ask some other calc group members to help you select the most reliable ones to use.
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It would be better if I list and compare them with my blog before the crew made the decision. In fact it is WIP in my blog.
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Ok, I'm back to finish what I've started, I feel like I have an obligation to help out with this verse I love and worked on so much
I've also been keeping up with the REGENESIS sequel, which contains some new abilities and scaling, so ask away for anything you might need to know, it also has some feats (A guy is also stated by the narrator to be capable of "obliterating stars"...)
On top of this, I also made a comprehensive DOC regarding the skill of the verse, upgrading pretty much every High Tier to Extraordinary Genius and almost every character in the verse to Genius, I guess
I personally buy into the FTL scaling for multiple reasons, which I can get into if y'all are interested
I've also been keeping up with the REGENESIS sequel, which contains some new abilities and scaling, so ask away for anything you might need to know, it also has some feats (A guy is also stated by the narrator to be capable of "obliterating stars"...)
On top of this, I also made a comprehensive DOC regarding the skill of the verse, upgrading pretty much every High Tier to Extraordinary Genius and almost every character in the verse to Genius, I guess
I personally buy into the FTL scaling for multiple reasons, which I can get into if y'all are interested
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The matter of calculating Jagi's feat's surface area was already discussed in the second page of this thread, this is what came of it
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Thank you for helping out.
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Would you be willing to take a look at this please?
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I'm curious about what you have to say on this
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Okay Jagi tanked a nuke and can barely scratch Kenshiro who one-punch a bunker that can tank a nuke. Jagi does scale fron the nuke strike. At least to the fireball at the epicenter.
Like, throw in the feat and calculations already so I can evaluate and give an accept chop or rework chop or reject chop.
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Btw, not to rush you, but how is that assorted feats page 2 coming along? Are you going to look at the "Kaioh parting clouds feat I mentioned"?
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I am definitely interested to see this!
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I have no calculation, I just have further context to back the stuff we have:
I don't need to get into Garuda's statement, it's valid, punching at the speed of light is literally the whole point of his martial art, the only problem is that it's ""outlierish"" as it is and it's just a statement
Han's statements, it's stated that "nobody has even seen" the shadow of Han's fists, which seems like a throwaway, boasting line, if it wasn't for the fact that we are literally shown that his, along with Ken's fists, have no shadow, along with being completely invisible to "normal" people (contrary to popular belief, Shachi couldn't keep up with their punches, they were totally invisible to him, it's just that he could make out their shape by looking at the sparys of blood they let out).
The idea of this just being an art oversight is absolutely inconceivable once you look at Hara as a person, he personally supervises every single piece of media that is FotNS related to judge the aesthetic, even the mobile games, and is a notorious pain in the ass when it comes to graphical fidelity for FotNS media. On top of this, I think we can all agree that an artist who draws like this is not the type of guy to forget about drawing shadows, especially when he had already drawn it under both Han and Kenshiro's bodies
The same thing happens with Liu and Kasumi while they fight using the Keikojutsu, they are completely invisible to people who don't have feats of seeing them beforehand and they project no shadow whastoever (you can see that while the Tai Hu stones they are right next to project a long shadow, they don't).
Add on top of this the fact that they have no true counterfeat when it comes to combat-speed, they are at their peak when they display these feats,along with the fact that Kasumi arguably scales to the incarnation of Hokuto, who can casually fly at MFTL+ speeds, I don't see why FTL wouldn't be acceptable, the only possible problem is that Garuda's statement might possibly scale to "lower tier characters" like Huey and Ryaku, but who cares, it's not like they do have counterfeats outside of getting murked by the protags
I don't need to get into Garuda's statement, it's valid, punching at the speed of light is literally the whole point of his martial art, the only problem is that it's ""outlierish"" as it is and it's just a statement
Han's statements, it's stated that "nobody has even seen" the shadow of Han's fists, which seems like a throwaway, boasting line, if it wasn't for the fact that we are literally shown that his, along with Ken's fists, have no shadow, along with being completely invisible to "normal" people (contrary to popular belief, Shachi couldn't keep up with their punches, they were totally invisible to him, it's just that he could make out their shape by looking at the sparys of blood they let out).
The idea of this just being an art oversight is absolutely inconceivable once you look at Hara as a person, he personally supervises every single piece of media that is FotNS related to judge the aesthetic, even the mobile games, and is a notorious pain in the ass when it comes to graphical fidelity for FotNS media. On top of this, I think we can all agree that an artist who draws like this is not the type of guy to forget about drawing shadows, especially when he had already drawn it under both Han and Kenshiro's bodies
The same thing happens with Liu and Kasumi while they fight using the Keikojutsu, they are completely invisible to people who don't have feats of seeing them beforehand and they project no shadow whastoever (you can see that while the Tai Hu stones they are right next to project a long shadow, they don't).
Add on top of this the fact that they have no true counterfeat when it comes to combat-speed, they are at their peak when they display these feats,
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What are there in terms of feats? And what does Jagi nuke feat get to.
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I also personally think that using the number of strikes claimed in the move is fine in this context, since it's consistent along all pieces of FotNS related media, that these numbers are accurate, the Hyakuretsuken is shown to strike 100 times in ALL its incarnations, be it moviess or games, same goes with Hyoh's 1109 strikes, it's shown to be accurate in the Legends Revive Mobile game, which is openly endorsed and supervised by Hara himself, even with fodder characters like Jagi, who would logically be more prone to give hyperbolic names, his Senjukaiken clearly strikes at bare minimum 1 time a number of enemies that is extremely close to 1000, same with Baran's Shichin Tensho, "Seven Point Palm", 7 hands (at bare minimum) on-pannel. With this in mind, why should the Manju Maonken or the Tento Kogai Sho be any different from these? Just because the number is higher? That's not a good reason.
But this is just me
But this is just me
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Raoh, Ken and sick Toki are all stated to already scale above Kasumi, though this is... debatable, given some of the stuff we are told in Souten no Ken and REGENESIS, but for now, this is the accepted meta, early Ken, Toki and Raoh scale above Kasumi.
For now, Kasumi casually holds up a huge ass Iron ball along with a big ass staff while being 30% and life-drained (the guys holding said weapons are ridiculously huge, here's a pannel that shows Kasumi right next to them, Kasumi is around 6 feet tall so, logically, the weapons are also ridiculously big), so, a LS feat. Kasumi also straight up goes "oh, y'all drain life with your attacks, uh? Well, I'm just gonna create a power up that completely nullifies that on the fly", and a guy he's with has a technique that burns enemies from the inside out and negates regeneration that is good enough to completely negate Hokuto's pressure points, which let you do this kind of damage. Given how Hokuto works, Kasumi, Ken, Toki, Ryuken and Raoh should be able to do the same. Also, as I said, a guy Kasumi will probably go on to fight and beat (the series is still ongoing) is straight up stated to be able to obliterate stars by the narrator
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I'll be watching this! I've wanted to get back to Fist of the North Star for a while now, and this might be good.
Also, good to see ya again, Twellas!
Also, good to see ya again, Twellas!
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What happens in SNK and regenesis?
also would you like to see some recalcs of the Jagi feat?
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Ken is heavily, HEAVILY implied to be a reincarnation of Kasumi, also Kasumi is outright stated to be the strongest Hokuto successor by an omniscient character. It's already shown that the "the successor is always better than the predecessor" rule Hokuto has doesn't work with Kasumi, as a prime Ryuken states that Kasumi was stronger than him.
Yeah, sure
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I don't nearly know enough about any of this stuff to evaluate this.
On a sidenote, Kaioh can cover the entire sky in thick black clouds in a matter of a few frames (or completely warp every single cloud in the sky, depends on whether you use the anime or the manga, I guess the anime's feat is easier to quantify and calculate) and he's stated by Juukei, who lived through this, to be able to unleash "a disaster of immeasurable proportions", so I don't think Jagi's feat is all that relevant to the top tiers anymore
On a sidenote, Kaioh can cover the entire sky in thick black clouds in a matter of a few frames (or completely warp every single cloud in the sky, depends on whether you use the anime or the manga, I guess the anime's feat is easier to quantify and calculate) and he's stated by Juukei, who lived through this, to be able to unleash "a disaster of immeasurable proportions", so I don't think Jagi's feat is all that relevant to the top tiers anymore
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Wow, when did this happen ?
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