[FINALS] Asuna Kamakura & Javen vs Laser Frogman and Dr. Hecate [0-0-0]

[SSB64]

Dude, you’re genuinely seeing different things than me. Everyone besides you and Chariot agreed DIO and Clover’s hax combined were too OP to mess with in a tournament setting so they were disqualified, that’s it.

Because nobody was willing to do any further research like what everyone is doing right now for Frogate. Again. Almost anyone who did a proper dive in would know the blatant weaknesses of them which would've ironically lead to Dio + Clover losing in the Finals to Asunaven, so are Asunaven too broken by proxy? Of course not. So neither are Dio + Clover. I can only say who they lose to so many times before I start believing that everyone is genuinely trying to troll me.

It’s not our fault Clover and DIO was an unexpectedly broken combo, and we’re just trying to have a satisfying finals match here.

It's not my fault Hecate and Frogate are a broken combo either, same with Max and Jack Skille, and arguably Asuna and Javen too. Conveniently though, my combo is somehow the only broken one since again, nobody seems to have wanted to bother doing proper research on them.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Because nobody was willing to do any further research like what everyone is doing right now for Frogate. Again. Almost anyone who did a proper dive in would know the blatant weaknesses of them which would've ironically lead to Dio + Clover losing in the Finals to Asunaven, so are Asunaven too broken by proxy? Of course not. So neither are Dio + Clover. I can only say who they lose to so many times before I start believing that everyone is genuinely trying to troll me.

It's not my fault Hecate and Frogate are a broken combo either, same with Max and Jack Skille, and arguably Asuna and Javen too. Conveniently though, my combo is somehow the only broken one since again, nobody seems to have wanted to bother doing proper research on them.

So because they might’ve had a specific counter in Asunaven, that changes the general unfairness of being able to come back for nothing possibly infinite times? The only way to beat Clover is to either knock them out which generally isn’t the best way to end things in a fight like this and hard to do with them being stat stomped by a lot of characters or make them give up which is an unknown variable because we don’t know how long it’d take for them to stop resetting the timeline and arguing it would be annoying. That’s a lot to ask and I don’t know how many teams could reliably do that when DIO is also stopping time and blitzing everyone with his hax. I know Clover and DIO’s abilities pretty well and so does Leo, so I think we have enough research done to make a conclusion. You’re not the creator of this tournament, Leo decides what flies and what’s fair and most of the people in this thread agree with their decision. That’s just how a tournament works. The creator makes the rules and tries to make sure everyone follows them.

Difference is Hecate and Froggy don’t have an instant save me even after I’ve died 100 times button. It’s a clear tip in Clover’s favor in any match with no way to beat it unless you also have something similar or some sort of information analysis to know you need to knock them out.

 

[SSB64]

So because they might’ve had a specific counter in Asunaven, that changes

And Max and Jack beat them, as does Dark Delta, and Cold Destiny beat them too. I can list more characters who could beat Dio + Clover than I could for who beats Frogate. As I've said to Venefica, Frogate don't fall under the "Can be beaten by most characters in the tourney" threshold either.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I do feel like it would've been received way better if Dio was the primary reason they got disqualified and not Clover.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I'm getting to the point now where I'm seriously becoming stressed and paranoid of even trying to have fun and relaxation online because of it

Cute and ironic

Reply to me again after you’ve literally been forced to block all forum notifications

Also literally zero point to continuing this talk besides just trying to give everyone a hard time and piss me off, and dude, you do not wanna go there, trust me

 

[SSB64]

I do feel like it would've been received way better if Dio was the primary reason they got disqualified and not Clover.

Kinda. Even Dio isn't that broken, especially when he's byfar the physically frailest in the tournament, and by Tourney rules, weaker characters get more leeway with Hax (Which quite frankly, Versatility wise, Dio just had that layered NPI based on what Chariot190 said. Not sure if Dio's page actually says this since all I saw was that he had NPI.) Not to mention, with both Hecate and Javen, as well as some characters who beat Clover like Dark Delta having ways to instantly destroy Dio, he isn't all too broken, even with The World layered NPI, especially since sunlight and Sun based attacks are such a massive weakness for Dio given he's, you know.....

Cute and ironic

Reply to me again after you’ve literally been forced to block all forum notifications

Also literally zero point to continuing this talk besides just trying to give everyone a hard time and piss me off, and dude, you do not wanna go there, trust me

Not surprised that you truly lack sympathy about my situation. I wouldn't expect anything less from your true nature. BTW, I literally just did that yesterday, so that idea is mute.

 

[SSB64]

Furthermore, I should explain my thinking process as to the vote pile and why I did it.

It was a mix of multiple factors. Both Be efica and Froggy mentioning their stressful schedules and how Venefica didn't want to continue this thread for much longer, Rayfire and mine's desire for Asunaven to win, and by waiting for Venifica and Froggy to respond, it would've likely resulted in a Frogate STOMP (Given that, as I've mentioned, Asunaven would basically have zero counters), which would satisfy no one since that result would just negate anyone from winning the Tourney medal due to rules (The medal can't be added to profiles if it's a STOMP). So when Rayfire started a voting chain, I saw an opportunity to kill three or four birds with one stone. An Asunaven W that wasn't a STOMP, a lack of a weight on Venefica's, Froggy's, and my backs, and the ability to put the Tourney behind us seeing as it hasn't been the most pleasant one, to say the least, and stopping it then would've allowed us to avoid what's going on right now.

That was my thought process when I casted my vote.

 

[SSB64]

Difference is Hecate and Froggy don’t have an instant save me even after I’ve died 100 times button.

2-3 Second Rewinds accomplish this too, especially since there's 80 Spagmatrons that can also use it at a far more rapid rate than Clover. Not to mention that Frogman can send things back through time so if Clover RESETs, the timeline will be different and render the RESET mostly null.

That, and Max and Dark Delta counter this ability really hard (Max because he can guarantee Clover's death every time, and Dark Delta because Clover's RESETs don't work interdimensionally.

 

[SSB64]

Anyways, if this ridiculousness is to continue, I'm thinking it's gotta go elsewhere. Maybe somewhere on Discord or something so as not to clog up the thread for the fight to continue.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Anyways, if this ridiculousness is to continue, I'm thinking it's gotta go elsewhere. Maybe somewhere on Discord or something so as not to clog up the thread for the fight to continue.

My guy you are not taking this to Discord. Nobody agrees with you here and nobody wants to hear you yap anymore than you already are.