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Fire Force Higher-Dimensional Existence Discussion/Possible Removal

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Alexander said:
adolla being establish to be a higher dimension,alot of plot hax,and the ''world''turned into fiction,which the real world cannot be comprehended by normal people and they see that world has ''fictional''and not ''real''
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This is really good, although I haven't followed the whole series and have only seen the anime, I'm very happy.
 
PrinceofPein said:
And I never said it should be rejected, just based on analysis, there is no qualitative Transcendence
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statements are evidence of qualitative transcendence. We have several statements of them. So it is wrong to claim there is no evidence.

Understandably there are wank statements out there which is why there is a need to analyze statements more carefully but that doesn’t mean viable statements are not evidences themselves.
 
Alexander said:
I keep wondering why this is so necessary, who put it up, or who agreed to put it up?
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What Pein means is that this higher plane is not a qualitative higher plane. That is, there is no qualitative transcendence in between. Just a higher plane.

And if the person speaking these statements does not know anything about higher dimensions or if higher dimensions have not been mentioned in the verse before, this is not qualitative transcendence without extra contexts and statements.

And why is this discuss still being held? In Pein's HDE revision, DT explained many things. But if you guys still want to discuss I can't say anything.
 
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Georredannea15 said:
And if the person speaking these statements does not know anything about higher dimensions or if higher dimensions have not been mentioned in the verse before, this is not qualitative transcendence without extra contexts and statements.
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are people really assuming that characters are to stupid or they are dumb that ourselfs,but they don't have proof of it?are you saying that joker says adolla is a higher dimension meaning he is not relaible because he does not know about it,when that does make sense since if he says,means he knows that.
it is basical logic,is like saying a character does not know what a another universe is,because they don't show to learn that,when again is not that hard to think that they already know that.
 
Alexander said:
are people really assuming that characters are to stupid or they are dumb that ourselfs,but they don't have proof of it?are you saying that joker says adolla is a higher dimension meaning he is not relaible because he does not know about it,when that does make sense since if he says,means he knows that.
it is basical logic,is like saying a character does not know what a another universe is,because they don't show to learn that,when again is not that hard to think that they already know that.
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Knowing everything about a verse is not the same as knowing higher dimensions.

For example, a character may know most of the things in the verse, but may not know the higher dimensions. Like Odin from GoW.

So we cannot imply it that way.
 
True but we can imply he is stupid for saying something... where it somehow require a necessary knowledge to say the term, specially since it is mathematical one.

Good argument.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
so even if the statement implies transcendence physics-wise it’s still not a qualitative transcendence to you? I really don’t know what more to say tbh.
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I know a character who has these expressions but does not have qualitative transcendence. And it is a verse that I am very familiar with. :)
 
Georredannea15 said:
Knowing everything about a verse is not the same as knowing higher dimensions.
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then they could have that knowledge by beliefs, how do you think we know of higher dimensions, without even existing?
Benimaru knows about dimensions and he is not a scientist.
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Arnoldstone18 said:
so even if the statement from scientists like Dr. Giovanni implies transcendence physics-wise,
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Giovanni only said the evangelist is a being from another dimension. And Transcendence physics wise means an extra axis or a being so large the lower dimension is infinitely smaller than they are, which is not the case in the evangelist
Arnoldstone18 said:
it’s still not a qualitative transcendence to you? I really don’t know what more to say tbh.
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The problem is you do not even get what I(wiki) means by qualitative Transcendence
 
PrinceofPein said:
Giovanni only said the evangelist is a being from another dimension. And Transcendence physics wise means an extra axis or a being so large the lower dimension is infinitely smaller than they are, which is not the case in the evangelist
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and what other dimensions exist in fire force?adolla is the only dimension that exist in fire force
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
okay let’s compare. Gimme details.
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Athena. If you look at her profile, she comes from being in a higher dimensional plane of us than the 4D primitives and the greek cosmos. But not qualitatively. That's what Pein meant. While it should be 5D in my opinion, 5D is not accepted at the moment. That's why we're no longer Tier 1 smurfs.
 
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Georredannea15 said:
Athena. If you look at his profile, he comes from being in a higher dimensional plane of us than the 4D primitives and the greek cosmos. But not qualitatively. That's what Pein meant. While it should be 5D in my opinion, 5D is not accepted at the moment. That's why we're no longer Tier 1 smurfs.
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Blud brought up the worst comparison 🗿

Like do they call Athena just being in a “higher dimension” or do they say that term to mean purely in the mathematical sense of “higher dimension.”

The thing is, the kanji gives implication towards the usage of the term “higher dimension” to mean that in a mathematical sense, not just in general as the term would be used in English without further elaboration.
 
Maitreya said:
Blud brought up the worst comparison 🗿

Like do they call Athena just being in a “higher dimension” or do they say that term to mean purely in the mathematical sense of “higher dimension.”

The thing is, the kanji gives implication towards the usage of the term “higher dimension” to mean that in a mathematical sense, not just in general as the term would be used in English without further elaboration.
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I didn't see anything about it being mathematical. And as you said, if this higher dimensionality is physical, I gave Athena as an example because it's exactly the same as this situation.
 
Alexander said:
then they could have that knowledge by beliefs, how do you think we know of higher dimensions, without even existing?
Benimaru knows about dimensions and he is not a scientist.
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I couldn't see any reference to the higher dimensions here.

It would be really silly and irrelevant to try to make these statements higher dimensional.
 
Georredannea15 said:
I didn't see anything about it being mathematical. And as you said, if this higher dimensionality is physical, I gave Athena as an example because it's exactly the same as this situation.
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???

Brother I’m sorry but….did you miss like the whole last 2-3 pages or so??

The whole conversation was about how the kanji was in direct reference to “higher dimensions” in the mathematical sense.

Hell the very scan itself mentions “mathematics” alongside “higher dimensions” as well.

So I’m really confused on this kind of comparison you’re trying to draw here.
 
Maitreya said:
???

Brother I’m sorry but….did you miss like the whole last 2-3 pages or so??

The whole conversation was about how the kanji was in direct reference to “higher dimensions” in the mathematical sense.

Hell the very scan itself mentions “mathematics” alongside “higher dimensions” as well.

So I’m really confused on this kind of comparison you’re trying to draw here.
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Things like math, law, and higher dimensions seem to be used independently. So I don't think this math refers to higher dimensions.

It would be like giving 10D or tier 0 here just because 10th dimension or boundless is mentioned in a verse...
 
Georredannea15 said:
Things like math, law, and higher dimensions seem to be used independently. So I don't think this math refers to higher dimensions.
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No you missed what I said. The kanji being used here to say “higher dimensions” is to mean that in a mathematical sense. It’s Ko Jigen.

There are two independent supporting things to indicate qualitative superiority in the R^n sense to it. The fact that it says “mathematics” alongside “higher dimensions” as things that are encompasses by Adolla, and the fact that the kanji used to say “higher dimensions” is used to mean that in a physics/mathematical sense. There’s multiple supporting indications to this argument with the language being used here. Rather than just loosely throwing out the term “higher dimension.”

This was established long ago in the convo prior.
 
Maitreya said:
No you missed what I said. The kanji being used here to say “higher dimensions” is to mean that in a mathematical sense. It’s Ko Jigen.

There are two independent supporting things to indicate qualitative superiority in the R^n sense to it. The fact that it says “mathematics” alongside “higher dimensions” as things that are encompasses by Adolla, and the fact that the kanji used to say “higher dimensions” is used to mean that in a physics/mathematical sense. There’s multiple supporting indications to this argument with the language being used here. Rather than just loosely throwing out the term “higher dimension.”

This was established long ago in the convo prior.
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Man, this is the only English translation, and I clearly haven't seen higher dimensions and math used together. I just commented out the scan. Don't blame me.
 
Maitreya said:
Like do they call Athena just being in a “higher dimension” or do they say that term to mean purely in the mathematical sense of “higher dimension.”
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It's a higher dimensional plane of existence, and this plane is higher dimensional than the primordials, which are 4D beings, and the Greek cosmos, which is the 4D plane.
 
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