Firestorm Upgrade

[Eden_Warlock99]

• Brightest Day Vol 1 #10 | November 2010
  • Firestorm (When he's agitated) has the chances of triggering a new big bang that would destroy all of existence
  • so he should be "4-B, Low 2-C when agitated" or maybe another key since this is after he fully bonded with the firestorm matrix and became more powerful than he could imagine

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Seems fine but I'd definitely like a citation.

 

[Waka1979]

Interesting.

 

[Confluctor]

I think it should be possibly because of lack of proper feats.

 

[Greenshifter]

Low 2-C when agitated seems good to me. Just a question though, how knowledgeable is that professor on the cosmology of DC?

 

[Cropfist]

I agree with this.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Thanks for the added citations and context!
Yeah, a new key seems fine, and it only makes sense for the full power of the Matrix to be Universal since it's the big bang.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

The only problem I have is that Big Bang may or may not mean time-space explosion, it may be a material Big Bang.

 

[Confluctor]

Yeah it's way to vague to give him this high rating. Wish he had more feats or statements around it tho

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I agree. Firestorm is consistently shown as superior to most DC heralds and I think he fought Captain Atom once

 

[Greenshifter]

The only problem I have is that Big Bang may or may not mean time-space explosion, it may be a material Big Bang.

The matrix captured the spark that caused the original Big Bang, which is a space-time “explosion”. Also Big Bangs are usually assumed to be low 2-C unless contradicted.

 

[Waka1979]

The scans literally describe it as being "one giant ctrl alt del button for the universe" if that's not evidence of space time creation then I don't know what is.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

The matrix captured the spark that caused the original Big Bang, which is a space-time “explosion”. Also Big Bangs are usually assumed to be low 2-C unless contradicted.

Ok

 

[Waka1979]

Anyways giving him a separate key for this seems unnecessary. I suggest something like "4-B normally, at least low 2-C at full power".

 

[Greenshifter]

Low 2-C at full power sounds a bit misleading. I don’t know if he’d be able to actually utilize that power for anything but accidentally destroying the universe. Unless you’re arguing he should be able to utilize this power under regular circumstances since he is essentially powered by said spark?

 

[Waka1979]

I agree. Firestorm is consistently shown as superior to most DC heralds and I think he fought Captain Atom once

He did but he was pretty clearly outclassed.

 

[Confluctor]

I agree. Firestorm is consistently shown as superior to most DC heralds and I think he fought Captain Atom once

They fought a few times to my knowledge, but was outclassed pretty much every time by Cap. And that was the usual restricted Cap.

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this?

 

[Zensum]

Seems fine but I'd definitely like a citation.

I agree. It's a L2-C detonation feat, but it will probably need a note about the circumstances.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Low 2-C with a note is fine.

 

[Firestorm808]

It would be a seprate key due to the upgrade from his previous connection to the Matrix.

 

[Newendigo]

It seems that his deeper bond with the matrix made him stronger than his base form, but I don't think that new form should be Low 2-C.

The scans stated that he is more unstable, and that the conflicting personalities will trigger a big bang self-detonation, which of course wouldn't scale to his physicals.

I do say a new key can be worded as "At least Solar System level (Stronger than before after gaining a deeper bond with the matrix), Low 2-C with the Big Bang after becoming agitated enough" (Will explode into a new Big Bang that resets the universe if he is too emotionally unstable). Or something along those lines.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Would his durability scale to the Big Bang? (You two blow up, and everything in existence will be destroyed, leaving only the two of you)

 

[Eficiente]

Yeah, separate key also at 4-B and Low 2-C when agitated via that Big Bang and in durability, but not his ability to punch others and normal abilities.

 

[Firestorm808]

Could you provide the comic issues for the scans you have given so far?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Could you provide the comic issues for the scans you have given so far?

Brightest Day #10

 

[Firestorm808]

Both scans are from brightest day?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Both scans are from brightest day?

yes

 

[Firestorm808]

Ah, thank you.

 

[Planck69]

"4-B, Low 2-C via Big Bang when agitated" seems fine.

Though it seems to imply he'll have Low 2-C durability too, while agitated.

 

[Waka1979]

"4-B, Low 2-C via Big Bang when agitated" seems fine.

Though it seems to imply he'll have Low 2-C durability too, while agitated.

I agree with this

 

[Sandman31]

I'm fine with 4-B, Low 2-C via big bang and a different key since this Firestorm is the Ronnie + Jason Firestorm

 

[Sandman31]

Also, just remembered that they did explode in BD #16 -17. No universe were destroyed because they were merely transported into the Anti-Matter Universe. The big bang statements could be a fake out or maybe them being transported prevented the destruction of the universe.
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[Eficiente]

separate key also at 4-B and Low 2-C when agitated via that Big Bang and in durability, but not his ability to punch others and normal abilities.

Also, just remembered that they did explode in BD #16 -17. No universe were destroyed because they were merely transported into the Anti-Matter Universe. The big bang statements could be a fake out or maybe them being transported prevented the destruction of the universe.

I believe it's safe to say that they can do it but in that case they just didn't due to maybe not being agitated enough or being brought there somehow having prevented that. That said if it's just one big explosion then it's just 3-A.

 

[Firestorm808]

Considering that Ronnie and Jason Firestorm has a very limited appearance before New 52, one could argue the new connection being 3-A. He only really fights 1 being. In Brightest Day #22, we have a blast from a weakened Anti-Monitor splitting Ronnie and Jason.

 

[Musaabu02]

Firestorm (When he's agitated) has the chances of triggering a new big bang that would destroy all of existence (Brightest Day #10)

so he should be "4-B, Low 2-C when agitated" or maybe another key since this is after he fully bonded with the firestorm matrix and became more powerful than he could imagine

I agree to this

 

[Musaabu02]

Swwn

Would his durability scale to the Big Bang? (You two blow up, and everything in existence will be destroyed, leaving only the two of yo

I think so

 

[Antvasima]

Yeah, separate key also at 4-B and Low 2-C when agitated via that Big Bang and in durability, but not his ability to punch others and normal abilities.

It seems like you have all reached an agreement, but should we use Low 2-C or 3-A?

 

[Waka1979]

Maybe atleast 3-A possibly low 2-C?

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I still think we should add fighting Captain Atom as a support. Firestorm is generally outclassed but still a threat to him