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adolla being establish to be a higher dimension,alot of plot hax,and the ''world''turned into fiction,which the real world cannot be comprehended by normal people and they see that world has ''fictional''and not ''real''
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Fire Force Higher-Dimensional Existence Discussion/Possible Removal
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This is really good, although I haven't followed the whole series and have only seen the anime, I'm very happy.
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Season 3’s coming out this summer allegedly
PrinceofPein
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And I never said it should be rejected, just based on analysis, there is no qualitative Transcendence
Just because you are obtusely ignorant in matters of FF, does not make everyone "You"
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This is very good, I'm waiting, hehehe
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Bla bla, I literally hold the same views as Ultima with the same reasons.
So again, bla bla.
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How the **** everyone gets the discord of everyone
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@Ultima_Reality hey,you are gonna vote?
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statements are evidence of qualitative transcendence. We have several statements of them. So it is wrong to claim there is no evidence.
Understandably there are wank statements out there which is why there is a need to analyze statements more carefully but that doesn’t mean viable statements are not evidences themselves.
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extremely common alexander W
Georredannea15
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What Pein means is that this higher plane is not a qualitative higher plane. That is, there is no qualitative transcendence in between. Just a higher plane.
And if the person speaking these statements does not know anything about higher dimensions or if higher dimensions have not been mentioned in the verse before, this is not qualitative transcendence without extra contexts and statements.
And why is this discuss still being held? In Pein's HDE revision, DT explained many things. But if you guys still want to discuss I can't say anything.
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PrinceofPein
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Again and again, "Higher Dimensional" is not a statement of qualitative Transcendence, I do not know where you are seeing that
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are people really assuming that characters are to stupid or they are dumb that ourselfs,but they don't have proof of it?are you saying that joker says adolla is a higher dimension meaning he is not relaible because he does not know about it,when that does make sense since if he says,means he knows that.
it is basical logic,is like saying a character does not know what a another universe is,because they don't show to learn that,when again is not that hard to think that they already know that.
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Knowing everything about a verse is not the same as knowing higher dimensions.
For example, a character may know most of the things in the verse, but may not know the higher dimensions. Like Odin from GoW.
So we cannot imply it that way.
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so even if the statement from scientists like Dr. Giovanni implies transcendence physics-wise, it’s still not a qualitative transcendence to you? I really don’t know what more to say tbh.
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True but we can imply he is stupid for saying something... where it somehow require a necessary knowledge to say the term, specially since it is mathematical one.
Good argument.
Good argument.
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I know a character who has these expressions but does not have qualitative transcendence. And it is a verse that I am very familiar with.
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I know a character who has these expressions but does not have qualitative transcendence. And it is a verse that I am very familiar with.
okay let’s compare. Gimme details.
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GoW (where you wanked most)I know a character who has these expressions but does not have qualitative transcendence. And it is a verse that I am very familiar with.
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then they could have that knowledge by beliefs, how do you think we know of higher dimensions, without even existing?
Benimaru knows about dimensions and he is not a scientist.
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Giovanni only said the evangelist is a being from another dimension. And Transcendence physics wise means an extra axis or a being so large the lower dimension is infinitely smaller than they are, which is not the case in the evangelist
The problem is you do not even get what I(wiki) means by qualitative Transcendence
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and what other dimensions exist in fire force?adolla is the only dimension that exist in fire force
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MG wanks... Also, I'm not wanking, just saying the truth. That's all.
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It was a joke sweetie.
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Athena. If you look at her profile, she comes from being in a higher dimensional plane of us than the 4D primitives and the greek cosmos. But not qualitatively. That's what Pein meant. While it should be 5D in my opinion, 5D is not accepted at the moment. That's why we're no longer Tier 1 smurfs.
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Blud brought up the worst comparison
Like do they call Athena just being in a “higher dimension” or do they say that term to mean purely in the mathematical sense of “higher dimension.”
The thing is, the kanji gives implication towards the usage of the term “higher dimension” to mean that in a mathematical sense, not just in general as the term would be used in English without further elaboration.
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Okay
. But I am sure of it. If other verses were studied as rigorous as GoW, most verses would be downgraded or not Tier 1. Anyway, I'm not getting off the rails any more.
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I didn't see anything about it being mathematical. And as you said, if this higher dimensionality is physical, I gave Athena as an example because it's exactly the same as this situation.Blud brought up the worst comparison
Like do they call Athena just being in a “higher dimension” or do they say that term to mean purely in the mathematical sense of “higher dimension.”
The thing is, the kanji gives implication towards the usage of the term “higher dimension” to mean that in a mathematical sense, not just in general as the term would be used in English without further elaboration.
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I couldn't see any reference to the higher dimensions here.then they could have that knowledge by beliefs, how do you think we know of higher dimensions, without even existing?
Benimaru knows about dimensions and he is not a scientist.
It would be really silly and irrelevant to try to make these statements higher dimensional.
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???
Brother I’m sorry but….did you miss like the whole last 2-3 pages or so??
The whole conversation was about how the kanji was in direct reference to “higher dimensions” in the mathematical sense.
Hell the very scan itself mentions “mathematics” alongside “higher dimensions” as well.
So I’m really confused on this kind of comparison you’re trying to draw here.
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Things like math, law, and higher dimensions seem to be used independently. So I don't think this math refers to higher dimensions.
It would be like giving 10D or tier 0 here just because 10th dimension or boundless is mentioned in a verse...
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No you missed what I said. The kanji being used here to say “higher dimensions” is to mean that in a mathematical sense. It’s Ko Jigen.
There are two independent supporting things to indicate qualitative superiority in the R^n sense to it. The fact that it says “mathematics” alongside “higher dimensions” as things that are encompasses by Adolla, and the fact that the kanji used to say “higher dimensions” is used to mean that in a physics/mathematical sense. There’s multiple supporting indications to this argument with the language being used here. Rather than just loosely throwing out the term “higher dimension.”
This was established long ago in the convo prior.
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Man, this is the only English translation, and I clearly haven't seen higher dimensions and math used together. I just commented out the scan. Don't blame me.
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It's a higher dimensional plane of existence, and this plane is higher dimensional than the primordials, which are 4D beings, and the Greek cosmos, which is the 4D plane.
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Stop this GOW d riding please it’s a Fire Force thread.
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This is an example for better understanding. So I talked about a different verse. If you can't understand that, it's your problem.
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