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Hmm, that's an interesting fact. I would prefer context about this though, sorry.
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Final Fantasy XV: "The Power of the Stars"
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They are the deities of Eos, yes, and they are involved in its creation. Though I dunno if that is enough. I find those two quotes from in-game lore.
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https://youtu.be/MWtd8r_2sjw
1:07 Bahamut: The heart of the Crystal, wherein lies the soul of the star.
This at least goes for 4-C EoG Noctis and Ardyn because the former absorbed said power. However, the crystal is said to having been bestowed by the gods... who are thr Astrals.
This is the first quote I found regarding Stars, I may look into it more later. Ifrit can scale due to almost KOing EoG Noctis at the start of their fight, and the rest of the Astrals with him.
1:07 Bahamut: The heart of the Crystal, wherein lies the soul of the star.
This at least goes for 4-C EoG Noctis and Ardyn because the former absorbed said power. However, the crystal is said to having been bestowed by the gods... who are thr Astrals.
This is the first quote I found regarding Stars, I may look into it more later. Ifrit can scale due to almost KOing EoG Noctis at the start of their fight, and the rest of the Astrals with him.
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@Pachi can you find any quotes with clear implications of star level power? Because "Soul of the star" is not an ap statement.
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@Sera that would be greatly appreciated.
@PaChi not really, I've seen quite a few City - Mountain level statements in Pokemon for example. Even some MSS ones, though outliers.
@PaChi not really, I've seen quite a few City - Mountain level statements in Pokemon for example. Even some MSS ones, though outliers.
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Can you post these statements?
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"Blessed stars of life and light, deliver us from darkness blight." is the only one I can remember off the top of my head. It's from when Luna healed that man, she used the power of the gods.
Stars = Gods. That being said, if they are known to have at least created Eos, and are referred to as stars all throughout the game, they should at least be 5-A.
Stars = Gods. That being said, if they are known to have at least created Eos, and are referred to as stars all throughout the game, they should at least be 5-A.
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They'll be 5-A regardless, scaling from Gilgamesh. I still this is the most reliable line:
"In the distant past, Bahamut, the Draconian, descended to the mortal realm and graced the people of Tenebrae. From among them, he handpicked a pious maiden and bestowed upon her the power of the Stars and his trident. Using these gifts for the good of all, she became the first Oracle - she who joins heaven and earth."
"In the distant past, Bahamut, the Draconian, descended to the mortal realm and graced the people of Tenebrae. From among them, he handpicked a pious maiden and bestowed upon her the power of the Stars and his trident. Using these gifts for the good of all, she became the first Oracle - she who joins heaven and earth."
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Even with the most reliable line, it is still rather assuming power of star = star level.
Perhaps, when DLC is out, we should continue this, but for now it should just be "At least 5-A"
Perhaps, when DLC is out, we should continue this, but for now it should just be "At least 5-A"
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I mean, it's very ambigous. It could just be one of those recurring myths were gods bestow fire / light to early humans.
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Couldn't "power of the starS" mean that the astrals are the manifestation of certain constelations?
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I can't really follow your posts due to the grammar.
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Second that
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@SomebodyData
He's a troll who tried to upgrade Batman to "All-Reality level", so I've removed the posts.
The Everlasting is mostly indifferent to this and I'll follow up on any agreed changes since I haven't played the game nor have I seen enough of it to make proper judgments myself.
He's a troll who tried to upgrade Batman to "All-Reality level", so I've removed the posts.
The Everlasting is mostly indifferent to this and I'll follow up on any agreed changes since I haven't played the game nor have I seen enough of it to make proper judgments myself.
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I will like to add onto the fact that Sephiroth was 4-B because of a calc and the fact he legit show that in a named attack. However that is just a example though as I will have to question his 4-B rating in Advent Children on another thread will I do so as I have some problems with that one. Is there any attacks that will remotely show Star level beside the cutscenes and etc, in the game?
Also I find this calc here as well: http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blo...tans-power-and-the-speed-of-royal-arms.36313/
Also I find this calc here as well: http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blo...tans-power-and-the-speed-of-royal-arms.36313/
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It was only because of the calc.
None, that have been showed in this thread at least.
The calc is Country level+...
None, that have been showed in this thread at least.
The calc is Country level+...
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Sephirot is 4-B, Advent Children is not an argument.
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@SD A calc that was using a AP feat from a attack named Supernova shown in-game, but that is getting off topic.
@Matt That was more like a example rather than an arguement at first, but I did admit to question the rating that put Advent Children Sephiroth as 4-B. Then again he did mentioned something about using the planet as a vessel to travel to other planets for a specific purpose or something like that plus the fact that Advent Children take two years after the events of FF7 IIRC.
@Matt That was more like a example rather than an arguement at first, but I did admit to question the rating that put Advent Children Sephiroth as 4-B. Then again he did mentioned something about using the planet as a vessel to travel to other planets for a specific purpose or something like that plus the fact that Advent Children take two years after the events of FF7 IIRC.
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In the same fight against Titan Noctis is worried about falling off a cliff, a Wall/Small Building level feat.PaChi2 said:
And even if it is PIS, that doesn't really mean anything. Fact is, he didn't use his best attacks, therefore Noctis wouldn't scale to him. Superman not going all out against Deathstroke would be considered PIS, but that doesn't mean Deathstroke still gets to scale.
I'm also a bit iffy on the speed calc, as it seems to be purely travel speed.
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Bringing up a low-end is ridiculous. They are meaningless, and should be ignored. Secondly, just because Titan didn't threw a giant rock at him, doesn't mean he doesn't scale. Noctis broke his arm, and bringing up a fighting game trope from Mortal Kombat has no real bearing.
We don't separate Travel and Combat Speed for Verses that don't have a clear distinction between the two.
We don't separate Travel and Combat Speed for Verses that don't have a clear distinction between the two.
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Question, does FFXV not continue the same world that FFVII and XIII take place in? If so, what's to stop Ifrit from scaling to Bahumut's feats from FFVII and the associated games (more particularly, the Dwarf Star/FTL+ business)? I don't see why Bahumut would grow thousands of times weaker between games, unless we were treating FF like Legend of Zelda where each game is detached enough to be considered its own thing in terms of who can do what. I'd argue it's more viable there because each installment in that game tends to start out without very impressive feats (low fantasy, if you will) before getting to what is useful for us, whereas here that's not as much the case.
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Aren't all the Final Fantasy games separate and have no continuity between them other than the occasional references to the other game? Basically that if one of the summons (like Titan) appears extremely powerful in one game, those same feats don't transfer to the other games (because it's more like a different interpretation of the same character).ThePerpetual said:
Well that's how I've always seen it anyway....
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@Nico It is quite difficult to said something like that when Dissida Final Fantasy or to be precise Dissida Final Fantasy 012 is involved though proving it was a multiverse and are therefore connected, but the universes are isolated from one another. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissidia_012_Final_Fantasy
Gilgamesh from FFI has made multiple appearances in other games as previously been mentioned.
Gilgamesh from FFI has made multiple appearances in other games as previously been mentioned.
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I was looking at the FFXV wikia for some information about the astrals and i found this: Said to be physical manifestations of the stars" apparently this is said by Lunafreya but i couldn't find the scene.
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I think that the FFXIII and FFXV games use a similar mythology, called Fabula Nova Chrysalis, but do not occurr in the same world.
It is probably safest to mostly scale each game to itself in any case. Despite the massive power differences between the games, the characters were treated as equal in Dissidia.
It is probably safest to mostly scale each game to itself in any case. Despite the massive power differences between the games, the characters were treated as equal in Dissidia.
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FFXV was originally going to be part of the FFXIII timeline, but it was later scrapped and moved to a separate title on its own.
So yes, it's safest to keep scaling within each individual game since there's no major continuity between the main series games with the exception of a handful of sequels for certain games (i.e. FFX and FFX-2).
FFXV was originally going to be part of the FFXIII timeline, but it was later scrapped and moved to a separate title on its own.
So yes, it's safest to keep scaling within each individual game since there's no major continuity between the main series games with the exception of a handful of sequels for certain games (i.e. FFX and FFX-2).
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Each Final Fantasy game (Minus FFVII, which is a very distant sequel to FFX) takes place in its own universe. Scaling across the games like that is a pretty bad idea.ThePerpetual said:
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It's sort of implied, since a little boy named Shinra is an aspiring engineer and shares his name with the Electric Company that takes over the Planet by the events of Final Fantasy VII. However, there's no direct correlation and no enemies from FFX appear in FVII or vice versa, so it's only a nod if anything else.
It's sort of implied, since a little boy named Shinra is an aspiring engineer and shares his name with the Electric Company that takes over the Planet by the events of Final Fantasy VII. However, there's no direct correlation and no enemies from FFX appear in FVII or vice versa, so it's only a nod if anything else.
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Well, I think it was stated in the Ultimania that Shinra would go on to found the Electric Power Company, but FFVII also takes place in the far future of FFX and on a different planet, so it's ultimately nothing more than some continuity nods.
But hey, the more you know.
Well, I think it was stated in the Ultimania that Shinra would go on to found the Electric Power Company, but FFVII also takes place in the far future of FFX and on a different planet, so it's ultimately nothing more than some continuity nods.
But hey, the more you know.
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No, it does. If Titan isn't using what he is fully capable of he does not scale. The frozen arm thing isn't just "a trope from Mortal Kombat" it's a near-universal thing in fiction (and possibly real-life, I'm not sure) that freezing something makes it much easier to break.Matthew Schroeder said:
Plus, you're ignoring the bit where they sate that Noctis only matches and exceeds the Astral's power at the very very end of the game, and he quite literally dies from that.
Also, I'm separating Travel and Combat Speed simply because there are no Combat Speed feats to back up Massively Hypersonic. Cloud to ground lightning is portrayed as completely instant to you, and the best feat I know of is bullet-timing.
Even the bullet-timing isn't true bullet-timing though, as you aren't physically fast enough to dodge them. You have to teleport away from the bullets instead.
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