Fire Force Cosmology Blog Acceptance Thread!

[Arkenis]

ininite madness but again, I'm not a Fire Force/Soul Eater buff.

Considering Asura being Lord Death's fear itself and being stated to be infinite, and his madness aura stems from his fear, and his fear also can reach into other dimensions, it's incredibly likely that it's meant as literal.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Anyway, @Deceived3596 and @Maitreya will have better counters to this but here are my two cents in a few sentences per quote.

Oh wow this is the scan "A sea of twinkling stars, the intense battle between the dragon and knight continues in the boundless cosmos"
Really? aside from the fact that this is literally flowery, Arthur and Dragon are fighting around the moon, is the distance from earth to moon a boundless cosmos?

There are times Arthur and Dragon left the moon and earth altogether, fighting in an unknown distance away from both of em but how does the fact that they fought X distance from earth disprove they fought within the cosmos? How do them even fighting at all relate to the fact that it’s regarded as a boundless cosmos?

With all things considered, it’s not flowery language. You can’t just single this out and arbitrarily claim it’s flowery language.

Again the scan "Kishin's sama madness does not end, it is infinite, as abundant as water,............ kishin sama madness is endless, as infinite as your desire to see my naked body"

You can’t use metaphors made directly after direct statements to disprove direct statements.

Well aside from the fact that adolla physically exist and you can enter there physically, do you need scans or list of people who were there before the merger?
Like this is just dishonest you said no interaction can be made before the merger, that is a lie, as people could enter/interact with it before the merger.
That said, you cannot eat your cake and have it, if adolla is not real, you cannot get a physical tier for it

Nobody could interact with Adolla without an Adolla link. The fact that a link is needed for an interaction to take place means the worlds are seperated.

the tear in space exists before the merge, that is a map of the continent. and it has at least two tears in space according to that map, and each leads to Adolla. this is literally after the last cataclysm and before the current one, also literally stated here. The fact that there are tear(s) in space in the earth which connects adolla to the world, also means they are not separate space-times

The tears in space separates the worlds and nobody could go through without Adolla linking them to itself.

Surprisingly you forgot the elephant in the room
Shinra took an attack for Juggernaught which knocked him out and he somehow ended up in the Adolla plane with Inca
Shinra asked Inca what the Great Cataclysm is or how it will end, she replied that she does not know then, Inca mentioned that his super-light speed thing allows him to see the past, so he should travel back into the past to see what exactly happened during the last great cataclysm. Then she said "You will use your super light speed to fly into the past".
Shinra then traveled into the past, Where he saw the world or I should say Tokyo before the Great cataclysm on earth. Also the author also gave us a view of how earth 250 years ago looked like so he was obviously on earth 250 years ago.
So shinra time travelled when in the Adolla plane and ended up on earth from 250 years ago, which would not be possible if adolla and earth are in or different spacetimes, since you can obviously travel through their time and both is connected.

So yes this is a disqualifying criteria that meets lots of disqualifying points, Traveling with no portal, time travel e.t.c.

This has been addressed multiple times.

Adolla encompasses the history of mankind as well and Shinra’s real body still exists in the real world where months passed within the few moments Shinra’s astral body was in Adolla.

The fact that Adolla has a whole history within itself is proof Adolla is a space time continuum.

The fact that time passed differently in Adolla than on earth is proof Adolla is a separate space time continuum.

The fact that Shinra’s real body was never present in Adolla but on earth where his doppleganger took possession of it while Shinra was in Adolla’s past.

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I think I’ll stop here. Lost motivation.

 

[PrinceofPein]

and you failed, because your arguments were that adolla shared the same space-time as the universe, but it was made clear that it was not haci, that adolla had nothing to do with the universe and that it was separate from it.

No we decided to argue it here instead

They already have a downgrade thread for that, whether the already accepted standards change depends on how that thread goes. You don't need further affirmation here to stuff that is already accepted. As for the blog, it doesn't look aesthetically unpleasing or hard to read.

As for if it conveys it's point acceptable, as long as it doesn't pretend something that isn't accepted was, then it's more the people knowledgeable in the series to comment on if they think it includes everything accurately. Everything else has already been dealt with by staff accepting the upgrade in other threads.

Which is why I said all 2-C arguments should be in my downgrade thread but they said o should move it here instead and why it is here.
but I think like I already said it should be done in my thread.

 

[Alexander]

No we decided to argue it here instead

still,adolla is a different space-time,why so hard to assume it isn't?being a ''higher dimension''already proofs is not linked to the universe

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So yes this is a disqualifying criteria that meets lots of disqualifying points, Traveling with no portal, time travel e.t.c.

Why isn’t the tear in space considered as a portal? Iirc the evangelists uses it to go between worlds

 

[PrinceofPein]

Nobody could interact with Adolla without an Adolla link. The fact that a link is needed for an interaction to take place means the worlds are seperated.

No it does not mean, there are other universes in our space time, can you enter them? Does that make those universe a different space time cause a mundane cannot enter it without some mechanics?

The tears in space separates the worlds and nobody could go through without Adolla linking them to itself.

Again proves they are not separate.

This has been addressed multiple times.

Adolla encompasses the history of mankind as well and Shinra’s real body still exists in the real world where months passed within the few moments Shinra’s astral body was in Adolla.

So you are saying now that shinra was not physically inside adolla?
Let me just wait for deceived and Maitreya12

Why isn’t the tear in space considered as a portal?

Cause it was not referred to as such but a wall that separates the worlds.
It was referred to a wall not portal, that's why

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Cause it was not referred to as such but a wall that separates the worlds.
It was referred to a wall not portal, that's why

I edited the message.

the evangelist uses it to travel between worlds does she not?

 

[Maitreya12]

This entire section is filled with so many inflated languages I was getting annoyed as I was reading it, also it paraphrases the scans to mean what they are not saying. So for anyone who wishes to evaluate, do not take the wordings for it and open the scans itself and see for yer self.
That said, Adolla is a separate dimensions from the real world, that is not the dispute, the dispute is that there are points in adolla and real world sapce and time that are in both. Moving on,

“Flowery language” isn’t an argument. You actually have to demonstrate how exactly the statements don’t match with one another.

Oh wow this is the scan "A sea of twinkling stars, the intense battle between the dragon and knight continues in the boundless cosmos"
Really? aside from the fact that this is literally flowery, Arthur and Dragon are fighting around the moon, is the distance from earth to moon a boundless cosmos?

“Flowery language” isn’t an argument here. Arthur and Dragon are fighting in space. And space is described as a “boundless cosmos.” Boundless in this context meaning “unbounded,” “never ending,” “without limit.” To mean an infinite amount of space.

Want more evidence? Space is also referred to as “an endless void.” Endless here has been accepted on the wiki to also mean infinite as well meaning this is yet another statement supporting the notion.

The scan again "A black land and innumerable scattered flames" so stop paraphrasing the words, it is not innumerable space but rather innumerable flames

Buddy where do you think the flames are residing in?? In the space within Adolla. Having an innumerable amount of something inside another thing means the space in that other thing is innumerable as well what?

This is a distinction without meaning.

Again the scan "Kishin's sama madness does not end, it is infinite, as abundant as water,............ kishin sama madness is endless, as infinite as your desire to see my naked body"
Aside from the fact that the bolded statements invalidates the stuff, in this context they were saying no matter what happens you will fall into madness in the end. and literally nothing about adolla size.
That said I do believe the universe is universal in size as that is just simple logic, but this scans are just simply reaching for something not there and nonsense to say the least

Nothing there is being contradicted. Those are simple metaphors to illustrate the intended meaning of the word. Which is consistently used to mean “endless” and “infinite.” So there is no contradiction here.

Regardless there are even more statements directly referring to the Kishin’s madness as being limitless without end. So your point gets thoroughly debunked with the amount of internal consistency the series showcases with the constant usages of these terms.

Of course adolla is a different dimension from the real world

Well aside from the fact that adolla physically exist and you can enter there physically, do you need scans or list of people who were there before the merger?
Like this is just dishonest you said no interaction can be made before the merger, that is a lie, as people could enter/interact with it before the merger.
That said, you cannot eat your cake and have it, if adolla is not real, you cannot get a physical tier for it.

You mean people being transported to Adolla? Their mind being transported to Adolla? That doesn’t prove that the Adolla world and real world are connected at all. In fact that actively disproves the notion since Adolla’s only being accessed in a mental scape which is why Shinra’s body was taken over by doppelgängers when he went to Adolla.

Them being transported to Adolla doesn’t prove you can physically travel to Adolla in the slightest.

the tear in space exists before the merge, that is a map of the continent. and it has at least two tears in space according to that map, and each leads to Adolla. this is literally after the last cataclysm and before the current one, also literally stated here. The fact that there are tear(s) in space in the earth which connects adolla to the world, also means they are not separate space-times

This is so dishonest. Those later statements are in reference to gathering infromation about how Adolla and The Great Cataclyjs connect with one another

Those tears in space happen by the way after Adolla has already attempted to merge with the world once before. And in fact due to this attempted merger, the two worlds’ connection from one another had strengthened. So this in no way shape or form discredits the scans which explicitly make clear that Adolla is completely disconnected from the real world.

Surprisingly you forgot the elephant in the room
Shinra took an attack for Juggernaught which knocked him out and he somehow ended up in the Adolla plane with Inca
Shinra asked Inca what the Great Cataclysm is or how it will end, she replied that she does not know then, Inca mentioned that his super-light speed thing allows him to see the past, so he should travel back into the past to see what exactly happened during the last great cataclysm. Then she said "You will use your super light speed to fly into the past".
Shinra then traveled into the past, Where he saw the world or I should say Tokyo before the Great cataclysm on earth. Also the author also gave us a view of how earth 250 years ago looked like so he was obviously on earth 250 years ago.
So shinra time travelled when in the Adolla plane and ended up on earth from 250 years ago, which would not be possible if adolla and earth are in or different spacetimes, since you can obviously travel through their time and both is connected.

His mind was in the Adolla world. Because it’s literally just a world of perception. Shinra was not physically in the world in the slightest. This is objectively proven by the fact that Shinra’s body was taken over by a doppelgänger in the real world.

He was not physically in Adolla at all so this doesn’t meet any disqualifying criteria.

So yes this is a disqualifying criteria that meets lots of disqualifying points, Traveling with no portal, time travel e.t.c.

This does not in the slightest as the “traveling” is only done either by mental scales or being transported to Adolla. Time travel I already addressed later on

this is simply a universal law for any universe

this is what a universe is, FF is not a special. Also time and space are on the same grid and not axis.

Your own very scan debunks this, it says "sho is stopping time by messing with the heat of the universe hence the expansion of it"
So while you can say Adolla contains concepts from the human world which is true, this is gibberish and inflated asf "The world of ideas Adolla encompassing the very conceptual structure of a 4D universe's space-time is completely different than the physical nature of said universe's space-time." Also if adolla does not exist physically, you cannot give it a physical tier hence your tier 2 falls appart.

One of the concepts Adolla carries is the concept of the very “world” itself. World here was determined previously to mean Universe. And Adolla’s manipulations of “the universe”

The physical structure of the 4D universe matches that of Adolla’s due to it embodying the very concept of the universe itself and showcasing its power extends to the “space” and “time” of that universe as well. So what do you mean by my own scan “debunking” this notion. Since it literally embodies the very idea of the universe and is shown to alter its 4D structure.

Also as noted Adolla is both existing and not existing at the same time and because it’s literally merging with the physical universe it should in fact be given a physical tier. Simple as that.

A little something, the universe has 3-Dimensional physical axis and not 4.
So from this long post that you made complicated, filled with inflated languages, you are saying that going back in time in adolla will take you to the world the human thought of and not the real world? you could have added that to it directly.
Anyway, the manga disagrees with you. 250 years ago, the humans wanted the world to be like that of a manga style, meaning if Shinra traveled back in time 250 years and ended up inside adolla, he should be in a world where all the humans have the manga art style, but well obviously he ended up in the real world. and Also stated directly to be "the world of the past", "the earth from 250 years ago" and not what you are claiming, which it will be "the world of perception of the past" e.t.c.
That said, reason why If two universes have points in their time and space that exist in both, are considered to be parts of a single space-time, rather than separate space-times. This is because space-time is a four-dimensional continuum that encompasses all of the physical reality we experience, including matter, energy, and the curvature of space itself.
According to the theory of relativity, events that occur in space-time can be considered as a single entity called an "event." Each event is characterized by its time and location in space. If two events occur at the same time and location in different universes, they are considered to be the same event in the context of the entire space-time. This is because space-time is continuous and interconnected, and events that occur in one part of space-time can have effects on events that occur in another part of space-time.
Therefore, if two universes have points in their time and space that exist in both, they cannot be considered separate space-times. They are, in fact, part of a single space-time that includes both universes. This implies that the boundaries between different universes are not fixed, and that there is a continuous flow of matter, energy, and information between them.
They are still two different universes but they share the same coordinate system, let me explain better

This entire section fundamentally failed to address the notion about why this disqualifying criteria doesn’t qualify for Adolla and it’s that Adolla is the very concept of said History and events in time and time itself.

In mathematics, space-time is often represented using a four-dimensional coordinate system, where the three dimensions represent the spatial coordinates (x, y, z) and the fourth dimension represents time (t).
If we consider two universes, we can represent them as two distinct regions within this four-dimensional space-time. Let's call these regions Universe 1 and Universe 2.
Now, suppose there is a point (x1, y1, z1, t1) in Universe 1 and a point (x2, y2, z2, t2) in Universe 2 that have the same spatial and temporal coordinates. In other words, they occupy the same point in space and time.
These two points cannot be considered as separate points in space-time, because they represent the same physical event. Mathematically, we can represent this as follows:
(x1, y1, z1, t1) = (x2, y2, z2, t2)
This equation shows that the two points are equivalent and are part of the same space-time.
Therefore, if there are points that exist in both universes, they cannot be considered as separate space-times, because they are part of a single, interconnected space-time.
Since I am going for homerun, I will explain further
we can represent space-time as a manifold, which is a topological space that is locally Euclidean. In other words, at any given point in space-time, we can use a coordinate system to assign numerical values to the spatial and temporal dimensions.
The four dimensions of space-time are represented using what is known as a Minkowski space, which is a special kind of mathematical space used in the theory of relativity. The coordinates in Minkowski space are represented as (x, y, z, ct), where c is the speed of light and t is time.
When we say that two universes have points in their time and space that exist in both, we are saying that there are points in the Minkowski space that correspond to events in both universes. These points have the same spatial and temporal coordinates in both universes.
For example, let's say that in Universe 1, there is an event that occurs at position (x1, y1, z1) and time t1. In Universe 2, there is another event that occurs at the same position and time. This means that there is a point in the Minkowski space that corresponds to both events, and its coordinates are (x1, y1, z1, ct1).
Because this point corresponds to events in both universes, it cannot be considered as part of either universe alone. Rather, it is part of a larger space-time that includes both universes.
In summary, the reason why two universes with points in their time and space that exist in both cannot be considered as separate space-times is because they are part of the same four-dimensional manifold, and points in the manifold that correspond to events in both universes must be considered as part of the same space-time. So as long as there is the proof of them sharing the same past, they are inside the same space-time no matter what, so enough of the BSing to say the least, you have no idea about what you are saying here and you do not understand what you are saying here, just some beautiful words here and there thats all which I blame @Deceived3596 for since I have seen this post before from him, but like I already said they have points that exists in both hence they are not spatio-temporally seaprate, which is the requirement for tier 2 now.

Nope this fundamentally does not address the argument presented in the blog

The same points in time may exist between the two worlds however this is only the case due to the perceived points in time matching up with reality’s points in time.

Your example you provide denotes that there are two physical universal space-times which are coexisting through the same shared time due to the same points being present. However the conceptual history that Adolla carries within from the despair of humanity fundamentally differs to a physical 4-D space-time as you point out.

Point out the qualification please, you only linked the page

Oh sure right here:

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Some verses may have a concept of "meta-time" that allows for such oddities, though nevertheless it is important to note that these still constitute mere exceptions and not the general norm, and evidence is required to support the claim that a higher form of time is at play

This is an area where I believe the “conceptual space-time” of Adolla can qualify as an exception in this case. However that is ultimately up to staff to decide if that meets as a qualifying exception.

Now let me read out the tiering to you
FAQ

Check the bolded part
Now it expanded more on that

Check the bolded part again, it says if they are not separate for infinite time, they will be counted as one.
So even if Fire force world and Adolla was considered separate, the fact that they are not separate for infinite time means they will be counted as just one.
Also unless the merge is happening across all of time it is tier 3, it will be a single moment in time merge. If it was a merge that happened across all of time, then the world of 250 years ago would look manga like, when shinra travelled back which was not so, meaning it is a moment in time merge, and not across the entire space-time continuum, which means not tier 2.

Dude they are separated by physical time and conceptual time.

You’re also aware that the change from reality into fiction directly impacted people of that time’s past as well because not a single person recognizes reality is different. Hell people were still around since after the cataclysm but they note of no differences between their past and the current altered world. The real life world from before the cataclysm depcicted in real life style only shows up inside Adolla. Not out in the real world as Shinra never traveled to the pre cataclysm past in the real world.

The distinct differences between the image of despair the conceptual time of Adolla makes and the real world’s present time showcases the differences between the perceived time in Adolla and the real time in the actual universe.

To explain some sort of dimensional wall does not mean, they are separate space-times.

Self- explnatory, in case anyone wants to bring up shinra's doppleganger scenario
So to summarise all this point, two universes are spatial-temporally separate, if you cannot physically travel from one point in the universe A into another universe B, also if you cannot time travel from one to another and if there are no points in A or B that are in both.

Exceptions to this can and have been listed in the drafted space-time page.

It is now up to staff to decide if this meets as a qualifying exception or not.

Also you point about tear(s) in space and what I sent on it kind of proves that they are not separate further
In summary they are not separated spatio-temporally

This point was already thoroughly debunked over the fact that you kept listing instances of people being transported into Adolla. In fact not even just their physical bodies you tried to show the mind of the person being transported to Adolla to show they are not separated which completely disproves your point.

Also so no one strawmanns my argument, no one is saying they are not separate dimensions, they are, but the argument is there are points in time and space of the world and adolla that exists in both and that is undeniable, so this is not tier 2.

The arguments here have been Adressed. It is now up to staff to determine if this is sufficiently a qualifying exception or not.

[ISPOILER]I should add, by default you cannot tap/use or tank a tier 2 power while remaining below it, If adolla is tier 2, anyone who uses it becomes tier 2, literally BOS characters also become tier 2. To make it easier to understand if you claim adolla is tier 2, in tier 2 no matter how much you divide tier 2, it will not be below tier 2, even if you divide it infinite times, it will still be tier 2, so there is no such thing as using tier 2 power behind an attack while the attack remains tier 7. Anything powered by adolla becomes tier 2 no matter how small it is. So it is not just those who fully scale to adolla, but those who uses adolla too and those who scales who should become tier 2

What? Yes you can I’ve never seen where this “condition” you’ve laid out has been accepted.

You’re saying if line Blue goku gave his ki to someone dying like he did to Frieza on Namek, that person instantly becomes tier 2. I do not see that as the case.

 

[Maitreya12]

If this blog isn't trying to upgrade, downgrade, or change anything. Instead simply being used to show the logic that has already been accepted and used in an easy-to-understand way. What actually needs to be accepted here?

Oh simply to formally provide an explanation for the tier and the cosmology surrounding the series. I thought a cosmology blog needs to be formally accepted first before being applied to profiles after all.

However you are right nothing is trying to be upgraded or downgraded here.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I edited the message.

the evangelist uses it to travel between worlds does she not?

Yes she went through the walls, it was still called a wall separating the worlds and not portal
Till tomorrow hopefully this does not become a shit show before then

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I think I’d (or literally anyone at this point) be more inclined to reply if things were tackled one by one rather than addressing a whole Bible.

 

[Alexander]

I edited the message.

the evangelist uses it to travel between worlds does she not?

but only the evangelist,not other character has manage to go to the tear in space

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yes she went through the walls, it was still called a wall separating the worlds and not portal
Till tomorrow hopefully this does not become a shit show before then

It's called a wall because it's inaccessible to anyone that is not the evangelist. Last time I checked it is those who don’t have access calling it a wall.

To the evangelist it is a doorway, an entrance. These are undeniable facts. She needs the tear in space to travel between worlds thus making it one qualifying factor.

agreed?

 

[Maitreya12]

Note this only is able to happen because Adolla already tried to merge with the real world once and it strengthened the connection between the two worlds with one another

So a physical tear in space still disconnecting the two worlds from one another after they already tried to merge with one another I don’t see how that disproves the two worlds being disconnected from one another to begin with.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Y’know what. Let me go check out the other qualifying factors while i’m at the “portal” and “time travel” talking points.

As for the time traveling one. It’s just @PrinceofPein misinterpreting events that have happened which I will get to next after the portal one.

 

[PrinceofPein]

It's called a wall because it's inaccessible to anyone that is not the evangelist. Last time I checked it is those who don’t have access calling it a wall.

To the evangelist it is a doorway, an entrance. These are undeniable facts. She needs the tear in space to travel between worlds thus making it one qualifying factor.

agreed?

nah she never called it a "tear in space to travel between the worlds", the name was given by the humans and also said to be a wall that separates the two worlds

As for the time traveling one. It’s just @PrinceofPein misinterpreting events that have happened which I will get to next after the portal one.As for the time traveling one. It’s just @PrinceofPein misinterpreting events that have happened which I will get to next after the portal one.

And what even might that be?
the manga showing us shinra traveling into the past and directly called world ofthe past is me misinterpreting it to mean that he did actually travel into the world of the past?
Okay that is a new one

“Flowery language” isn’t an argument. You actually have to demonstrate how exactly the statements don’t match with one another.

“Flowery language” isn’t an argument here. Arthur and Dragon are fighting in space. And space is described as a “boundless cosmos.” Boundless in this context meaning “unbounded,” “never ending,” “without limit.” To mean an infinite amount of space.

Want more evidence? Space is also referred to as “an endless void.” Endless here has been accepted on the wiki to also mean infinite as well meaning this is yet another statement supporting the notion.

Buddy where do you think the flames are residing in?? In the space within Adolla. Having an innumerable amount of something inside another thing means the space in that other thing is innumerable as well what?

This is a distinction without meaning.

Nothing there is being contradicted. Those are simple metaphors to illustrate the intended meaning of the word. Which is consistently used to mean “endless” and “infinite.” So there is no contradiction here.

Regardless there are even more statements directly referring to the Kishin’s madness as being limitless without end. So your point gets thoroughly debunked with the amount of internal consistency the series showcases with the constant usages of these terms.

You mean people being transported to Adolla? Their mind being transported to Adolla? That doesn’t prove that the Adolla world and real world are connected at all. In fact that actively disproves the notion since Adolla’s only being accessed in a mental scape which is why Shinra’s body was taken over by doppelgängers when he went to Adolla.

Them being transported to Adolla doesn’t prove you can physically travel to Adolla in the slightest.

This is so dishonest. Those later statements are in reference to gathering infromation about how Adolla and The Great Cataclyjs connect with one another

Those tears in space happen by the way after Adolla has already attempted to merge with the world once before. And in fact due to this attempted merger, the two worlds’ connection from one another had strengthened. So this in no way shape or form discredits the scans which explicitly make clear that Adolla is completely disconnected from the real world.

His mind was in the Adolla world. Because it’s literally just a world of perception. Shinra was not physically in the world in the slightest. This is objectively proven by the fact that Shinra’s body was taken over by a doppelgänger in the real world.

He was not physically in Adolla at all so this doesn’t meet any disqualifying criteria.

This does not in the slightest as the “traveling” is only done either by mental scales or being transported to Adolla. Time travel I already addressed later on

One of the concepts Adolla carries is the concept of the very “world” itself. World here was determined previously to mean Universe. And Adolla’s manipulations of “the universe”

The physical structure of the 4D universe matches that of Adolla’s due to it embodying the very concept of the universe itself and showcasing its power extends to the “space” and “time” of that universe as well. So what do you mean by my own scan “debunking” this notion. Since it literally embodies the very idea of the universe and is shown to alter its 4D structure.

Also as noted Adolla is both existing and not existing at the same time and because it’s literally merging with the physical universe it should in fact be given a physical tier. Simple as that.

This entire section fundamentally failed to address the notion about why this disqualifying criteria doesn’t qualify for Adolla and it’s that Adolla is the very concept of said History and events in time and time itself.

Nope this fundamentally does not address the argument presented in the blog

The same points in time may exist between the two worlds however this is only the case due to the perceived points in time matching up with reality’s points in time.

Your example you provide denotes that there are two physical universal space-times which are coexisting through the same shared time due to the same points being present. However the conceptual history that Adolla carries within from the despair of humanity fundamentally differs to a physical 4-D space-time as you point out.

Oh sure right here:



This is an area where I believe the “conceptual space-time” of Adolla can qualify as an exception in this case. However that is ultimately up to staff to decide if that meets as a qualifying exception.

Dude they are separated by physical time and conceptual time.

You’re also aware that the change from reality into fiction directly impacted people of that time’s past as well because not a single person recognizes reality is different. Hell people were still around since after the cataclysm but they note of no differences between their past and the current altered world. The real life world from before the cataclysm depcicted in real life style only shows up inside Adolla. Not out in the real world as Shinra never traveled to the pre cataclysm past in the real world.

The distinct differences between the image of despair the conceptual time of Adolla makes and the real world’s present time showcases the differences between the perceived time in Adolla and the real time in the actual universe.

Exceptions to this can and have been listed in the drafted space-time page.

It is now up to staff to decide if this meets as a qualifying exception or not.

This point was already thoroughly debunked over the fact that you kept listing instances of people being transported into Adolla. In fact not even just their physical bodies you tried to show the mind of the person being transported to Adolla to show they are not separated which completely disproves your point.

The arguments here have been Adressed. It is now up to staff to determine if this is sufficiently a qualifying exception or not.

What? Yes you can I’ve never seen where this “condition” you’ve laid out has been accepted.

You’re saying if line Blue goku gave his ki to someone dying like he did to Frieza on Namek, that person instantly becomes tier 2. I do not see that as the case.

So I skimmed through this, not properly tho, since that will be tomorrow. but I need to ask something
Are you saying adolla do not physically exist and it is an astral/mind plane not physically existing?

Also should the arguments be moved back to the downgrade thread, since like E12 explained the blog is irrelevant to a downgrade or upgrade

 

[Arnoldstone18]

nah she never called it a tear in space to travel between the worlds, the name was given by the humans

exactly.
That’s why it’s called a wall in the first place. The evangelist using it alone as a doorway actually qualifies.

And what even might that be?
the manga showing us shinra traveling into the past and directly called world ofthe past is me misinterpreting it to mean that he did actually travel into the world of the past?
Okay that is a new one

Let’s talk about this later.
Do you agree the tear in space a doorway the evangelist uses to travel between worlds?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Also should the arguments be moved back to the downgrade thread, since like E12 explained the blog is irrelevant to a downgrade or upgrade

okay

 

[PrinceofPein]

exactly.
That’s why it’s called a wall in the first place. The evangelist using it alone as a doorway actually qualifies.

what are you saying again

Let’s talk about this later.

aiit

Do you agree the tear in space a doorway the evangelist uses to travel between worlds?

No I agree that it is a wall that separates the two worlds and the evangelist has the ability to go through the two worlds, again there is something called dimensional travel

You can reply on my thread

 

[Maitreya12]

So I skimmed through this, not properly tho, since that will be tomorrow. but I need to ask something
Are you saying adolla do not physically exist and it is an astral/mind plane not physically existing?

Also should the arguments be moved back to the downgrade thread, since like E12 explained the blog is irrelevant to a downgrade or upgrade

Well I do in fact have nonexistent physiology for Adolla cooking in my ability addition blog, but simply yeah the Adolla world is a world of just straight human ideation. It’s pure perception itself.

And the Adolla plane being a mental scape can be 100% proven due to the fact that Shinra’s mind was in Adolla viewing the past but his body was in the real world as a doppelgänger.

I also don’t know if it should be moved back because my train of thought was if the contentions are surrounding the cosmology blog’s 2-C rating that should be cleared in the cosmology blog acceptance thread. But what do I know I guess.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

what are you saying again

Im saying that you can’t use the existence of tears in space as a rebuttal to the fact that the two worlds are separated. Instead it actually supports it based on the standards.

but yeah, going back to your thread.

 

[Halkum145]

Hmmmm

 

[narutosage15]

How many threads for just one verse?
I mean can we just have a single thread to settle all these?

 

[Arkenis]

How many threads for just one verse?
I mean can we just have a single thread to settle all these?

well the other threads were about scaling and getting this accepted which it was, idk why we're still arguing about it. Idk why we keep letting pein do this, its been argued multiple times.

 

[KLOL506]

How many threads for just one verse?
I mean can we just have a single thread to settle all these?

God of War couldn't. DMC couldn't. Bayonetta couldn't. Neither could DOOM. They all needed multiple threads.

When you make a verse Tier 2, you can bet there will be opposition to it and consistently egregious and disingenuous downplay flooding from everywhere.

 

[Lynieryz]

When you make a verse Tier 2

*When you wank a verse to Tier 2

First of all ＼⁠(ŏ⁠﹏⁠ŏ⁠)⁠／ it's a joke joke I don't want to be melted.

 

[KLOL506]

*When you wank a verse to Tier 2

First of all ＼⁠(ŏ⁠﹏⁠ŏ⁠)⁠／ it's a joke joke I don't want to be melted.

Weak, try wanking to Tier 1, see how far you get without a site standard change UwU

 

[Maitreya12]

Weak, try wanking to Tier 1, see how far you get without a site standard change UwU

Are you…challenging me?

You bet I’ll be going for that tier 1 Wank.

 

[Lynieryz]

Weak, try wanking to Tier 1, see how far you get without a site standard change UwU

Persona:

 

[KLOL506]

Persona:

Shhhhhhh

 

[Lynieryz]

Shhhhhhh

༼⁠;⁠´⁠༎ຶ⁠ ⁠۝ ⁠༎ຶ⁠༽

 

[ImmortalDread]

Following

 

[Deceived3596]

I swear y'all mf Fire Force goons better treat me like your king after i'm done responding to this goobledegook message made by Pain, because this is actual physical, mental and spiritual torture i'm sustaining to save your verse(s) Tier 2 rating.

 

[Maitreya12]

Let Decieved start cooking:

 

[Alexander]

Seriously, the only thing I can think of about the bad levels of mental gymnastics that pain does to make fire force is still planet level.
I mean, I've seen tik toks and youtube videos that say ''fire force is only planet level'' and even those don't have that level (because it's basically ignoring that adolla exists)
but pain,is literraly just,somehow thinking that affecting stars and the moon,physics and PI,and having a different time period,is somehow not valid for being another space-time different

 

[Cyberblader90]

SE/FF merge will prob be on hold till this finishes

 

[narutosage15]

God of War couldn't. DMC couldn't. Bayonetta couldn't. Neither could DOOM. They all needed multiple threads.

When you make a verse Tier 2, you can bet there will be opposition to it and consistently egregious and disingenuous downplay flooding from everywhere.

We should take it higher and see what would happen tier1 FF
I wonder what adjustments they would make to the FAQ just to downgrade the verse

 

[narutosage15]

well the other threads were about scaling and getting this accepted which it was, idk why we're still arguing about it. Idk why we keep letting pein do this, its been argued multiple times.

Atleast let him bring new points, this is just going back and forth atp

 

[Deceived3596]

"Pain without love Pain, I can't get enough, Pain, I like it rough' Cause I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all" - Deceived

That said I do believe the universe is universal in size as that is just simple logic, but this scans are just simply reaching for something not there and nonsense to say the least

I’m not addressing anything above this message since you’ve already conceded that Fire Force’s universe is universal in-size and time. You’re still wrong however on why you believe these are reaches, or just flowery language within the context of the size of the Fire Force universe. Like, objectively wrong in my honest assessment. I’m just not explaining why you’re wrong because it would needlessly extend this post when it doesn’t need to be extended.

Well aside from the fact that adolla physically exist and you can enter there physically, do you need scans or list of people who were there before the merger? Like this is just dishonest you said no interaction can be made before the merger, that is a lie, as people could enter/interact with it before the merger. That said, you cannot eat your cake and have it, if adolla is not real, you cannot get a physical tier for it.

I’m not entirely sure that Adolla “physically exist” in the sense Matireya’s arguing it, it seems like (could be wrong, he’d have to explain more in-depth on what he meant) he’s arguing that Adolla exist as the “perceptions and thoughts” of the unconscious mass from an ontological level, appealing to the “reality” itself being “imaginary”. The existence of objects or entities with physicality within said dimension isn’t innate evidence against the dimension itself being “unreal” since there’s “levels of existence” to every object when examined under a metaphysical context.

For example; objects or entities can be “real” on a physical level, as in, be composed of physical matter, but be “unreal”, or have “unreal” properties on an ontological level, as in, be an “illusory” existence conceptually, fundamentally etc. So i wouldn’t necessarily say just because physical entities can exist within the dimension it means the dimension physically exists. But Maitreya also brought up the counter that these characters aren’t even physically existing within Adolla, but rather, only their mental’s are transported, which would completely counter the “physical” part of your argument if true, even disregarding my argument.

I’ve already counted the “not real” argument already, so i won’t beat a dead horse again.

the tear in space exists before the merge, that is a map of the continent. and it has at least two tears in space according to that map, and each leads to Adolla. this is literally after the last cataclysm and before the current one, also literally stated here. The fact that there are tear(s) in space in the earth which connects adolla to the world, also means they are not separate space-times

The current existence of the space tears isn’t evidence that Adolla and the Fire Force universe share the same space-times because Adolla’s already “linked” with the Fire Force universe even before the merge happens, with it being directly stated so. So the explanation provided by Maitreya holds true given this context, especially when Adolla itself is treated as a separate, higher dimension compared to the Fire Force universe.

Surprisingly you forgot the elephant in the room Shinra took an attack for Juggernaught which knocked him out and he somehow ended up in the Adolla plane with Inca Shinra asked Inca what the Great Cataclysm is or how it will end, she replied that she does not know then, Inca mentioned that his super-light speed thing allows him to see the past, so he should travel back into the past to see what exactly happened during the last great cataclysm. Then she said "You will use your super light speed to fly into the past". Shinra then traveled into the past, Where he saw the world or I should say Tokyo before the Great cataclysm on earth. Also the author also gave us a view of how earth 250 years ago looked like so he was obviously on earth 250 years ago. So shinra time travelled when in the Adolla plane and ended up on earth from 250 years ago, which would not be possible if adolla and earth are in or different spacetimes, since you can obviously travel through their time and both is connected.
So yes this is a disqualifying criteria that meets lots of disqualifying points, Traveling with no portal, time travel e.t.c.

I’ve already addressed this exact argument to an ad nauseam amount of times. I'm not going to address it again, I'll just link the posts which address this exact argument above.

Tldr: Just because Adolla shares the same past as our world doesn't mean Adolla shares the same space-time continuum since Adolla's existence is contingent on mankind's unconscious thoughts and perceptions. If mankind, within a specific point of time (say 250 years ago) perceived earth, and everything on it as x, y and z. Then Adolla, within that same specific time, would contain x, y and z. That's my entire point.

Your own very scan debunks this, it says "sho is stopping time by messing with the heat of the universe hence the expansion of it", So while you can say Adolla contains concepts from the human world which is true, this is gibberish and inflated asf "The world of ideas Adolla encompassing the very conceptual structure of a 4D universe's space-time is completely different than the physical nature of said universe's space-time." Also if adolla does not exist physically, you cannot give it a physical tier hence your tier 2 falls appart.

Maitreya addressed the physical aspect in his post, so i wont here. Also I’ve already addressed the “since Adolla’s non-physical, it means you can’t give it a tier” which is bogus in my opinion, and I’ve explained why in this exact post above.

Check the bolded part again, it says if they are not separate for infinite time, they will be counted as one. So even if Fire force world and Adolla was considered separate, the fact that they are not separate for infinite time means they will be counted as just one. Also unless the merge is happening across all of time it is tier 3, it will be a single moment in time merge. If it was a merge that happened across all of time, then the world of 250 years ago would look manga like, when shinra travelled back which was not so, meaning it is a moment in time merge, and not across the entire space-time continuum, which means not tier 2.

Can you explain in more-depth what “separate for infinite time” actually means?, does it mean that for timelines to be considered separate there needs to be an infinite differential in time between both timelines?, like the actual page itself doesn’t explain this well at all.

Can’t comment on if the merge happened across all of time, idk myself.

I should add, by default you cannot tap/use or tank a tier 2 power while remaining below it, If adolla is tier 2, anyone who uses it becomes tier 2, literally BOS characters also become tier 2. To make it easier to understand if you claim adolla is tier 2, in tier 2 no matter how much you divide tier 2, it will not be below tier 2, even if you divide it infinite times, it will still be tier 2, so there is no such thing as using tier 2 power behind an attack while the attack remains tier 7. Anything powered by adolla becomes tier 2 no matter how small it is. So it is not just those who fully scale to adolla, but those who uses adolla too and those who scales who should become tier 2

No they don’t because they aren’t using the entirely of Adolla, an infinite structure can give out finite power to those who tap into it, it would require a higher preponderance of evidence to assert that just tapping into Adolla means you’re tapping into the entire structure, rather than just a finite sub-sect of it. It’s like saying you’re Tier 2 because you’re able to damage a finite amount of space and time of a Tier 2 structure, it’s actual nonsense.

Everything that I haven't addressed in this post is because either Maitreya addressed it just fine, as in I don't have any new information/arguments to present, or I agree with Pain on them.

Also i'll address that abomination of a bible later, addressing it in this post would've made an already long post even longer when it just isn't needed.

 

[Hasty12345]

I disagree with Pein because he mansplained physics and Dragon Ball ignores everything he said so I don’t see why FF can’t (insert emoji that implies satire)