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when she fights SBM, she has all the sousl of Amaterasu, Inca, Sumire and Iris
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Flawed take for two reasons:So your trying to tell me that Black-Blood can increase one's AP from like 6-C at best to 2-C? Meaning a gap of at least two infinities? Yeah I'm not buying that part.
The scaling might be legitimate but I'll be bent over a barrel and shown the 50 states if this isn't the outlier of the century. Like the scaling for Soul Eater is already inconsistent as it is with the feats presented.
he was the strongest of the eight legions, and killed all the witches of the east iirc.Pre black blood Asura is Unknown
Bare minimum 5-B from the start thenthat would put him above Excalibur, the great one of power and eibon, which means he is at least above dragonand base shinra since excalibur can cause him pain
Definitely agree on these two. Overall I'm neutral on FF - SE cross scaling as I haven't read FF myself so I can really only take others' word for it.Tbh I'm not sure how Shinra stating that he made Death more intimate and a little closer. It could just be me but at least the way that I'm seeing it, I'm not seeing how that statement equates Death being equal to himself.
I also really wouldn't use Death collecting Shinra's soul as evidence of him scaling. It's extremely obvious that Shinra was willing letting Death absorb his soul.
yerrrrSo, it has come to my attention that chapter 80 of Soul Eater gives lore to the meaning of the title God/True God, they are supreme beings who rule the cosmos. Noah and the great old of power share this, with Noah intending to replace Death's role by acquiring Asura. this lines up extremely well with the narrative intentions detailed in the op.
Death scales equally to Shinrabanshoman as he was created to be his equal and replacement as God, which is noted to be a role of power. Death also shows the ability to manipulate the souls of mankind as SBM and Haumea did, adding further support to being their equal.
This is fine because god is full of contradictions as Shinra states.
Shinra referring to Death as “lord” and him confiscating his powers as this scan shows doesn’t support the notion of Death scaling equally to Shinra either imo because Shinra was A. Clearly willingly relinquishing his power so Death can take over as “God” of the new world Shinra himself created. He also did not “absorb” any of the powers he took either he simply took them at Shinra’s behest.
Your points on what Death is the god of
I do not agree with saying Death scales equally to Shinrabanshoman as for one Shinra straight up not only made Death, but completely altered his concept as well.
So he created a concept, doesn't prove he scales above it.I do not agree with saying Death scales equally to Shinrabanshoman as for one Shinra straight up not only made Death, but completely altered his concept as well.
Again Shinra has conceptual hax then, not really a point to him being above Death.Shinra displayed that he could just manipulate Death itself where it became fundamentally different than it was before and he even went as far as to lessen the very value of life which goes hand in hand with Death. So Shinra can screw with life and death whenever he wants to when he’s in his godly form.
This doesn't seem to be a literal use of absolute, he's merely saying he won't make her regret being born into the world because he's bringing back her protector who died.This scan of Shinra saying Death is absolute doesn’t really support the notion because in the scan of Shinra saying “nothing is absolute” he literally makes a contradictory absolute statement of Haumea not regretting the world they live in.
Two different contexts, Haumea sees instincts and consciousness differently where Shinra doesn't but that doesn't make this now true nor does it mean it's an actual contradiction. And in terms of FF Death is an absolute being, hell this is even implied in SE that Death is one who has order over life and death something Shinra can control too.This is fine because god is full of contradictions as Shinra states. Shinra can call Death an absolute being with Death not truly being an absolute being in terms of Fire Force due to this contradiction Shinra knowingly allows.
He's capable of taking all the powers that make them strong as they are though, why wouldn't that have correlation to Death's own power? And idk why Shinra being willing makes it any more less about power when he also did this to everyone with powers who were or were not willing.Shinra referring to Death as “lord” and him confiscating his powers as this scan shows doesn’t support the notion of Death scaling equally to Shinra either imo because Shinra was A. Clearly willingly relinquishing his power so Death can take over as “God” of the new world Shinra himself created. He also did not “absorb” any of the powers he took either he simply took them at Shinra’s behest.
Probably be the last thing I comment on from ur post.But the main issue I have with Death is that….he demonstrates nothing on the capability of either Shinra or Adolla. He does not even contend with them in combat, the only indication is Shinra labeling Death as “God” that we are then suppose to assume means “God in absolute power” while demonstrates nothing if that indication.
As noted before “absolute entity” can be here meaning “ruler over death” as Shinra immediately points out after. Not “ruler over all of creation” as Shinra is cited. Shinra is still cited as being full of contradictions just like God is. So it’s in basis to contradict himself.This is before chapter 298, where Shinra comes to know the full meaning of what being God entails. In that chapter he comes to the full understanding that he had not considered the true root of Despair, and then makes Death. His words after 298 point toward him considering Death as an absolute entity.
Yes because Shinra is relinquishing his own powers as God so Death can now be God but I do not think that means he has the same power of God. Especially when Death’s own range for his own soul was literally like a city but Shinra is manipulating the souls of all of humanity simultaneously, showing he has a far greater extent of soul manipulation than Death does. (Also he resurrects literally all of humanity casually, something Death is never shown to be able to do.)Again this is meant as a parallel to Haumea calling Shinra as lord prior, when noting the meaning of the title of God. The point of specifying taking Shinra and co's powers is not that Death absorbed their power, rather to show Death functions the same as SBM and Haumea, in that he can affect the souls of all mankind, which is also stated to be the case in Soul Eater.
So if I’m recalling correctly I believe you’re talking about this scan here. This is something I will go into more in depth in my Adolla being Kishin post but to keep things short:Death is not just the god of death, but of order. Soul Eater establishes he is that and that some of the eight Great ones are his fragments. Shinra made Death to be his replacement and to solve the root of Despair. Death is also meant to fill the role of an actual God to mankind, whereas the evangelist is a falsehood.
This I take as supporting evidence to your claim because my main personal issue is the lack of showings or depictions on the matter of Death performing capabilities anywhere near the level of Shinra or Haumea (and the kind of messy scaling it creates by making Death 2-C), but I will take this as supporting statements to such claim.In soul eater, its noted True Gods, in this case Death, rule over the Cosmos, and that Death as the "Power of God", which makes him the strongest in the world.
Shinra’s power is the power over all of creation as Haumea cites. That is the power of Shinra as god. Death is meant to be the “ruler over death” as Shinra himself says. Death being “God” here can refer to Death being the god over death instead of the god over all of creation like Shinra.Haumea notes Shinra used his imagination AND the Power of God to make creation. AS you can see in the op, Ohkubo even years before Fire Force puts heavy focus on Death's Power of God. Haumea also affirms she and the Evangelist are not God, whereas Death is, which is further affirmed by Sho. this would automatically put Death Above the Collective Unconsciousness. As for feats, as mentioned prior, he affects the entire planet and changes even the established order. People become STRONGER than they were as pyrokinetics, so it's very consistent for the Soul Eater era to be on par with the FF era. Soul eater establishes he rules the cosmos, and its noted that the direct opposite of his wavelength, Asura can reshape the world (Archne planned on using to become the "mother of all things)
I’m just gonna comment on this part since I addressed the other notions but…Death (the character) is the concept of death. It’s the same thing.So he created a concept, doesn't prove he scales above it.
Again Shinra has conceptual hax then, not really a point to him being above Death.
Yes because Shinra is relinquishing his own powers as God so Death can now be God but I do not think that means he has the same power of God. Especially when Death’s own range for his own soul was literally like a city but Shinra is manipulating the souls of all of humanity simultaneously, showing he has a far greater extent of soul manipulation than Death does. (Also, he resurrects literally all of humanity casually, something Death is never shown to be able to do.)
So if I’m recalling correctly I believe you’re talking about this scan here. This is something I will go into more in depth in my Adolla being Kishin post but to keep things short:
Shinra’s power is the power over all of creation as Haumea cites. That is the power of Shinra as god. Death is meant to be the “ruler over death” as Shinra himself says. Death being “God” here can refer to Death being the god over death instead of the god over all of creation like Shinra.
So Death may be above the collective unconscious
Are you suggesting a creation cannot be on par with its creator? he created him to be his replacement. Nothing indicates he is weakerI’m just gonna comment on this part since I addressed the other notions but…Death (the character) is the concept of death. It’s the same thing.
Shinra was the one who created Death in the first place and altered his concept which means he altered Death’s fundamental being as well.
Death the character would’ve never existed without Shinra willing him into existence. I see no reason why Shinra wouldn’t be able to will the character Death out of existence by simply reversing what he did to the concept of life and death.
Nothing specifically indicates him to be at the same level of Attack Potency from what I can tell.Are you suggesting a creation cannot be on par with its creator? he created him to be his replacement. Nothing indicates he is weaker
Yeah Ik, Death should have AE type 2 so no worries I wasn't like misunderstanding.I’m just gonna comment on this part since I addressed the other notions but…Death (the character) is the concept of death. It’s the same thing.
Shinra was the one who created Death in the first place and altered his concept which means he altered Death’s fundamental being as well.
Death the character would’ve never existed without Shinra willing him into existence. I see no reason why Shinra wouldn’t be able to will the character Death out of existence by simply reversing what he did to the concept of life and death.
Fire Force is in the process of a downgrade crt so unsure.So Soul Eater is about to become Tier 2 or smth like that?
Yeah, to follow up with this, Death, the Ruler of the World, is implied to be "The Ruler of the Cosmos", with Noah and The Great One of Power's statement.Probably be the last thing I comment on from ur post.
This argument doesn't really work, we know that Asura someone who scales to Death can affect the entire world and even beyond their dimension with their mere aura as he did in chapter 103, so Death and Asura have the capability to affect the entire world, have the range to do so and Asura has world destruction statements.
Its really like not likey to go through at all imoFire Force is in the process of a downgrade crt so unsure.
Yeah the arguments seem to not be accurate with whats shown in the manga so tier 2 Soul Eater may be a thing soonIts really like not likey to go through at all imo
We should have a Pre Kishin key for him honestly.Hell, Asura was actually stated to be the strongest in the 8 Reaper Legion BEFORE he became a Kishin - implying that Asura is indeed stronger than Death.
Yeah, but I'm not sure what'd it even have lolWe should have a Pre Kishin key for him honestly.
Yeah no it would have the soul hax too. The characters for this verse are missing a lot of abilities on their page lol.Yeah, but I'm not sure what'd it even have lol
probably just Vajra's abilities.. maybe the bandage attacks too
Yeah this is part of my argument as well.Hello. I am only here to say that even if Shinra is stronger than Death and Asura, it's clear you aren't called a God without being extremely powerful in their shared verse. So the idea from the above that even if they aren't on par, those described as godlike or True Gods are relative to Shinra isn't out of the table.